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cravin morehead

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hey Galactic, thanks a ton for your compliment! glad to have you here. to answer your question, i added nothing to jump start my 'bennies'. they are everywhere around us, in the air. they multiply slowly, and cannot take hold with out a good enviornment for them to proliferate. so all i'm doing is giving them 'ideal' conditions to take hold of and multiply. my res has 2 small fans mounted on the lid. one pulls air out of the res, the other blows air directly at the waterfall return line. this gives the bennies an easy way in. then they find the lava rocks in the net cups, where oxygen and circulating water give them 'ideal' places to colonize. they live and multiply there covering the entire root zone. this action forms a protection system against bacerial disease. Bacillus Subtilis GB03 is a Beneficial Bacterium with activity against water-borne fungal root pathogens which are keeping the 'bad guys' at bay. BigToke has already explained this best:

Put back into your plant-production system a set of organisms that will work for you, instead of against you.
  • Most people have the attitude that microbes are all harmful, but in fact, most organisms in soil or in solution are beneficial for plant growth. Modern agriculture developed the view that all disease-causing and pest organisms need to be killed, and so the kill-everything-but-the-plant attitude came about. Unaware that healthy soil or solution in fact should contain more beneficial bacterium, and so a program to wipe out life in soil and solution was initiated. But more and more toxic chemicals have had to be used as the diseases and pests develop resistance with the ever-increasing use of killing agents.
  • Why don’t the beneficial organisms develop resistance to the toxic chemicals being used? Because almost by definition, disease organisms and pests have a boom-and-bust life cycle, so when one pest organism survives the chemical onslaught, hundreds, or thousands, or billions of offspring are produced. Beneficial organisms rarely employ that kind of growth strategy, but instead reproduce only a few times a year, with perhaps only a few offspring produced each time. Thus, when you use toxic chemicals to control diseases, but in fact kill most of the beneficial organisms in the soil or solution, it takes a long time for the beneficials to return. Thus the likelihood that they will develop resistance is significantly less than that for any disease or pest organism.
  • Modern agriculture has set the stage for non-stop, never-ending reliance on chemicals. That’s great if you want to sell chemicals, not so great if you need to have drinkable water.
  • Do we have to go this route? What we need in production agriculture is to help the beneficials more than the diseases and pests. We need to tip the balance in favor of the good guys. What conditions favor the good guys? Do we really need to know all the names of all the organisms in soil or solution, or do we just need to know which conditions favor the beneficials and which favor the diseases?
and here:


Good Guys, Bad Guys
  • Consider that when the bad guys find a plant, they use nutrients that the plant already immobilized. How ya like them apples!!!
  • Growing in a Recirculating DWC Bio-Bucket System of Hydroponics, the pathogens do not function to hold significant nutrients, because the good-guy bacterium compete with disease-causers, and prevent diseases and pests from being able to find or infect roots. The beneficial bacterium immobilizes a great deal of nutrients in their biomass, so that N, P, K, etc. Predators, such as fusarlum, pythium, rhizoctonia, phytopthera, sclerotinla; etc. feeds on dead pieces of root mass, pests and disease-causing organisms well inhibits the plants uptake of mobile nutrients. If the beneficial bacterium is properly managed (given a place to live) then they well aid in mobility of nutrients in the solution such as nitrogen (N) and potassium (K) should remain in the root zone to benefit the crop and yield. The beneficial bacterium keeps your solutions free from disease-causing organisms, thus creating a better echo-water environment, making nutrients more readily available for the plant mainly in the root zone.
  • Soils and solutions are supposed to abound with numerous organisms. Each individual beneficial bacterium is so small that it takes a powerful microscope to see them. But while the bacterium are extremely small, they make up in numbers what they lack in size. There are more individual beneficial bacterium in a teaspoon of healthy mountain spring, or a drop of healthy ran water than there are people in New York City. The beneficial species of bacteria protect plant roots and shoots from disease organisms, keeping nutrients in the root zone clean and healthy thus preventing leaching, making more mobile nutrients available to plants at the rates plants require.
  • Lack of oxygen allows anaerobic organisms to grow. Some anaerobic organisms produce some of the most phytotoxic materials we know about—alcohol, phenols, terpenes, tannins. But even beyond that, when anaerobic conditions occur, nitrogen is lost as ammonia, and sulfur is lost as hydrogen sulfide, which smells like rotten eggs. Your nose will tell you when anaerobic conditions have developed to a major level. Vinegar, sour milk, vomit and decaying flesh smells are other indicators that anaerobic conditions have occurred. The pH of the medium will be lowered by production of these organic acids. Fertility is reduced, the normal denizens of the root system cannot tolerate anaerobic conditions, and they go to sleep, giving the disease-causing organisms carte blanche in the root system. With no one to compete with them, the diseases take over.
  • Maintaining aerobic conditions is critical for the growth of plants. Loss of oxygen means N, P, K, etc., are lost. Toxic chemicals are produced. We need to help beneficial biology survive, grow and out compete diseases and pests in hydroponic solutions.
  • Just like the human body, plants depend on microbes to keep the proper balance of nutrients available for uptake. Beneficial organisms protect us against common diseases, just as the right organisms protect plant surfaces. An imbalance in your diet or in your hormones can change the conditions on your skin and your digestive system with ulcers, acne, ringworm or cancer as possible outcomes. The presence of the wrong set of microbes, and conditions that allow them to out-compete their normal opposition, can cause enormous economic loss.
  • We can try to kill all the diseases and pests, but we also kill the very organisms needed to protect against those diseases and pests. The bad guys come back faster than the good guys because of the very nature of the pathogen lifestyle. And once we’ve killed nearly everything in the soil or in solution, sterility is very difficult to maintain. Because of diseases that find ways to disperse into places that allow their growth and development. Maintenance of sterile conditions is a nightmare, requiring ever more toxic, more dangerous and expensive chemical use.
Thanks to BigToke for making all this information available to those who want to know...

so , i hope this has helped to answer your questions about the 'Bio" side of RDWC systems. the 2 stickies by BigToke at the top of the hydro section, contain tons of knowledge for all hydro growers. bio or not...

update, my girls are taking in nutes rapidly. 500ppm nute solution yesterday is now at 350ppm. only took 16 hours for that.

thats all for now, keep the comments and questions coming, can get a little lonely here. i know, its not exactly the newest, coolest from of hydro out now. however, i feel, it is by far the best. and many, many hydro growers could use the knowledge found in these systems...

thanks,

cm
 
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Galactic

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Maintenance of sterile conditions is a nightmare, requiring ever more toxic, more dangerous and expensive chemical use.

Extremely appreciated that you cut the BigToke info in. Quite powerful knowledge.

The above quote is where I recently was until the past year. Bottle after bottle, chem after chem. Floramite, Avid, Forbid, Eagle20, bleach, Physan...

It was "kill everything except the plant". And it simply just doesn't work in the grand scheme of what is natural for the present, past, and future anymore.

I see glamour and beauty when something "works" not when a system has all the bells and whistles. I've learned that we have a job, and the plants have a job. We can't cross the line of "providing the correct environment" and force any growth just like the plant can't force us to do our job. I've overextended on the product use instead of empowering conditions/plants to perform their natural abilities.

Definitely be tagging along here brother. Appreciate the clarity :yes:
 

RM - aquagrower

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once again, just topped up nutes twice. keeping it at 1.0ec as best i can. one thing is for sure, bio-buckets really let me just concentrate my time on the girls, and not on the res.

This is what I miss 'bout my old system. Practically runs itself. I'm currently handwatering 2x daily.

Plants are looking great. K+
 

cravin morehead

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hey guys... just thought i'd drop by to see whats up... saw i had some responses, so...

Galactic- i agree. very solid info is all laid for those who care to know, by BigToke. his works and writings had a big affect on how i now run my hydro systems. i too, used to try to kill off everything in the res, only to think that there had to be a better way. even worse, i used to throw all kinds of unneccessary products in my res too. just wish i read his stuff 12 years earlier, hahaha! anyhow, i'm real glad to have you along for the ride. feel free to post anything you'd like to contribute (pics, links,etc..)

RM-i remember those 2x-3x a day waterings. i agree, almost 'set-it and forget-it' style. its a great system for when i'm busy. just got to remember to spend more time on the canopy, bio really speeds up the girls growth processes. and thanks alot for the compliment. but, truthfully, i feel its mostly because of the genetics and the bio-system, more than my skill. i think it just took the time to go full circle and go back to 'simple' techniques and products and research... seems to me alot can be accelerated, if one just slows down enough to think.

Krypt buddy- hows your outdoor going? really looking forward to that. you're going to have a ton of bud this year!

Moar Pics!!!!
you got it:

heres the main stalk on my fave, middle left. i put the snips in the shot for a size comparison. if you look closely, you can see colonies of 'bennies' growing on the lava rock.

a little more root porn. same girl, same pearl white love...


and my best attempts at macro photography...

hope you guys are enjoying the ride. i know, i'm glad to have you all here. until next time, have fun,

cm
 
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petemoss

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Looks very nice, CM! I love that first shot, "overall shot of the tent", with the tight node spacing. You won't have any height problems this time!
 

RM - aquagrower

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i feel its mostly because of the genetics and the bio-system, more than my skill. i think it just took the time to go full circle and go back to 'simple' techniques and products and research...

Don't sell yourself short. As ya noted, it is a skill in and of itself to know when to NOT fuck with something.

Used to tell new guys back at OG that, IMO, the biggest mistake new growers make is that they love their plants too much. Always fucking with them and looking for the next great snake oil.

See, even though we call ourselves "growers", we don't actually grow the plants. We simply provide them an environment in which to thrive. They grow themselves.

Good genetics + good environment = great product

From where I'm sitting, you're doing a great job.
 
Just waiting on the weather to heat up brother, got 200 Royal Queen northern lights automatics going out 3rd week of may!
Got the seeds just last week... its a funny sight to see!!
Went out to the site to do some prep.. alot of work.. alot of dirt..

Your plants look great brother! Toke himself would be proud! im moveing from my house this month and it kills me to have to put all my grow gear into storage :(
I'll be back though, with a green vengance with some Bio Dreams!
 

cravin morehead

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Must spread rep around....

hey thanks guys!

petemoss- thanks alot and i think you're right. height should not really be an issue this round. glad to have you around.

RM- i'm with you, quickest way to kill a plant, over love it...
Good genetics + good environment = great product
i totally agree... and thanks for the compliment, really...

Krypt- be sure to let me know when it all goes down, i can't wait to see... i bet it was a sight to see... also can't wait to see your next bio run too, going to be awesome for you!! thanks for the compliment too bro, really does mean alot.

i'll be back this weekend with some more pics and an update...
truthfully, thanks for the compliments guys, really does make me feel good to hear from you guys.

thanks again, see you soon,

cm
 

Caucasion

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CM Wow! Awesome work:) I can not tell you how helpful your thread is as I am in the process of setting up a 4x4 tent for a seasonal Colorado grow at the cabin and have totally decided to build a bio-bucket system simply for the simplicity. I have 2 big questions:

#1.) You have six buckets in that 4x4 tent, in your opinion is there room for anymore? I would love to get nine in there but don't want to crowd...

#2.) What method did you use to attach the drain pipes to the bucket? I am considering grommets, ebb n flo fittings. any thoughts?

Did you run your h2o/nute lines through your drain lines? What did you use for a res? I love how clean your build looks did you follow anyone's lead on the design or just take the bull by the horns? How big is your pump?

Okay a lot more than two ?s...Sorry Lol!

Thanks
 

cravin morehead

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hey guys update time. everything has been going pretty smooth this week. just topping off the res back to 1.0ec 3 times a week. i did have a small leak problem. seems the roots in one bucket had grown into the drain line. they had made it all the way to the reservoir, almost 9' feet of 2" piping away. the roots were slowing up the draining of that bucket enough to where it dripped from the non-glued fitting where the bucket line meets the main drain line. not a big flood, just enough to see it was wet on 1/4 of the floor. just eased the roots out of the drain lines, and all was well. so, from now on, i will be clearing the roots every time i top up the nutes. other than that, business as usual.

heres a shot for you:
the girls are staying nice and squat, this time around.

hey Caucasion- thanks alot for the compliment. i think you will really enjoy the bio-buckets, i sure do. lets see about answering your questions:
1- i don't think it would be worth it to try and squeeze more buckets in the tent. my tent is 4'x4', my bucket arraingment equals 3'x3'. giving only 6" of clearance around the perimeter of the buckets. with negative pressure, the sides of the tent get sucked all the way in to fill in that 6" gap. if you look close at the above pic, you can see the plant at the left front is getting crowded by the tent material itself. plus, the yield from a 1k light and 6 buckets is quite alot for a 4'x4' tent, i personally don't need to try and push it too hard.

2a- i used 1 1/2" hose connector fittings:

as you can see in the first pic, i tightened them down enought to flatten the bucket a little and create a water-tight seal. these fittings worked out great coupled to the flexible pvc pipe i used for drain lines. i buy almost all my parts here:
http://www.aquaticeco.com/
as far as other methods, i can't help you out, this is what i tried first, and it all worked with no leaks at all.

2b-no, my feed lines are run seperate from my drains. i did not want anything slowing the drain process. and as i stated earlier, even the roots slowed it enough to create a small leak.

2c- i used a 96 quart ice chest/cooler for a reservoir witha float valve attached.

2d- thanks for the build compliment. the only source for info i got was BigTokes stickies at the top of this hydro section. read them, all the way through. after learning what it takes to create a bio system his way, i took the ball and ran with it in my way. but i did stick to the 'rules' outlined by BigToke.

2e- my pump is a 1800 gallon per hour mag drive. it is plumbed with 3/4" pvc to each bucket with a 1/2" valve at each bucket. my total system holds about 40 gallons. so the pump turns over the enitre water system about 1.3 times per minute. i started with a smaller pump, which was ok, but a little too close for my liking. it took a crap on me early on, and i switched it out to this one. i also use a samll pump to run water through my chiller, at the resevoir.

good 2 questions Caucasion (hahaha). if i can help you design your system in any way, feel free to ask. heres a link to my tent build and first run in it:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235765
also, go look through my albums for alot more details on the whole build:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=36415

too many pics for 1 post, so, to be continued...
 

cravin morehead

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now, heres some more current pics for you guys:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=44201&pictureid=1057232 more root porn, still as healthy as can be.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=44201&pictureid=1057231 colas are starting to fill in nicely
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=44201&pictureid=1057233 buds are stacking nice and tight. not too easy to see, but trich's are everywhere, on fan leaves too.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=44201&pictureid=1057234 nice little early cola. just for good measure.
so there we go, all these pics were from yesterday, 4/20, day 29 of flower. keeping nutes at 1.0ec/500ppm as best as i can.
hope you guys are having a great 4/20 weekend and are enjoying the ride on this thread...


cm
 

paperchaser825

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Edit: Found what I was looking for. This design is kickass. Considering doing this for my next run if I have enough to convert. Currently running a RDWC system that just isn't cutting it as far as nutrient circulation. Thanks for posting all this!
 

cravin morehead

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hey paperchaser- i'm glad you found this thread helpful to you. if you need any assistance, advice, etc... let me know. i love to see others find out about these bio-buckets. just stick to the main points of the system BigToke laid out, and you will be growing some seriously healthy plants with very little maintenance.

good luck,

cm
 

cravin morehead

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hey guys- day 36 update time.

no problems to speak of at all this week. topped up nutes 3 times to 500ppm/1.0ec. i checked ph for the first time this run, it was at 6.0 exactly. i checked it on wednesday before topping up nutes. so far, so good. now when i open up the tent, i get hit with some type of tropical fruit, sweet scent. i really like the odor. buds are packing on the weight. i can see 2 distinct bud expressions. interesting because they are all cuts from the same mother. there are 2 or 3 rounded top, kinda multi-spikey type bud tops. the rest are more of a pointed top. i think the multi-spikey ones are suffering a little from being in the 'hotspot' from the light. i'm not worried about it, just looks kinda cool, i think. sorry i'm not better at describing smells. all i know is, they smell delicious!
enough talk, heres the pics for this week:

this is one of the rounded ,multi-spikey
top ones. cool looking

sorry about the color, but this is where i split the stalk a little from over tying her limb. healed up nice...

an overall shot. canopy is not as level as i would like, but good enough...

and the required root porn, all healthy and white.

and a bud close-up shot.

thats about it for this week. pretty uneventful week in the tent, this week. buds are stacking and packing noticeably by the day. i can't wait to taste them!! gotta go get ready to watch ufc at a buddies house tonight. have good week buds, talk to you guys soon,

cm
 

Galactic

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Shit is killer, cravinmore! This is one of the smoothest runs I've seen in a while man, well honed skils!

Your judgement on the "hotspot" seems spot on. That first pic I can see slight cupping and I'm sure the humidity is already in check, but that possible "microclimate" there.

This threads a shining example of what plants can do, simply being given the proper elements for them to express, grow, heal on its own. Nice job.
 

cravin morehead

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must spread rep around....

galatic- thanks a bunch man! i've been growing for about 22+ years and about 12 years indoor, i think it took me about that long to realize to keep things simple. and that enviornment is incredibly important. bio-buckets have surely changed my perspective on alot of things. thanks for keeping up on my little personal grow here, hope you are enjoying the ride. we're not too far from harvesting, just a couple more weeks. fingers crossed...

thanks again bro,

cm
 

letsgrowagarden

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Looks great! I thought bio buckets had become extinct after I noticed BigToke's information was mostly from 2005-2006. It's great to see that they're still alive.

I'm in my first grow with my bio bucket setup and I couldn't be happier.
 

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