Court Rules that TrueCrypt user cannot be compelled to decrypt hard drive

[Molson]

Found this this morning on another website. Thought this might be of interest to some (...36 pages of reading).

http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/201112268.pdf

One important note I read though... the "foregone conclusion" doctrine... if the defendant admits to having incriminating evidence on the disk, then he may be compelled to decrypt it.

Quote from the PDF...

We hold that the act of Doe's decryption and production of the contents of the hard drive would sufficiently implicate the Fifth Amendment privilege. We reach this holding by concluding that (1) Doe's decryption and production of the contents of the drives would be testimonial, not merely a physical act; and (2) the explicit and implicit factual communications associated with the decryption and production are not foregone conclusions.

 

[rocket high]

Don't admit it then ...Easy

I wonder if the UK govt could make me decrypt my Truecrypt file ...HHmmm

 

[supermanlives]

good to know

 

[wilbur]

understand it's contempt of court here in Oz if you won't open yr truecrypt file for the police.

so store yr pics on an outside drive. use fileshredder to clean deleted files.

cheers!

 

[Manstien]

aw ya

 

[White-rhino]

Love True Crypt! Wouldn't NOT have it installed on any computer in the house.

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

I am a dumb idiot and dont know what true crypt is, can someone explain?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yea me too...been wanting to get truecrypty.....but i tried installing it and its like reading chinese. is there a walkthrough or just a simple description of how it works...


it sounds like you create some icon on your desktop that is kind of like a folder, except its encrypted? and you just drag all your incriminating pictures and shit into that?

im familiar with TOR....in how its a seperate program that you run instead of your brower....what does truecrypt protect exactly just pictures and stuff? i already delete all my cookies and history and my browser doesnt save log ins, pms are deleted...what should i be worried about?

thanks in advance..

 

[CaptainTrips]

True Crypt is software encryption, you can encrypt files or your entire hard drive. Basically nobody can see your data unless you provide them your passkey, unless you chose 1234 as your password... Lol

 

[SOTF420]

Not sure what you need to hide really other than some pictures of Cannabis plants, there are thousands of them around here they are not in short supply.

You would also need to make sure all your data storage devices like memory cards and camera's were clean also, and you did not have real Cannabis plants either

I don't see the need for these programs, unless you are into some heavy shit and in that case it's gonna take alot more than some encryption program to save your ass if they get up it. Stay safe, and don't do illegal things (unless it's Cannabis related!)

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

Stay safe, and don't do illegal things (unless it's Cannabis related!)

oh, didn't know ic had hired morality police.

 

[SOTF420]

Right, well now you know.

Just some friendly sound advice brother, that's all.
Do as you wish and reap what you sow, all good

I might also take another moment out of my time to point out there is a huge difference between "morality" & law...completely different things but you knew that I'm sure. Much love.

 

[wilbur]

yep. reap as you sow! subtle natural non-moral law, that one.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yea i agree with sotf420 what exactly do we need to hid?

my main security concerns are with the hundreds of pictures of cannabis on my computer...so obviously i would like to encrypt those. i was thinking of keeping all pictures on a password protected harddrive, and just hide the harddrive amongst a bunch of crap in my desk...

if you are into serious criminal shit like hacking credit cards or selling pedo prons or hiding sensitive information then i can see how this is relevant..


my other main concern is "them" finding out my ICmag password and hacking into my PMs,,but i delete them daily and there is no database for their storage...sooo?

 

[vonforne]

Encrypt everything..........it is none of nobody´s f****** business what we do. What ever that maybe. I don´t care if it Roses. Or illegal in their eyes.................encrypt it!

It is only for your eyes and it is your right to privacy.

V

 

[johnnybravo]

http://volokh.com/2012/02/23/eleven...rimination-not-to-decrypt-encyrpted-computer/

 

[Molson]

I don't see the need for these programs, unless you are into some heavy shit and in that case it's gonna take alot more than some encryption program to save your ass if they get up it.

I agree... but you never know. Anything that adds a layer of "sophistication" to the/a grow will not help your case if, god forbid, you get busted and are facing time. The less evidence, the better.

Fun fact (lol, but not really): The case I linked to... the guy had terabytes of child porn on there, supposedly... which makes him a scumbag.... but qualifies as some "heavy shit." Had he handed over the passkey... that would've incriminated him. Sealed his fate for sure basically.

Bottom line: Anything that points toward sophistication will not help your case, if you get caught.

 

[Madjag]

NSA

NSA

NSA = Never Say Anything.

You are so right. Never say anything, especially if the LEO set you up verbally with something like,"You were going to sell this stuff to the teenagers in the neighborhood, weren't you/"

Your first response is to say "no" or perhaps say "I would never sell to kids". Tricky situations require peace and quiet.

Found this this morning on another website. Thought this might be of interest to some (...36 pages of reading).

http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/201112268.pdf

One important note I read though... the "foregone conclusion" doctrine... if the defendant admits to having incriminating evidence on the disk, then he may be compelled to decrypt it.

Quote from the PDF...

 

[Mukind]

When they ask you if you were going to sell to kids.....

Say nothing.

Except maybe, "I want a lawyer"

But if you don't have one on retainer no real point in saying that :shrug:

 

[ScrubNinja]

Encrypt everything..........it is none of nobody´s f****** business what we do. What ever that maybe. I don´t care if it Roses. Or illegal in their eyes.................encrypt it!

It is only for your eyes and it is your right to privacy.

V

Indeed. Make it hard for them. Everyone has a right to privacy and they should enforce it if it's an issue. Yes4Prop, you pretty much nailed it. There are different levels and approaches in computer security. Everyone has a different take on it, right up to the extreme tin foil hatters. Realistically speaking, they're probably more likely to find the plants in your bedroom before they find pics on your computer of said plants.I do pay attention to the tinfoil guys though, despite being somewhat casual, and having nothing much beyond icmag to hide. Tinfoilers may be paranoid, but that's a really good trait when it comes to security. One of those guys would point out that the pics you view from a memory card are probably going to be cached on the computers drive. Your operating system will probably create & store thumbnails too, amongst other things. So in that regard, the memory stick is not helping much. It just depends on your level of paranoia really.I would put Tails on that usb stick as well and boot from that, if you were concerned.