cotton roots - evidence of harm?

[Mindovermatter]

Sproutco: here comes alot of questions hope you can bear it.

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What about grow rates? How much does 0.4" a day sound like?

How often should I hand water?

Should I get another ph down than ghe ph- like your sticky suggests battery acid (which is forbidden in my country) cause it fluctuates alot?

Any other things you can think of other than lightproofing?

 

[sproutco]

I think you should bump up your nutes to 700 ppm. That ought to cure any deficiency, don't you think? Did you see that handy chart by mynamestitch that gives you a range of ppm's to be in? Plants can grow about 2" a day if things are right. Spray paint the outside of the buckets or containers. Don't spray the plants unless its green paint. Lol.

 

[sproutco]

Am I wrong?

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[Mindovermatter]

lol dude

Yes you are right 1 of them may suffer from zinc although I dunno. This plant is 3 weeks older than the other three which has catched up to it almost in length. This one was a trifoliate from a group of 4 which I dunno but something wrong. Its the one with dark green top and very clustered and compact has suffered from poor growth but many many leaves but small of course. It also has leaves which point at weird angles if you understand what I mean.

I raised the ppm like you said, but there are yet hardly any roots in the water - only the mist get as water beads on the coco you see. Is this too wet or what? Will the plants be able to absorb the nutes arent they only in the water because they are heavy and the mist is without nutes? This is the point.

I suffer from constant ph fluctuations. How does these el-cheapo filters on ebay for drinking water for like $30 sound? And where the can you order battery acids abroad?

 

[sproutco]

Am I wrong?

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See what I see?


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[Mindovermatter]

haha pink floyd you want to talk subtleties of music now? haha

I already said yes it had but not anymore I think the new roots are sucking some and also I handwatered and now dont see any of that. So I think I had it but it got solved anyway we'll see what happens. First thing tomorow is the spray...mf'ing IKEA.

Oh shit your right its growth curve does not look good!! Alright I'll give them some vitamines I have hmm this is it:

Hmm ass! it dosent have a quantative description. argh

 

[sproutco]

Zinc deficiencies on some plants will have the Spotting and bleached spots (chlorosis) between the veins first appears on the older leaves first, and then goes on to the immature leaves. It will then start to slowly affect tips of growing points of the plants. When the zinc deficiency happens so suddenly, the spotting can appear to be the same symptoms to that of an iron and manganese, without the seeing the little leaf symptom.
Zinc is not mobile in plants so the symptoms will occur mainly in the newer growths. Having a plant that is deficiency in Zinc can cause small crops, short shoots and have a cluster of small distorted leaves near the tips. Between the veins (Interveinal) yellowing is often combined with overall paleness. Pale or grayish, yellowing between the veins; rosetted weak is the signs of a Zinc deficiency.
With a low level of zinc in your plants, your yields will be dramatically reduced.
Interveinal chlorosis is present in the small, narrow distorted leaves at the ends of really shortened shoots and the shortening between internodes. Leaf margins are often distorted or wrinkled. These nutrients will get locked out due to high pH: Zinc, Iron, and Manganese. These deficiencies will often occur together. Parts affected by a zinc deficiency are young leaves and petioles.

Zinc is a little more mobile than manganese and iron. You can see some deficiency closer down on the plant sometimes than just terminal growth. It would not surprise me if this was zn deficiency. Mj loves zn.

 

[Mindovermatter]

LOL
your great

 

[sproutco]

Compare to corn so you can see. Click on them to enlarge



Does your plant really look like this?

Time for a beer. :friends:

 

[Mindovermatter]

Sproutco: yes 1 of my plants had it slightly before but as I said it is no more. Also, according to some data necrosis is the only visible of zinc defiency?

yes these fuckers give me head-ache all day long. and my buddy dont help nor does he agree with any new information or changes I tell him we have to do. Its so frustruating.

 

[sproutco]

Are they really wavy like that? Here I am 2000 miles away from you. I can only see your crappy photos from far off. Everything close you've taken has been blurry. We got to cure these plants soon. Seems like you've been in the cannabis infirmary for weeks. 3 threads in here. I told you this whole hydro thing sucks and you should do a soilless mix grow. Transplant them into 1/2 peatmoss + 1/2 perlite + 1 1/3 tablespoon dolomite lime + 3/4 teaspoon powdered gypsum per gallon of soil. Hitem with some npk and micros and goodbye problems.

 

[Mindovermatter]

YES THEY ARE WAVY!

 

[sproutco]

Sproutco: I dont have wavy leafs ...

 

[Mindovermatter]

YES THEY ARE WAVY BUT NOT ON THE ONE YOU THINK BUT ITS THE ONE IN THE RIGHT BACK.

That plant is 3 weeks older than the rest of them, the one with the heaviest pythium and it suffers the most from lack of all nutes and oxygen but is improving anyway.

 

[Mindovermatter]

why does the hydro thing suck? I must learn hydro its the only way for my limited space I dont want to get 1/2 oz a week I want the full oz, at least.

 

[sproutco]

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2 birds with one stone then. Get some zineb fungicide and spray the plants foliage. This will kill fungus (I know there is some on there lol. That "snot") on the leaves and give the plants a zinc boost.







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[Mindovermatter]

OK and this will solve all my problems now or I have to sit behind this goddamn computer with this hard chair up my ass 8h a day to get this working.

Google zineb on the language and there were no hits, but if its really important I can order from ebay but they take shipping fees.

 

[sproutco]

Are they really wavy like that corn? Your sure? Go look again.

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adj. wish·y-wash·i·er, wish·y-wash·i·est Informal
1. Thin and watery, as tea or soup; insipid.
2. Lacking in strength of character or purpose; ineffective

 

[Mindovermatter]

Yes the older one is screwed. It also has new leafs growing at weird angles like and turning sideways and up and down and so. Not exactly like the corn but yes perhaps some similarity I see what you mean. So what does all this mean?

 

[sproutco]

This means that your roots are too cold or ph is too high maybe. Reduced root growth. Hopefully your ferts contain enough zinc. Too low a fert rate. You increase them to 700 ppm's right? Too much phosphorus. Too much calcium, magnesium, copper, iron, manganese... Does the water you start adding the ferts to have alot of ppm's? Doesn't it have 100 ppm's of something to start if I remember correctly? Could be a earth element like calcium or magnesium. Thats alot of something. Your project should use r/o reverse osmosis water or distilled water. Try that and see what results you get.

Get a bag of zinc sulfate and mix up 50 ppm zinc. zn 22%. 50ppm x .22 inverse (1 divided by .22) = 227 mg zinc sulfate per liter of water. 864 mg zinc sulfate per gallon of water. Spray the plants. Maybe you can find a teaspoon rate on the internet instead of weighing the stuff on a gram scale. Call around to garden centers and ask about zinc for your pecan trees.