correct answers for drug evaluation

[ManicOrganic]

Ok so long story short. I was busted with a small amount of marijuana and DMT. (35 grams of nugs and 4 grams of DMT). I got 2 years probation and have to do a "drug evaluation". My PO already said he does not care if I do classes or not as long as I keep up with clean UA's and get the drug evaluation as per the court order. The problem is that I have NEVER seen anyone that did an evaluation and not been told the have a drug addiction and need to go to drug rehab classes. (why would they? its a money game and they charge 100's of $ for class I go to) My question is this: Is there a right way to answer their questions to make them believe I do not need "drug rehab" for these non addictive non harmful "drugs"? I know of course that it is all up to the person doing the evaluation and if they are some kind of zealot that think that anything the government had declared illegal is an awful drug and anyone who has tried it once in their life is an addict, im screwed. Any of you "drug addict" marijuana smokers out there know how I can get threw this without going threw all this BS? I mean damn I had to quit smoking, isn't that punishment enough?

thx Manic

 

[mowood3479]

yes... there are certain criteria you must meet to be recommended for treatment. specific criteria for inpatient vs outpatient etc... of course whether or not you meet theses criteria is rather subjective.
I would be confident in several facts... 1.that you no longer use any drugs or alcohol.
2. That you havent since your arrest, that it was a wake up call, and you find the whole drug scene to be truly unattractive.
3. That you drug history was short... i.e. (ive only smoked mayb 5x, only at concerts) the dmt was my brothers, gf, whatever, who was on probation so i took the charge for him/her. otherwise he wouldve gone to prison. mayb even admit (in a moment of total honesty) that u had planned in trying your first "trip" that night at a show u were going to.
4. your friends/family do not do drugs and are supportive of you not doing drugs. you dont hang with people that do drugs/booze

remember none of this will work if youve got dreads down to ur ass... look the part, be the part. image is 95% of the battle. be well groomed and well dressed and well spoken.
you will walk out of there with a recommendation for no treatment.
they will ask u alot of ?s.... make sure your answers are consistent. remember being a broken record doesnt mean your a drug addict. dont elaborate on things a whole hell of alot. stick to your basic story and leave it at that.
good luck

 

[mowood3479]

double post

 

[mowood3479]

btw... u will want to match ur thinking to the counselors.. who is probably a 12stepper or has at least been taught that model. there are no non addictive non harmful drugs... they are all addicitve and are all harmful. if u say some shit like that you'll get fucked for sure.
oh also, dont smell of cig smoke... have a f/t job (or at least say u do)... it would b good to be going to school as well. be a very busy and productive, clean cut church going member of society.

if u really want to educate ur self on the clinical criteria for addiction... go find a dsm IV book at a college library (diagnostic statistical manual of mental disorders) and read the part on addiction and alcoholism.

good luck, people have pulled of bigger hustles before.. ive seen everyday heroin addicts pass a drug eval... so its doable.

 

[mowood3479]

here is a snippet from the dsm i found online
There is evidence that genetic factors play a role in both dependence and abuse. Other theories involve the use of substances as a means to cover up or get relief from other problems (e.g., psychosis, relationship issues, stress), which makes the dependence or abuse more of a symptom than a disorder in itself.
Symptoms
A pattern of substance use leading to significant impairment in functioning. One of the following must be present within a 12 month period: (1) recurrent use resulting in a failure to fulfill major obligations at work, school, or home; (2) recurrent use in situations which are physically hazardous (e.g., driving while intoxicated); (3) legal problems resulting from recurrent use; or (4) continued use despite significant social or interpersonal problems caused by the substance use. The symptoms do not meet the criteria for substance dependence as abuse is a part of this disorder.
Treatment
Research suggests that no treatment method is superior, but that social support is very important. An openness to accept the abuse is also paramount in successfully treating the illness. Organizations such as AA and NA have had better than average success in reducing relapse.



Prognosis

Variable. Both substance abuse and dependence is difficult to treat and often involves a cycle of abstinence from the substance and substance use.

 

[budbasket]

Basically your right, it is a money game, and its also designed to keep you in the system. Honestly your on probation for 2 years, do everything they say, pay all your fines. If your lucky you'll get off a couple months early. Not much else you can do to get around it. I don't know if your facing a suspended sentence, probably are with such a long probation term, but smoking isn't worth your freedom.

Also it really matters on how you appear. Clean up your hair if it isn't, dress nice when visiting your po. Its all a game, just gotta play by their rules until your off. Good luck, its not easy-basket

 

[schwilly]

I had to do this once. Everything mowood said is good stuff.

My evaluation ended with the best possible outcome, me out of the system. I got hit with possession and paraphernalia for a pipe, few zips of bud, and a zip or two of hash. Most of which never made it to the station, the prime motive for the cop here was robbing me.

So, here's how it went. The person evaluating me was a ~300 lb female. The first thing I did when I walked in her office was to turn on the charm, real heavy. That's actually about all that was needed. But don't be suave, be cute, innocent and flirty. I also maintained eye contact continuously, if I needed to break eye contact I looked at a picture or trinket on her desk, for maybe half a second, then back to eye contact. Do not look up, period. Lean forward in your chair towards the evaluator and try to appear as forthcoming as possible. Don't lean back and cross your arms or legs.

and of course, lie your ass off.

if it's a dude, don't be charming unless you think he would appreciate it. and like mowood try to gauge the evaluator's personality and go on that.


good luck. hope your evaluator doesn't know the real deal about dmt.

did you admit to the dmt and tell them what it was? i've known people that got popped with dmt and they got off because the cops used up all the evidence trying to test it and figure out what the fuck it was.

 

[Midnight]

Ok so long story short. I was busted with a small amount of marijuana and DMT. (35 grams of nugs and 4 grams of DMT). I got 2 years probation and have to do a "drug evaluation". My PO already said he does not care if I do classes or not as long as I keep up with clean UA's and get the drug evaluation as per the court order. The problem is that I have NEVER seen anyone that did an evaluation and not been told the have a drug addiction and need to go to drug rehab classes. (why would they? its a money game and they charge 100's of $ for class I go to) My question is this: Is there a right way to answer their questions to make them believe I do not need "drug rehab" for these non addictive non harmful "drugs"? I know of course that it is all up to the person doing the evaluation and if they are some kind of zealot that think that anything the government had declared illegal is an awful drug and anyone who has tried it once in their life is an addict, im screwed. Any of you "drug addict" marijuana smokers out there know how I can get threw this without going threw all this BS? I mean damn I had to quit smoking, isn't that punishment enough?

thx Manic

Correct answers for a drug evaluation? You're joking right?

 

[MIway]

Correct answers for a drug evaluation? You're joking right?

just end every answer given with... but i'd smoke that for a dollar.

 

[LouDog420]

One thing to note, during the drug evaluation, you are not under oath...

Say what you gotta say, but if it was me, I'd be lying through my teeth. Seen DUI buddies getting fucked cause of this dude.

First time you ever smoked, and first time you were going to try DMT. They got to you before you could even try it, and are effectively scared straight

 

[ManicOrganic]

thanks for the info ppl

thanks for the info ppl

Thanks for the help. That was kinda along the lines of what I was thinking. The good part is I look and for the mostly act the part I need to play. Clean cut. work 6 days a week. havnt smoked in 6 months and dont have any real drug addictions. It burns my ass to act like marijuana is a drug or that it is addictive or causes a problem other than a legal one that im dealing with now but I guess marijuana will have to take one more hit for the team.

mowood3479- very good info thanks

schwilly- ya I told them it was DMT after they said that thier feild test came up positive for METH of all things. I had a felony meth charge for a bit tell the results came back from the state lab. the judge and the states att. had no idea what DMT was and had to look it up. Hope the people that do the eval have same problem. I just stuck with the lie of "I was told DMT was just an extract of salvia"

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

If your counselor's job is funded by the classes they recommend, you're looking at a tough time convincing em you don't need classes. I went through an alcohol assessment and told the truth, I drink 3 times a year on average. The counselor sat there and told me I wasn't dependent (yet didn't mark the paperwork accordingly.)

So the the judge tells me I qualify for driving privileges - but only if the counselor acknowledges on paper that I'm not dependent. I called the counselor and asked, "What gives". The exact same counselor told me I was a classic, dependent drinker.

This same hypocrite conducts the classes he assigns. How wouldn't such a hypocrite feel uncomfortable given the circumstances? Because I'd have to jump through the same hoops that everybody else does or I don't get what I came for.

Good luck.

 

[StonedStupid]

Honestly there are no correct answers especially if you got nailed with drug charges. Especially a paraphenlia charge to boot. Sure I might have been able to get out of the I just did it for the $ scenario but if you have any paraphenelia that will totally blow that story out the water. They honestly don't care what you have to say. I walked into a counseling service totally clean for well over a year and it was a requirement for me to get the eval and they still made me do classes despite being the cleanest person in the classes. It is all about lining their pockets with your $ and anyone else who might be subsidizing your funding if you have any help.

 

[schwilly]

schwilly- ya I told them it was DMT after they said that thier feild test came up positive for METH of all things. I had a felony meth charge for a bit tell the results came back from the state lab. the judge and the states att. had no idea what DMT was and had to look it up. Hope the people that do the eval have same problem. I just stuck with the lie of "I was told DMT was just an extract of salvia"

They played you.

Should have kept silent, meth and dmt are both schedule one, no difference in the eyes of the law. They might have used it up testing for meth, coke, heroin, bath salts, ketamine, pcp, and about 9 other things before they finally got to dmt.

good luck

-captain hindsight out

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

There's no such thing as a silver lining in a cesspool but I'll play devil's advocate. Evaluations and classes are the result of arguments that drug use isn't criminal. What ever it ends up costing you in time and money, it's reducing your consequences, i.e. higher criminal fines and or jail time.

Good luck.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

personally for me i would say FU i have n/p only problem is finding better then i allready have !!. i would tell em like it is for me i'm 48 yr old been smoken canna since age 10 and not w/out for more then 1wk since age 14. but then again thats me and i'm a med patient in my state but non the less what i would say before i was med patient.


but for your lie lie deny deny and say what they need to hear

 

[StonedStupid]

There's no such thing as a silver lining in a cesspool but I'll play devil's advocate. Evaluations and classes are the result of arguments that drug use isn't criminal. What ever it ends up costing you in time and money, it's reducing your consequences, i.e. higher criminal fines and or jail time.

Good luck.

I wouldn't say they reduce fines or jail time. In my case I was aready sentenced. This was just an added stipulation that they make people do with any kind of related drug charge in my area. If I was addicted to anything before my arrest it was the money I used to make over any substance I ever used.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Might your sentenced have been longer (even if only probation or parole) had you not had the treatment part? Seems like double jeopardy to add treatment to an otherwise full criminal sentence.

 

[Mukind]

Lie Lie and Lie some more. Its a point system, they have very little discretion in Illinois anyway. Don't get angry, they will bait you and drag it out. Good luck

 

[ManicOrganic]

how much will they know about my case?

how much will they know about my case?

How much information will they have about my case. It would be nice to know how much i can lie and get away with. Will they just know what I have been charged with or do they know all the details? Im writing a script for these people. They will never know what hit em. and if I still get called an "addict" I will know for sure this is a scam.