Compensation for victims of the War on Drugs?

[fizz]

I'm down for compensation as long as we can also have a tax on sagging jeans and poor grammar. I like a guaranteed return on my investment.

 

[DocTim420]

Ahem--reality check please:

1. Justice in the "war on drugs" is dependent on one's finances--not the color of one's skin (period).
2. You can not legislate against stupidity. If someone is stupid enough to reduce their entire purpose of life to a "needle and spoon", then why should I compensate them for their stupidity?
3. Past compensation/reparations paid by the US Government are few and far between. The largest one that I recall is the Japanese American Evacuation Claims Act (1948) that..."provided compensation to Japanese American citizens removed from the West Coast during World War II (WWII) for losses of real and personal property. Approximately 26,550 claims totaling $142,000 were filed. The program was administered by the Justice Department, which set a $100,000,000 limit on the total claims. Over $36,974,240 was awarded".
4. A person born a certain color/race has no say so in the matter since race/color of skin are things we can not control...but selecting a particular drug to abuse is within the control of the abuser.
5. Me too. If we compensate "this group" of people...then why not "that group"? Such as--should descendants of Caucasian slave owners compensate descendants of Caucasians that did not own slaves?
6. Should reparations be indexed to one's income/net worth? Should the amount paid to Oprah Winfrey or Bill Cosby be the same amount paid to a single mom in Compton?

 

[armedoldhippy]

ALL victims of the war on drugs should be compensated IMO. but not by legal cannabis taxes. it should come from the federal govt/for profit private prison industry pockets. the feds have known all along that they were full of shit, & if ANYONE is responsible it is them. anyone fined/incarcerated/paid probation "fees" or lost a job should ALL get their money back, pay for their time, and back pay over lost employment. if you lost your house because you lost your job, the payment should increase exponentially. JMHO

 

[944s2]

Ahem--reality check please:

1. Justice in the "war on drugs" is dependent on one's finances--not the color of one's skin (period).
2. You can not legislate against stupidity. If someone is stupid enough to reduce their entire purpose of life to a "needle and spoon", then why should I compensate them for their stupidity?
3. Past compensation/reparations paid by the US Government are few and far between. The largest one that I recall is the Japanese American Evacuation Claims Act (1948) that..."provided compensation to Japanese American citizens removed from the West Coast during World War II (WWII) for losses of real and personal property. Approximately 26,550 claims totaling $142,000 were filed. The program was administered by the Justice Department, which set a $100,000,000 limit on the total claims. Over $36,974,240 was awarded".
4. A person born a certain color/race has no say so in the matter since race/color of skin are things we can not control...but selecting a particular drug to abuse is within the control of the abuser.
5. Me too. If we compensate "this group" of people...then why not "that group"? Such as--should descendants of Caucasian slave owners compensate descendants of Caucasians that did not own slaves?
6. Should reparations be indexed to one's income/net worth? Should the amount paid to Oprah Winfrey or Bill Cosby be the same amount paid to a single mom in Compton?

Cmon Doc,,,, with respect
a bit of compassion and empathy for those that have been or are blighted by addiction,,,,
to wrap it up with " a little bow on top" ie all are stupid just dont stand up,,
its a huge and very complex matter,,,,
addiction pays no heed to class or colour,,,,,,,s2

 

[DocTim420]

Oh, I am very compassionate...but I believe in tuff-luv too!

Hard to help someone that refuses to help themselves.

It's all good, being old I guess you see a lot and remember a lot. Kinda like watching B&W reruns.

 

[944s2]

well,,at 53 i see myself as a young buck! NOT,,,lol
and tough love has its place,,,,,s2

 

[DocTim420]

LOL...you're about half way there my friend, assuming you will die at 100. I have a little less than 40% left.

If one dies at 100 years old, then each year equates to 1% of one's life.

 

[944s2]

LOL...you're about half way there my friend, assuming you will die at 100. I have a little less than 40% left.

If one dies at 100 years old, then each year equates to 1% of one's life.

lol,lol,, " the horror,,the horror ",,,,s2

 

[DocTim420]

LOL, stealing lines from the Bridge over the River Kwai...the horror.

While we are slightly off topic, another age/death thing I use is "grades". Remember in school if you scored 90% or above on a test you earned an A, 80% B, 70% C, 60% D and 59% or below the F.

So...a person makes it 90 years old they get an A...and they flunk if they don't make it to to 60. Of course there is also a thing called "extra credit". Gregg Allman passed at 70 but is awarded 25 extra credits--15 for his music and 10 for surviving the druggy days of the 60s...making his grade a solid A. Now BB King passed at 90 and I think he deserves an A++ so BB is also awarded 15 extra credits for his music.

Kinda makes dying a bit more "fun". LOL. Hey, I am not afraid of dying, I just don't want to...right now.

 

[Bud Green]

LOL, stealing lines from the Bridge over the River Kwai...the horror.

While we are slightly off topic, another age/death thing I use is "grades". Remember in school if you scored 90% or above on a test you earned an A, 80% B, 70% C, 60% D and 59% or below the F.

So...a person makes it 90 years old they get an A...and they flunk if they don't make it to to 60. Of course there is also a thing called "extra credit". Gregg Allman passed at 70 but is awarded 25 extra credits--15 for his music and 10 for surviving the druggy days of the 60s...making his grade a solid A. Now BB King passed at 90 and I think he deserves an A++ so BB is also awarded 15 extra credits for his music.

Kinda makes dying a bit more "fun". LOL. Hey, I am not afraid of dying, I just don't want to...right now.

Doc, I think you got a buzz and clicked the wrong thread for your comment.
I believe you were looking for "Deep Stoner Thoughts" or "Totally Random Post".


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[944s2]

LOL, stealing lines from the Bridge over the River Kwai...the horror.

While we are slightly off topic, another age/death thing I use is "grades". Remember in school if you scored 90% or above on a test you earned an A, 80% B, 70% C, 60% D and 59% or below the F.

So...a person makes it 90 years old they get an A...and they flunk if they don't make it to to 60. Of course there is also a thing called "extra credit". Gregg Allman passed at 70 but is awarded 25 extra credits--15 for his music and 10 for surviving the druggy days of the 60s...making his grade a solid A. Now BB King passed at 90 and I think he deserves an A++ so BB is also awarded 15 extra credits for his music.

Kinda makes dying a bit more "fun". LOL. Hey, I am not afraid of dying, I just don't want to...right now.

Doc! shame on you,,,,lol,lol,,,
its Marlon Brandos last words as Col Kurtz in Apocylpse Now,,,,,
One of the greatest films ever from Joseph Conrads " Hearts of Darkness" book,,,,s2

 

[oldchuck]

LOL...you're about half way there my friend, assuming you will die at 100. I have a little less than 40% left.

If one dies at 100 years old, then each year equates to 1% of one's life.

That would be nice. Then I would have almost 30 more years. But...well probably not.

 

[DocTim420]

Think positive! Between the advances in both technical and medical fields, imo there are lots of things to discover. I was stroking chins a few years a buddy that has forgotten more than I will ever learn about life--and he said the decay rate of the human body should sustain about 150 years of "life". LOL, not sure what one would look like at 150 (shriveled prune face comes to mind) but if my mind and bank account are still solid, who cares? LOL.

 

[oldchuck]

Thinking positive is fine but thinking realistically is probably more useful. I've seen a lot of that longevity stuff and strikes me as mostly speculative.

 

[Water-]

hijacked

 

[DocTim420]

A peak behind the curtain of So Cali Drug Rehab Center industry--

A peak behind the curtain of So Cali Drug Rehab Center industry--

I think this four part expose by OC Register about So Cali Drug Rehab Centers pulls the curtain back a bit, spotlighting the real game, "greed".

From the 1st part: ww.ocregister.com/2017/05/21/how-some-southern-california-drug-rehab-centers-exploit-addiction/

(Add 3rd "w" to make link read "www.")

Simple scheme

The scheme at the center of rehab fraud is not new, but two recent developments are making it much worse.

First, the number of people who might need a stint in rehab – drug-dependent men and women like Solomon – is exploding. About 2 million Americans are addicted to prescription opioids, according to the Centers for Disease Control, and at least 1 million more are addicted to heroin and other illegal drugs. And many states, like California, increasingly are diverting drug addicts to treatment programs rather than sending them to prison.

Second, under the rules of Obamacare, insurance companies are required to pay for addiction recovery. And through Covered California, insurance can be purchased the day you arrive from out of state.

With those factors in play, rehab centers use TV and online advertising, telemarketing and third-party recruiters – sometimes called “body brokers” – to convince addicts from around the country to come to Southern California to get clean. If the patient is insured – and many people addicted to prescription opiates are – that’s a plus. But if they’re not, some rehab centers pay for the addict to travel to California and sign up for insurance.

“They tell the kids they’re getting ‘scholarships’ to go into rehab,” said Ashton Abernathy, who worked on the financial side of several Orange County-based rehab centers before starting her own medical billing company.

“They don’t tell them that, half the time, they’re signing them up for insurance.”

Once the addict is insured and in a center – often a house – he or she usually stays for three months or so. During that time, unethical operators run up daily medical bills, covering everything from detox monitoring to psychological counseling, while providing little in the way of effective recovery services. The bills often run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars per patient.

But billing for addiction recovery is just one way rehab operators and people connected to them make money.

Addicts must pass drug tests to show they’re staying sober while in rehab. Often, those tests are ordered up at labs sometimes owned by the owner of the rehab center, a circular bit of business that can turn Solomon’s urine into his most valuable asset, generating insurance bills of more than $1,000 a day in some cases.

Eventually, when the insurance money dries up, the addict is kicked out of the center and onto the streets, a practice so routine there’s a name for it – “curbing.”

In this side of the rehab world, billing fraud is common and documents sometimes are faked. In some centers, and their affiliated (and unlicensed) sober living homes, street drugs are made available to patient-users so they can start the whole expensive process again, according to court documents and state records.

The depth of the problems aren’t well known outside the industry, but they haven’t gone unnoticed.

Insurance companies, state and federal regulators, and police agencies as diverse as the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency and the Los Angeles County Sheriff are investigating or suing some of the rehab industry’s bigger players. This month, a single rehab operator – Christopher Bathum, a convicted felon who controlled centers in Los Angeles and Orange counties – was ordered to stand trial for insurance fraud alleged to be worth more than $176 million. Separately, he faces charges of sexual assault allegedly involving his female patients.

On another front, Democrat and Republican legislators are pushing for new state and federal regulations. And, in some cases, consumers and neighborhood groups and city councils are fighting back. Costa Mesa recently passed an ordinance calling for sober living homes to send patients back to the address they had before entering treatment, a move aimed at preventing homelessness.

Still, rehab beds never are empty long.

Yeah, we can all be compassionate...but at some point you begin to wonder why your shirt is all wet. Then you wake up one day and shout, "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining!"

IMO, as long as the rehap industry views victims of drug abuse as a "paycheck", then "rehabilitation" will never replace "greed"...the real #1 priority--regardless of the color/creed/race/religion of the "drug abuser".

And now we are asked to "compensate" black victims from the war on drugs? Hmmm, a very strange variation of "affirmative action" I say...especially considering the mountain of $$$ society already spends on these "drug rehab centers".

LOL, my wife says--if these were puppy mills instead of "drug rehab centers", more people would be pissed about what really goes on behind the scene. You know...she's right.

 

[dddaver]

What the hell was the title of this thread again?

 

[DocTim420]

If one assumes the "black victim" from the war on drugs is also a "victim of drug abuse", then aren't we are talking about same "victim"? Smart people know that sending the medically ill to prison for a few years does not "heal them" of their medical ailment (chemical addiction).

But, I guess if one assumes the "black victim" from the war on drugs is anyone that was incarcerated (legally or not)...then I guess we can exclude all conversations about the real problem: chemical addiction.

 

[oldchuck]

Doc, I agree with your opinion that so-called drug rehab is mostly a racket. But I think you will find most of the people in those rehab operations are white. Black people get stopped and often go to jail just because they are black. That's called institutional racism and those people cannot afford those expensive rehab operations.

I disagree with your contention that "the real problem, chemical addiction." The massive increases in addiction to H, meth, or cocaine are a symptom not a cause. The cause is cultural. Ask yourself why? Why do people shoot H laced with whatever? The answer is cultural. Why is the big increase in the last 20 years been mostly in rural poor white environments? I don't have a good answer but all the laws and the drug rehab rackets do not address the "why."

 

[trichrider]

The Guardian Registers as Charity for U.S. Tax Exemption Amidst Financial Losses


Left-wing British newspaper The Guardian has announced that it has registered as a charity in the United States, as part of a plan to encourage people to donate to prop up their flailing financial position.

“The Guardian today announces the public launch of theguardian.org, a new nonprofit to support quality independent journalism around some of the most pressing issues of our time,” the publication announced Monday.

“Set up by the Scott Trust, theguardian.org will raise funds from individuals and foundations and direct them towards projects that advance public discourse and citizen participation around issues such as climate change, human rights, global development, and inequality.”

The initiative comes after years of financial turmoil for the company. In 2016, the company announced losses of £68.7 million, although cut that figure to £44.7 million in 2017.

Since last year, The Guardian has been begging its readers for money to help ease its financial woes, telling its readers that the world now needs The Guardian “more than ever”.

Following Donald Trump’s victory against Hillary Clinton last November, the paper declared war on Donald Trump, and consequently solicited donations in order to “hold the new administration to account”.

Rachel White, president of theguardian.org, said the company’s new charitable status would encourage individuals and philanthropic organisations to make a donation.

“The creation of theguardian.org makes it possible for us to forge key strategic partnerships, and engage a wider range of individuals and philanthropic organisations in supporting our global ground-breaking storytelling and reporting,” she said.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...rs-charity-us-tax-exemption-financial-losses/

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Gypsy, you had to know this is political persuasion. the Guardian is a tool of the socialist state (globalism) attempting to sour race relations in order to facilitate conquest of America.

the world over, socialists are blaming America for their problems including climate change (not happening), global development (resentful jealousy that America is more advanced), inequality (people are simply not equally endowed), and human rights (of which Americans seem to have more than, especially white Americans).

this fake news outlet is a blight and cannot even maintain itself after the lies .... pardon me, stories it tries to sell as news. it now must resort to begging to continue its yellow journalism.

how about reparations for ALL drug war victims?

how about reparations for my ancestors who were driven from the British Isles for their spiritual beliefs?

reparations for India for the misery the Brits imposed?

perhaps reparations for all prisoners shipped off to Australia, hmmn?

i just picked a few off the top of my head relating to England and the monarchy.

see where this leads? it is a ploy to destroy.

threads get removed for political content, why is this one different?