Committing suicide...

[Donald Trump]

yeah everyone is different and some do have mental problems and handle things in life differently. I think it's normal to ponder it though a bit. Now if it starts to become a serious choice of yours then that's when it gets unhealthy.

I think a lot of people who kill themselves have mental problems obviously.. just seems much more selfish when kids are involved.

 

[mithra]

If it become something that you are obsessed with, then you need someone to show you alternatives. Its just one choice out of many, you could seek help, or if things look real dire, as in a terminal illness,you could arrange a proper ending, with loved ones around, and the chance to speak openly about your life.
Its a tool that can be used. Im not against suicide, just when its used to end a life that doesnt need to end. There are lots of people out there that can help, in fact many who would love to help, problems always seem much larger than they really are. Sorry I'm a bit of topic, but I'v been there.

 

[one Q]

I had a thought.

What if you were sick and wanted to commit suicide, but then you got help. That stuff costs MONEY. Rx cost MONEY. Then say you stayed alive, just to work your ass off just to pay for the help to stay alive. What kind of quality of life is that. 40 hours a week, bills, food, and "help."

I would be like, forget that shit. I didnt want to live in the first place, now im alive just to pay to be alive.

I know it's cold to think about it like that.

 

[longearedfriend]

i understand where your coming from

Imagine if there was a place where you could go, and tell them yeah, not interested in this anymore, and they give you a shot, from which you never wake up

 

[one Q]

LEF! That would be good. Then you can write your "good bye letter" there or they'll mail it off for you or somthing. I think the crazy thing about that is the fact that IF a place like that existed, people would disappear LEFT AND RIGHT. I think more people would do it than we think. Some people avoid it themselves cause the options SUCK. Either shoot, jump, hang, OD,toaster bath etc... No real peaceful way to go about it. But put an option for people to just sign a form, lay down and go to sleep... line down the street. Think VIP at the hottest night club.

 

[one Q]

Fuck I hope I didnt come off like a arrogant prick in that last post. I think some (most?) of you know my intentions.

 

[aggregatebuzz]

can death by misadventure be considered elective death
many adventure seekers live with possibility of death,is flirting with death and finding favor morally any different

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Suicide. I did that once.

 

[aggregatebuzz]

just not glorious enough to please me

 

[ganjasuiteseat]

you dont know jack!

I had a thought.

What if you were sick and wanted to commit suicide, but then you got help. That stuff costs MONEY. Rx cost MONEY. Then say you stayed alive, just to work your ass off just to pay for the help to stay alive. What kind of quality of life is that. 40 hours a week, bills, food, and "help."

I would be like, forget that shit. I didnt want to live in the first place, now im alive just to pay to be alive.

I know it's cold to think about it like that.

feel u on that.for profit health care in all forms is crazy.hord cures and means of longevity for all the wrong reasons.but when some is comiting suicide,all that matters is reason.and only ''real''reason you sould leagly (club style)(lmao) is mortal sickness and extreme pain.but for stress and mental pain reasons.should be treated on a individual basis.
jus my cent.stay up 1Q and all peace

 

[MurderDeathKill]

I had a thought.

What if you were sick and wanted to commit suicide, but then you got help. That stuff costs MONEY. Rx cost MONEY. Then say you stayed alive, just to work your ass off just to pay for the help to stay alive. What kind of quality of life is that. 40 hours a week, bills, food, and "help."

I would be like, forget that shit. I didnt want to live in the first place, now im alive just to pay to be alive.

I know it's cold to think about it like that.

thinking like that is perfectly logical. the fact that society thinks everything is black/white is ridiculous. life is full of grey areas...

in regards to suicide, if you're gonna end it you should think about the people that gotta clean up after you... id say its best to do it outside in the lawn, preferably where small children won't come across it but law enforcement will...

front lawn of the police station or medical examiners office comes to mind...

 

[whateverman]

If I ever catch a case looking at a dime or more, and feel like I don't have good odds, I'll probably end it. What's it to you?

I don't have kids. I don't have any moral responsibilities to that end. I'm not going to create 3000 internet threads, call in the fire department and a grief counselor to talk me out of it, and make the local news. I won't inconvenience society. I'll shoot a few grams of the nastiest stuff I can get a hold of and let the car run with the garage door down.

First, you must admit that you don't care about my life. Admit it. Done that? OK. So now, why does my disposition offend you? You and I both know why; it's because life is a dark, cloudy, confusing mess, and my considered disregard for the sanctity of our earthly experience threatens, frightens, and confuses you and your intellectually sloppy view of lifes' meaning.

No educated and/or thoughtful grown-ups judge another man for harm he does to himself. Serious and worthwhile people judge a man by the harm he does to others. In the case of most suicides, that harm is nill.

 

[HomerSimpson]

To the OP. I feel for your loss. I agree with you for the most part teenagers just need a little help to get through all the BS of being a teenager. I also believe that its getting harder and harder to grow up in a "First World Society".

To all the cowards who say you must be weak minded to kill yourself. Put a barrel in your mouth and see who feels weak. It ain't the person who pulled the trigger.

As a person who has tasted cold steel. I really believe that you can not be weak to pull that trigger. Or whatever your means of demise are. Honestly I felt even worse after not being able to pull the trigger.

Does that mean I am weak cause I wouldn't pull the trigger. No. Just means that at the last moment I decided that it was worth my time to continue to give it at try. But honestly, I stand at another crossroads of life. I will be honest. Suicide looks like an option. This coming from a person who believes in reincarnation.

To those of who whose only concern seems to be the ones left behind. I cant speak about anyone who has gone before me. But it is my family that I care the least about. Because through most of my life. They haven't really care much about me. Act like they do, but in the long run. I feel they only try to keep me alive, because it would look bad upon then if I did commit suicide. I am just a problem to throw money at, never look at the real issue.

And to those of you who read my post and thought. Man this guy could really use some help. I get it on a weekly basis.

 

[DankSide]

Everyone gets depressed, some are just more prone to dramatizing it than others.
Ever been depressed and wanted your life to end? Maybe even just a second?
Sure, we all think about it, then the reality sets in and one of your friends or acquaintances 86's themselves - makes you think twice.

Same thing with kids, you think you want them til' you see a friend go through it.

 

[Strainhunter]

Everyone gets depressed, some are just more prone to dramatizing it than others.
Ever been depressed and wanted your life to end? Maybe even just a second?
Sure, we all think about it.........

No.

Not once, not even one bit.

 

[budlover123]

All I'm gonna say is part of any full life is feeling like you want to die, but killing yourself is just about never part of a full life, you know what I mean? Hang in there.

 

[Stress_test]

I lost my sister due to suicide last fall. Done a bit of reading on it.

Suicide is the result of depression and chemical imbalances. People don't just kill themselves "just because". It's because they are mentally ill. It's the result of a person's genetics predisposition to depression and trauma the person has experienced.

Saying it's the "height of human selfishness" or "for pussies" is about as ignorant and stupid as you can possibly get.

There's a LOT more to it that can really be explained in a statement or even a book.

A few days before Xmas of 2008 I rolled my 2006 Explorer off of a snow covered icy road. I had just gotten off of work and the weather that day was cold and rainy all day, it turned into ice late afternoon and then about 5pm it turned to heavy snow and covered the ice that had built up on the roads. I had new studded snow tires put on my rig 2 days before and 4 wheel drive so I wasn't too concerned. But I stopped and put it in 4 wheel drive and buckled my seatbelt, which I never wore unless driving in town.
Anyway it rolled sideways twice and hit a tree, spinning it around and then flipping end over end 11 more times down a 500 foot cliff. It landed upside down with a fence post through the drivers windshield through my thigh and out through the floorboard.
I was knocked unconscious after about the 3rd flip and woke up a couple hours later. Somehow I pulled myself out the crack of the windshield and off of the fence post and walked 5 miles home for help as I knew I was losing a lot of blood and had no idea how fucked up I was.
I called 911 before even looking myself over to assess damage and was told that it would be at least 3 to 4 hours before an ambulance could get there because of the weather and no air-ambulance's could fly. I live 45 minutes from the nearest hospital in good driving conditions, so I called a paramedic friend to come help and another friend with a 4X4 to haul me in.
I had a little bit of H2O2 and 1/2 gallon of vodka, so I climbed into the shower and started cutting my clothes off and washing down with the vodka and H2O2 so we could see how badly I was busted up.
The left side of my face and scalp were peeled back by the windshield when it came thru with pieces of glass penetrating my skull and my right side was pretty much just pulp from the waste up.
After 15 1/2 hrs in surgery and more several days of cleaning, cutting and sewing, I was sent home to recover. My Avatar is after the last reconstructive surgery, which is kind of comical cause just a couple days ago, a member here PM'd me asking why I would use a morgue picture of a dead guy for my Avatar. Poor guy probably felt bad after I told him it was my face.

I will never be able to do most of the things I have loved doing throughout my life and I look like Frankenstein even after 6 reconstructive surgeries. My mind was destroyed, before the wreck I had a memory that never failed, now I can't remember shit unless I write it down in a notebook that I carry with me. I have several degrees from college in computer science, networking, literature, anger management, and interpersonal communication that do me no good anymore. I have thousands invested in tools and equipment that I can no longer use. I had always hunted, fished and camped and had always been very active and healthy and had even advanced to 3rd degree bb in Jujutsu a couple weeks before.

After the wreck my life as I had known it was erased and the meds that the docs had given me were really fucking with my head for the first 6 months.
More than once I did give some serious thought to parking in front of a train.

I'm not selfish and I'm not mentally ill... I was fucked up and had already been killed. My life had ended in the wreck and there is no way anybody should have survived that wreck, it was simply impossible.

I honestly don't even know why I never attempted suicide. But I stopped all the meds and pain killers and started smoking mj, which has become a huge part of my life the last couple of years. I don't know of any better therapy than a couple hours in the garden.

Although it is impossible to get a date now cause there just aren't that many blind women in this part of the country.

I guess my point is that we can never really know the reasons why people commit suicide, and we never really know our own limits until we are faced with the choice ourselves. It's too easy sometimes to judge others based on our perceptions of our own durability and limitations.

So now I always try and smile and give a kind word to everybody I encounter because they might just be having a completely fucked up life and on the precipice them self.

 

[HempKat]

Hi HC. Some of that was mentioned on a side thread that offended/scared some cheesedick and was censored. Glad you brought it back up.
Teen sucide has a lot of the 'martyr' syndromes.

Well it's not meant to offend but having talked with suicidal teens, having known a few, the most common trend I've noticed is they all want to punish someone with their death. To be honest it kind of bothers me seeing the reactions here to suicide that many are expressing. If the suicidal teens I've known saw some thread like this with people talking about how their lives were destroyed by someone's suicide it would only serve to harden their resolve to commit suicide by assuring them they'll get the desired results.

 

[HempKat]

Here are the facts:


Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and questioning youth are up to four times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual peers, according to the Massachusetts 2006 Youth Risk Survey. A 2009 study, "Family Rejection as a Predictor of Negative Health Outcomes" led by Dr. Caitlin Ryan and conducted as part of the Family Acceptance Project at San Francisco State University, shows that adolescence who were rejected by their families for being LGBT were 8.4 times more likely to report having attempted suicide. And for every completed suicide by a young person, it is estimated that 100 to 200 attempts are made (2003 Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance Survey).

It would be great if we could look around a persons colour, sex preference ,wealth, and just see the person under the layers of shit. I mean, really, what does it matter if your straight and I'm gay? Not a whole lot of anything, we all still need the same things, to be loved and valued. But sadly we are not programed that way.

Ah so Gay youth are not more likely to commit suicide unless they've been rejected by their family. Maybe it's the rejection aspect and has nothing to do with their sexual orientation other then that being the basis of the rejection? Straight teens however are less likely to be rejected by their families so to compare Gay teens to Straight Teens is kind of misleading. I bet if the study looked at rejected gay teens compared only to straight teens that have also been reject by their families, then the results would be much different.

 

[bs0]

I love how this thread so often puts the happiness of the survivors over the decision made be the suicide. The only person who knows what will make them happy is themself. Sometimes life just really isn't worth pursuing any more. All the "its a cowards way out" or "think of your family" really is just bullshit. The former is absurd, the latter just putting other peoples feelings over that of the suicide. I have lost friends and family to suicide, and the position I have that they made a decision. I might not like the decision, (to put it lightly) but it is what it is. Feel free to denigrate and talk shit about these people, but it really is their right to decide exactly what they want to do with their own life.