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[TychoMonolyth]

As a Chinese student, your aptitude is assessed your entire school life. Keep in mind that if you come from a village, chances are pretty good that the whole village has banked and invested on your success. The amount of stress to succeed is only eclipsed by the competition to actually get in school, then once again, compete against the best in that school. If the government thinks you're an engineer, then that's what you will be. The government looks at the current supply of skillsets and projects any future shortfalls. If they will need more doctors in 20 years, then you'll be a doctor. IF you're selected. That's how they manage their talent pool and workforce. Very few get to choose what they want to do, unless that career is acceptable to them in the first place.

One thing the Chinese government doesn't do, is support for the arts. The arts simply isn't in their economic model. You may be an engineer, but if your heart is to be a painter, you paint on your own dime, in your own time. If you do pursue that dream, your paintings will end up in one of the many local craft markets. And let me tell you, the quality of the stuff boggles the mind. I have a 30x30 needle point on silk we picked up for $15. When we got it framed back home, we were offered $2,500 on the spot by the framer. The quality and skill involved is amazing. This points to the capitalist society. The items in those markets are purchased in bulk by distributors and sold around the world. The negotiating skills in that market must mesh with your product quality. Deals are made quickly, and on the spot. That capitalist environment is what drives tiny, small, and large industries with relatively little, if any government intervention.

It's a dog eat dog world and the Chinese economy wins without any relative government investment. It's the power of numbers, and turning a blind eye to business shenanigans. For every one person that succeeds, in school or business, 50,000 starve.

Yay unchecked capitalism.

 

[Gry]

I strongly disagree with what is highlighted in bold. The Maoist Cultural Revolution was condemned even by his own party later on.

I found it an interesting statement, made by a fasinating individual, who wished to facilate a transaction.

 

[CaptainDankness]

well, Chump hands it out to rich people. of COURSE they freak out when "lesser" folks get some help. "what have THEY done to deserve any help? i OWN a business..."

Biden is giving it to the rich as well, $1 Trillion of the 1.9 is not even Covid19 related....

Trump wasn't any better when it comes to stimulus. We're going to have inflation through the roof, it's going to be like Hawaii where milk costs like $8 a gallon only not tropical. Lol

Though I do find it strange how the Central bankers are looking deeply into their own crypto currency, as the US, EU, UK and Australia all devalue the shit out of our currencies. They don't have to microchip us, we'll just be forced to have a smart phone to buy or sell anything. It's going to be like the Euro, but for the world. Wouldn't be the end of the world, just they're going to know about all our money. No more plowing your neighbors driveway and forgetting to file it on your taxes cause they know all about it.

Trump, Biden, don't matter, the bankers have been talking about a one world currency for the last 20 years and now they're creating a crypto currency.

 

[Cannavore]

Democrats are the nanny state party in my eyes.

both parties are. what do you call it when republicans cant wait to sign off on larger govt military budgets, domestic spying, upholding the drug war, wanting to ban abortion, ect.

 

[hubcap]

(A civil discussion in the speakers corner? About time)

*grabs soapbox*



I tend to agree with the OP. I don't believe the Democrats, as a whole, are pro-communist at all. I wouldn't call them neo-liberal either, but, that's just an opinion. We all got 'em.

It's the left wing that has a megaphone that dwarfs their intellect; the self-labeled "democratic" socialists that are pro-communism. Aside from Sen Sanders ("I"-VT) the rest of the "so-called" squad don't even know what communism really is. let alone the devastating effect it would have on the US, and, in turn, the world.

Also agree that most Americans don't know what it (communism) truly is. I'd say it's more a form of "damn the man" movement than it is a prescribed commitment to communism....

I'm curious as to why Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea et al, were excluded as examples of communism to consider.


That all being said, and trying to stay with the flow of the thread, I have an opinion about this latest inflation creator from our esteemed leaders.....
I tried to get through the whole bill. (lost some productivity at work, but, I felt the time was worth it. too much noise out there to form an educated opinion by listening to 'news.')

My overall takeaway, as usual, is there is a chit-ton of waste, and, what appears to me as 'bailouts' to the same states that are crying poverty (while locking people down and killing them in nursing homes) instead of actually looking at states that are opening and admitting that their way was, indeed, the better path. Open your states up and you wont NEED this money......

Now, before half of you flip your shit....let me expand.

With the exception of the excuse for a Gov in NY that felt it was cool to cover up the death toll because he was too proud to take Trump's help, the blue states did NO BETTER than the red, and, in many of them( blue states,) they are much worse off. Were talking BIG states that stayed (relatively) open...Looking at you Texas and Florida. CA, NY, NJ, et al.....did NO better. In fact, in many ways that matter, worse.
In short, I'd pin about 10% of what I read and digested appears to directly help rectify this virus situation going on. But, I still need more time to dig deeper. And more time to finish it up. Its LOOOONG....
Ol Nancy (D-CA) and one of the other corrupt clowns from NY, Schumer (D-NY) are notorious for pork and they have had many years learning how to eloquently word it and create buzz words for their media to repeat ad nauseum in order to bass their crap. And it IS crap.
Does the "trumpkin" like anything, you ask? (insert which ever lame nickname rabid liberals have for people that disagree with them on things. I laugh at all of em)

I do like money going to expand vaccinations in the states, then once done here, donate to less fortunate countries. This costs a lot, but, its a reasonable line item.
I do like money going to schools to get kids back in class safely. It can be done, and it doesn't need to be as expensive and ornery as dems are making it sound. (OR cost)
I do like money going to hospitals to shore up their defenses against this mess. AND to take care of those that have been handling this mess and dealing, first hand, with the negative effects.
There were some other items that I liked, but, as you can imagine, they dealt with mitigating this mess and getting people back to work. (scant mention of SMALL business owners)

So, there is SOME good in it.

But, much of it smelled like bacon to me. Same with the last "stimulus" that went to many people who didn't even need it. (I put $200 on my credit card, and gave the rest to help the local school get new football gear. But, I didn't need it.) Should have ONLY went to people out of work, imho. Same with this one.....Many people didn't even lose any time, let alone their job..pay brackets are irrelevant here...if u were working and paid your bills before covid....you did it during.....IF you didnt lose work....or got sick.......)
I'll end up donating this one, too. I'm thinking the local no-kill animal shelter. Or Trumps legal battle slush fund. Nancy would like that. So would President Biden. Bi-Partisan, right?


I recall reading something about a subway in California.(I skimmed this one.....was just getting angry. So details are scant from me)
Traffic wont be a problem if they keep it up. Everyone will either leave, or be too poor for a car AND a home. Its a total waste. If I recall correctly, one other California hero spent a boatload on a train that went nowhere. Cant recall who.......(pun intended)
Im not for giving any states money that were so adamant on absolute and total control of lockdowns. There was ZERO evidence of this being ebola-like. Everyone was clueless and it showed. So they fear-mongered and politicized it. Both sides.
I also feel that states that stayed open don't need BILLIONS of dollars either. Its not about fighting covid. Its painful, but, that doesn't change the fact its not directly needed to fight covid. (With the exceptions states use the money, SOLEY, to spread vaccines and strengthen hospitals. But we ALL know what will REALLY happen to the money.......we wont know. And it WONT be for covid.


If you sense a tinge of bias in my post, your senses serve you well. But these are honest opinions thrown out there by someone that has actually took some time to do the leg work and read through this monstrosity. I suggest everyone here do the same. Id like to hear more educated (and civil) opinions on the matter.....


I tend to lean right. No secret. But, Im also rational. Socially pretty liberal but I'm getting verrrry tired of spending my money on pet projects and grift. I'm fiscally conservative on the level of Rand Paul which is pretty rigid. Id guess that's a libertarian, but, I digress. This bill is a mess. It passed with absolutely ZERO bi-partisan support (which we knew all along not a single dem meant they wanted to work across the aisle. Cant blame em. GOP wouldn't either.....but they wouldn't lie to the people and SAY, publicly, they wanted Dem support.)
Its just another example of why we need a convention of states to get term limits enforced on this run away gamesmanship of redemption going on now. They've ALL been there WAY tooo long.

This bill is a mess. I foresee very bad financial futures for the 'nearer' term. Long term were ok but, once people realize the market is WAY over valued, and this fresh flood of money meets up against plateaued/stagnant inventories......watch that money be worth less and less. Bet on it. Inflation IS coming. Its just matter of how bad it will be for people.
Me? Ill be strategically placed to buy up the strong stocks at a discount. Again. I've been down this road before.



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[D. B. Doober]

The Republican plan of only helping the rich company owners and hoping for a trickle-down effect in profits has since Reagan shown it does not work. McConnell and Cruz are out of touch and don't represent the common American.

 

[unclefishstick]

The Republican plan of only helping the rich company owners and hoping for a trickle-down effect in profits has since Reagan shown it does not work. McConnell and Cruz are out of touch and don't represent the common American.

except for americans that self identify as turtles or shitheads

 

['Boogieman']

(A civil discussion in the speakers corner? About time)



This bill is a mess. I foresee very bad financial futures for the 'nearer' term. Long term were ok but, once people realize the market is WAY over valued, and this fresh flood of money meets up against plateaued/stagnant inventories......watch that money be worth less and less. Bet on it. Inflation IS coming. Its just matter of how bad it will be for people.
Me? Ill be strategically placed to buy up the strong stocks at a discount. Again. I've been down this road before.



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Do you think the crash will be worse than a year ago? I have a very small fortune I plan to invest if/when it happens.

 

[armedoldhippy]

except for americans that self identify as turtles or shitheads

sure seem to be a lot of them...

 

[armedoldhippy]

Biden is giving it to the rich as well, $1 Trillion of the 1.9 is not even Covid19 related....

you cannot stop the rich from elbowing their way into line when money is available. only recourse is to tax fuck out of them & take as much as possible back. they are like giant hogs pushing baby porkers away from the damn trough...

 

[Cannavore]

forgot i made this thread lol ill have to catch up.


economically illiterate capitalist gets obliterated by marxist economics professor.

 

[Montuno]

forgot i made this thread lol ill have to catch up.


economically illiterate capitalist gets obliterated by marxist economics professor.

Unfortunately, my level of oral English prevents me from following it....

Anyway, for all those who only think of Stalin or Mao when they enter these topics, greetings from a country governed by socialists and communists (and again, as they have always done since the first time in 1931, democratically).
...Private property has not been abolished, nor freedom in general...as far as I know...
...Damn it, I was already sharpening the sickle and wielding the hammer...


In fact, the ultra-right here has just imported Trump's "Socialism vs Freedom"....
It has been a scandal, given that here the Marxists have been the standard bearers of the struggle for democracy. Even the French president has come out in his country thanking the sacrifice of these women and men in the defense of their own democracy...

Repeating this, and in the same way that when I debate about capitalism I do not think only of the economic regime of the Nazi dictatorship or Pinochet; in the same way that when I debate about Christianity or Islam I do not think only of the KKK or DAESH; it is appreciated to focus the debate in socio-economic terms...
A reading of "Das Kapital", as a basis to start debating the subject, seems to me more than appropriate...

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

 

[packerfan79]

China is an authoritarian communist regime, they have state owned media, banks, and every square inch of land in China is owned by the government (You can own buildings but not the actual land.). Politically everything is still highly centralized... they have however transitioned some sectors to a market economy (capitalism).

As far as why Americans think the Democrat Party is Communist... I dunno maybe because of a lack of critical thinking skills being taught in school? Its a head scratcher.

That's not really communist. Lol.

They may have done away with the equity, they certainly haven't done away with the authoriauthoritarianism, or slavery.

You can't have a democratic party if people are taught to think critically.

 

[flylowgethigh]

Call the demonrats socialists then instead of commies. Nazis were also socialists, at first, in name

I hope you folks are doing more than argueing about semantics, in preparation for the shitshow coming. The American shindig was a blast post WW2, but the party is winding down and the remining drunks are picking through what remains to eat. drink.

 

[Cannavore]

Call the demonrats socialists then instead of commies. Nazis were also socialists, at first, in name

I hope you folks are doing more than argueing about semantics, in preparation for the shitshow coming. The American shindig was a blast post WW2, but the party is winding down and the remining drunks are picking through what remains to eat. drink.

the "semantics" are more than important when you consider the whole premise of an impending shitstorm is based upon false information being fed to you by "your side"

your right the party is winding down. and that party is called unfettered capitalism and american empire. and to numb you of this reality, your "side" fills you with notions of hidden commies and chinese coups being the culprit. it's no different than the shit the corporations and the cia fill the heads of the democrats with.... hidden russian overtaking of our elections, etc. all of this rheoric is designed to keep you from realizing that it is what i said originally is the culprit. and so you have nationalist movements forming globally on the right, and anticapitalist movements forming on the left as a reaction to all this as a way to make sense of it all. but make no mistake, the democrats (except for a handful of minor players) are not a part of that leftist movement just as i'm sure you'd argue that's a similar story with the divide between the GOP & Trump supporters. they are there to stop that leftist movement in the same way the GOP will stop any further slide to the right (ie - public condemnation of Jan 6th, etc) because they are fully bought and paid for just like the republican party is.

and if you want an accurate depiction of who the democrats are politically, they are the farthest thing from socialists, communists, marxists, etc. they are socially left (which doesnt mean a damn thing in 2021), and right wing & corporatist everywhere else (where i'd argue where it actually matters).

the socialists, leftists, communists, anarchists, marxists, etc all hate the democratic party as much or more than you do lol.

 

[Cannavore]

take a look at AOC and the current young crop of Dems, usually referred to as The Squad, who, like Bernie, commonly refer to themselves as democratic socialists. they are there to sheep herd the youth (who are increasingly anti capitalist) into the democratic party by tricking those people into thinking she's more like her voters than her politician corporatist colleagues. she's a total sellout in my opinion. and for that reason, she will probably become president one day.

it's for this reason and her popularity that the DSA (dem socialists of america) don't try to press her to make her challenege the establishment. she's a fucking cash cow for left wing causes and activism. which i find to be an interesting juxtaposition. in the short term she is sheep herding the youth into the DNC under false pretenses, but at the same time she is further exposing these people to democratic socialism by referring to herself as that, as well as lefty ideas in general, or at least, ideas that are currently to the left of the DNC which will cause long term harm to establishment/corporatist DNC corrupt goals.

 

[flylowgethigh]

OK, whatever. Carry on. I would rather squirrel away PM coins than argue.

 

[Cannavore]

lol im not trying to argue... just having a conversation. i don't understand the hyper focus on communism or all these scapegoats when they're so easily and provably bullshit. talk to any socialist or commie or lefty for two seconds and they'll tell you this, or hell, take it from someone who is a lefty lol.... the dems are not the left =) liberals are pro capitalism, lefties are not. this is the stark difference. liberals will always side with upholding capitalism over full lefty ideas. yes they are sympathetic to the left but that's about it. they pretend like they give a shit for the votes, because they know the left has nowhere else to go. the center/democrats is as far left as this country goes lol up until recently with bernie breaking through.

 

[Cannavore]

Lee J Carter of Virginia, and there's a woman in Seattle who i'm forgetting, are about the only elected socialist/marxists that i know of within the democratic party.

the others who call themselves democratic socialists, are not that, including Bernie. they are social democrats, which is what FDR was. the difference between social democrats and democratic socialists is the latter wants to replace capitalism. whereas the former (social democrats) want socialistic policies (like universal healthcare) within a privately owned capitalist market.

 

[Cannavore]

From a China Traveler
David Rockefeller 1973

Given China's vastness, it was only due to the remarkable thoughtfulness of our hosts that the six members of our Chase group were able to see and experience so much during just ten days in Peking, Sian, Shanghai and Canton. In terms of simple geographic expanse, a week and a half visit to China is something equivalent to trying to see New York City in less than one and a half minutes.
One is impressed immediately by the sense of national harmony. From the loud patriotic music at the border onward, there is very real and pervasive dedication to Chairman Mao and Maoist principles. Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose.

General economic and social progress is no less impressive. Only 25 years ago, starvation and abject poverty are said to have been more the rule than the exception in China. Today, almost everyone seems to enjoy adequate, if Spartan, food, clothing and housing. Streets and homes are spotlessly clean, and medical care greatly improved. Crime, drug addiction, prostitution and venereal disease have been virtually eliminated. Doors are routinely left unlocked. Rapid strides are being made in agriculture, reforestation, industry and education. Eighty per cent of school‐age children now attend primary school, compared with 20 per cent just twenty years ago.
Each step of the trip was choreographed precisely by our hosts and, though virtually all our requests were granted, we clearly saw what they wanted us to. Still, there was little sense of the constant security found in some other Communist countries. Issues such as Taiwan and Cambodia evoke strong positions, but conversation does not founder on ideological shoals. The Chinese seem so totally convinced of the correctness of their own world view that they do not feel they have to push it aggressively.Despite the constant impressions of progress, however, some gray areas and basic contradictions also emerged. Three major questions remain in my own mind.First, can individuality and creativity continue to be contained to the degree they are now in a nation with such a rich cultural heritage?

The enormous social advances of China have benefited greatly from the singleness of ideology and purpose. But a stiff price has been paid in terms of cultural and intellectual constraint. There are only eight different theatrical productions in the entire country. The universities are rigorously politicized, with little room for inquiry unrelated to Chairman Mao's thought. Freedom to travel or change jobs is restricted. When asked about personal creativity, one ceramics craftsman answered only that there was not time for individual art if the masses were to be served.

Second, will the highly decentralized Chinese economy be able to adapt successfully to expanded foreign trade and technological improvements?

Considering the problems to be overcome, economic growth in China over the last 25 years has been quite remarkable, with an annual average rise in gross national product of 4 to 5 per cent. For the 1971–75 period, this growth should range between 5.5 and 7.5 per cent a year. These results have depended largely on a wise emphasis on agriculture and a nationwide policy of decentralized, balanced industrial development. The industrial spread reflects strategic factors, the laborabundant nature of the country and inadequate transportation. There are, for instance, now only a handful of commercial jet airplanes in China, and flights are entirely dependent on weather conditions owing to limited guidance facilities common in most parts of the world.
Third, are we and the Chinese prepared to accept our very real differences and still proceed toward the closer mutual understanding that must be the basis of substantive future contact?
I fear that too often the true significance and potential of our new relationship with China has been obscured by the novelty of it all. Pandas and Ping‐Pong, gymnastics and elaborate dinners have captivated our imaginations, and I suspect the Chinese are equally intrigued by some of our more novel captitalistic ways.
In fact, of course, we are experiencing a much more fundamental phenomenon. The Chinese, for their part, are faced with altering a primarily inward focus that they have pursued for a quarter century under their current leadership. We, for our part, are faced with the realization that we have largely ignored a country with one‐fourth of the world's population. When one considers the profound differences in our cultural heritages and our social and economic systems, this is certain to be a long task with much accommodation necessary on both sides.
The social experiment in China under. Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history. How extensively China opens up and how the world interprets and reacts to the social innovations and life styles she has developed is certain to have a profound impact on the future of many nations.

lol yep that's the one. this was big amongst the alex jones crowd back when i watched him and it's how i know about this. alex for all his faults did basically kick start my interest in politics which i dont forget =)