commies

[Cannavore]

i would love to hear in depth how the democrats are communist. i would also love to hear how China is communist.

my position, which i can prove extremely easily, is that the democrats are a center right corporate capitalist party, otherwise known as neoliberal. and china, china quickly abandoned any semblence of a communist economy in favor of authoritarian state capitalism (which is the USA's future -- i'm sure all my conspiracy theorists out there remember when David Rockefeller said China is the model for the future of the US -- this is what they meant.)

thanks

 

[armedoldhippy]

i would love to hear in depth how the democrats are communist. i would also love to hear how China is communist.

my position, which i can prove extremely easily, is that the democrats are a center right corporate capitalist party, otherwise known as neoliberal. and china, china quickly abandoned any semblence of a communist economy in favor of authoritarian state capitalism (which is the USA's future -- i'm sure all my conspiracy theorists out there remember when David Rockefeller said China is the model for the future of the US -- this is what they meant.)

thanks

right-wingnuts say that Democrats are "commies" or "socialists" because that is the only thing they know to use in an attempt to smear them in the eyes of voters. they know it is false, but that is all they have to use...

 

[theclearspot]

The Democrats are Liberals. They are now similar to the ‘ Social Market’ type of Liberalism. Neo-liberalism however is about the economic free market- this would be more in line with Reagan, for example. ie what the IMF try to force on developing nations.
China lost any pretence at ‘Communism’ a long time ago. They could be called ‘Technocratic Authoritarianism’ , this is interesting as I feel many western govts are moving in this direction, especially the UK, Turkey, CEE states .

 

[Gry]

Look back to our history of labor conflict. A pejorative used to target those who pushed for any change at all.
Curse the commies who fought for an 8 hour day, a 40 hour week, got rid of child labor, gave women the vote etc.
One of the largest strikes ever was when labor was told to deliver 9 hours of work for 8 hours of pay.
The boss owned the newspapers and the radio back then. Now they have the TV and the internet.
The biggest news: unions are evil.
Police unions being the sole exception.

 

[Hermanthegerman]

China and the american democratic party have nothing to do with communism. If I think deep enough, there never was communism on earth. It ever was social fascism and/or a dictatorship.

Maybe Cuba, had a little chance for a real libertarian experiement, but the USA drove them (Castro, Che) in Russias and Chinas arms.

As a german of my generation, I had learned my lesson. At one hand with 40 years German Democratic Republic.

Maybe Jesus was a communist? Isn´t the new testament not socialism pure?

 

[flylowgethigh]

Argue what this is called all day long, but you would be better served by looking at the loss of buying power and how you will deal with it. Hint: guv.mint handouts are not a sustainable way of dealing with a failed currency. Ole Herman should look back to the German Weimar daze for a glimpse into the future. The euro currency is also doomed.

We may see another succession movement in America, and the commies will probably call in the globalist UN, which will be wearing red uniforms, not baby blue ones.

Dope will always be a valuable commodity, start a grow. Debt is probably OK cause they will inflate that away. Gratz to the student loan bums who just got that big freebie, tough shit for the ones who paid. I want be black and get reparations moolahs. Can I identify and be OK? It is amazing that we can still buy PMs and get delivery.

The woman who used to clean my house has 2 masters degrees in BS, and $130K stud debt, cause she was living on the money. She has a $9/hr job closing down CVS stores in shithole cities. She wins.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

i would love to hear in depth how the democrats are communist. i would also love to hear how China is communist.

my position, which i can prove extremely easily, is that the democrats are a center right corporate capitalist party, otherwise known as neoliberal. and china, china quickly abandoned any semblence of a communist economy in favor of authoritarian state capitalism (which is the USA's future -- i'm sure all my conspiracy theorists out there remember when David Rockefeller said China is the model for the future of the US -- this is what they meant.)

thanks

I have a Chinese friend who said, at least 20 years ago, that China is more capitalist than the USA.

 

['Boogieman']

Democrats are the nanny state party in my eyes. China is mostly commie and a little capitalist. The amount of power the Chinese government has is downright scary, people disappearing for talking bad against their government in any form. Christians, Muslims, and other religious groups getting sent to camps/prisons for reeducation. It's even alleged that China made doctors and scientists disappear for exposing Covid 19, and considering what China has done in the past to cover up a bad situation (Google Wenzhou Train Collision) I believe it. All of this sounds very commie to me.

 

[St. Phatty]

It's fascinating.

Trump hands out $3 Trillion & nobody says anything.

Biden hands out $1.9 T and people FREAK.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WALCL

 

[flylowgethigh]

Don't listen to an old redneck, listen to an old lady. Either way, I m doing what I can to get ready.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNiHj-XDODg

Remember, I'm the guy who hasn't bought TP in over a year. I have plenty. I knew to stock up because of what happened in Venezuela. Pay attention. I am buying gold and seeds now.

 

[MallardDuck]

China is an authoritarian communist regime, they have state owned media, banks, and every square inch of land in China is owned by the government (You can own buildings but not the actual land.). Politically everything is still highly centralized... they have however transitioned some sectors to a market economy (capitalism).

As far as why Americans think the Democrat Party is Communist... I dunno maybe because of a lack of critical thinking skills being taught in school? Its a head scratcher.

 

[unclefishstick]

China is an authoritarian communist regime, they have state owned media, banks, and every square inch of land in China is owned by the government (You can own buildings but not the actual land.). Politically everything is still highly centralized... they have however transitioned some sectors to a market economy (capitalism).

As far as why Americans think the Democrat Party is Communist... I dunno maybe because of a lack of critical thinking skills being taught in school? Its a head scratcher.

is that french for smart phones made people dumb?

 

[MallardDuck]

is that french for smart phones made people dumb?

Nah its Swahili for "Where's the nearest carpet shop? I could eat a agitation."

Still working on my Swahili...

 

[Gry]

From a China Traveler
David Rockefeller 1973

Given China's vastness, it was only due to the remarkable thoughtfulness of our hosts that the six members of our Chase group were able to see and experience so much during just ten days in Peking, Sian, Shanghai and Canton. In terms of simple geographic expanse, a week and a half visit to China is something equivalent to trying to see New York City in less than one and a half minutes.
One is impressed immediately by the sense of national harmony. From the loud patriotic music at the border onward, there is very real and pervasive dedication to Chairman Mao and Maoist principles. Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose.

General economic and social progress is no less impressive. Only 25 years ago, starvation and abject poverty are said to have been more the rule than the exception in China. Today, almost everyone seems to enjoy adequate, if Spartan, food, clothing and housing. Streets and homes are spotlessly clean, and medical care greatly improved. Crime, drug addiction, prostitution and venereal disease have been virtually eliminated. Doors are routinely left unlocked. Rapid strides are being made in agriculture, reforestation, industry and education. Eighty per cent of school‐age children now attend primary school, compared with 20 per cent just twenty years ago.
Each step of the trip was choreographed precisely by our hosts and, though virtually all our requests were granted, we clearly saw what they wanted us to. Still, there was little sense of the constant security found in some other Communist countries. Issues such as Taiwan and Cambodia evoke strong positions, but conversation does not founder on ideological shoals. The Chinese seem so totally convinced of the correctness of their own world view that they do not feel they have to push it aggressively.Despite the constant impressions of progress, however, some gray areas and basic contradictions also emerged. Three major questions remain in my own mind.First, can individuality and creativity continue to be contained to the degree they are now in a nation with such a rich cultural heritage?

The enormous social advances of China have benefited greatly from the singleness of ideology and purpose. But a stiff price has been paid in terms of cultural and intellectual constraint. There are only eight different theatrical productions in the entire country. The universities are rigorously politicized, with little room for inquiry unrelated to Chairman Mao's thought. Freedom to travel or change jobs is restricted. When asked about personal creativity, one ceramics craftsman answered only that there was not time for individual art if the masses were to be served.

Second, will the highly decentralized Chinese economy be able to adapt successfully to expanded foreign trade and technological improvements?

Considering the problems to be overcome, economic growth in China over the last 25 years has been quite remarkable, with an annual average rise in gross national product of 4 to 5 per cent. For the 1971–75 period, this growth should range between 5.5 and 7.5 per cent a year. These results have depended largely on a wise emphasis on agriculture and a nationwide policy of decentralized, balanced industrial development. The industrial spread reflects strategic factors, the laborabundant nature of the country and inadequate transportation. There are, for instance, now only a handful of commercial jet airplanes in China, and flights are entirely dependent on weather conditions owing to limited guidance facilities common in most parts of the world.
Third, are we and the Chinese prepared to accept our very real differences and still proceed toward the closer mutual understanding that must be the basis of substantive future contact?
I fear that too often the true significance and potential of our new relationship with China has been obscured by the novelty of it all. Pandas and Ping‐Pong, gymnastics and elaborate dinners have captivated our imaginations, and I suspect the Chinese are equally intrigued by some of our more novel captitalistic ways.
In fact, of course, we are experiencing a much more fundamental phenomenon. The Chinese, for their part, are faced with altering a primarily inward focus that they have pursued for a quarter century under their current leadership. We, for our part, are faced with the realization that we have largely ignored a country with one‐fourth of the world's population. When one considers the profound differences in our cultural heritages and our social and economic systems, this is certain to be a long task with much accommodation necessary on both sides.
The social experiment in China under. Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history. How extensively China opens up and how the world interprets and reacts to the social innovations and life styles she has developed is certain to have a profound impact on the future of many nations.

 

[Montuno]

Democrats are the nanny state party in my eyes. China is mostly commie and a little capitalist. The amount of power the Chinese government has is downright scary, people disappearing for talking bad against their government in any form. Christians, Muslims, and other religious groups getting sent to camps/prisons for reeducation. It's even alleged that China made doctors and scientists disappear for exposing Covid 19, and considering what China has done in the past to cover up a bad situation (Google Wenzhou Train Collision) I believe it. All of this sounds very commie to me.

...Which sounds no different from what happened in other dictatorships that no one would "accuse" of being communist: Pinochet's Chile, Franco's Spain, the current Saudi Arabia...

To continue to confuse the false dilemma of democracy vs. dictatorship with capitalism vs. marxism, indicates how little real knowledge of the subject you have of the subject.
Both capitalism and Marxism in general (and communism in particular) can be both "exemplary" democracies and subhuman dictatorships. In my country, for example, both socialists and communists have always reached power democratically (and by the way, they now govern us in coalition).
My country was also the second in the world, only a few years more than a decade after the Soviet Union, in which Marxism came to power: but since it did it democratically, our example is not interesting.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

 

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[Montuno]

(...)
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The social experiment in China under. Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.(...)

I strongly disagree with what is highlighted in bold. The Maoist Cultural Revolution was condemned even by his own party later on.

 

[chilliwilli]

​​​​​​​Usa had mccarthy who did a really good job triggering the fears of the people.
it was more like 20 years after mccarthy we got kreisky in austria they called him the red emporer

 

[Montuno]

Since the separation of the Spanish and Austrian Empires, I am only superficially familiar with Austrian history, ...but Kreiski has a good reputation here, not only among the left. He is considered here as "the Austrian Palme or Brandt"...

Salud, chilliwilli

 

[armedoldhippy]

It's fascinating.

Trump hands out $3 Trillion & nobody says anything.

Biden hands out $1.9 T and people FREAK.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WALCL

well, Chump hands it out to rich people. of COURSE they freak out when "lesser" folks get some help. "what have THEY done to deserve any help? i OWN a business..."