COMMENT ON MY SOIL RECIPE

[growit1234]

Here is what Im thinking.....

Mixing all of this together in a 32 gallon trash can

10 gallons of soil (black soil from the area)
9 gallons of perlite
5 gallons of sand (probably from the bottom of a pond)
4 gallons of partially composted oak leafs and Pine needles
3 gallons of fully composted material (rich soil)
PLUS
3 cups bone meal
2 cups Blood mean
2 cups kelp meal
3 cups Bat guano N
3 cups batguano P
6 cups wood ash
6 cups rock phosphate
1 cup lime

Thats a final mixture of about 67% soil 28% perlite and 5% amendments.

 

[Guest]

don't know about the oak leaves and pine needles, they are both very acidic, may want to use a little more lime........

 

[packn2puff]

Remember to sterilize that soil if it is coming straight from outdoors...to kill the critters and such(this can be a pain in the ass) or you can take your chances. Like Stankbud said and maybe a little less guano if you got babies going in, maybe trade some of it for some worm castings. Soil pH should about 6.2-6.7 with enough dolomite lime to buffer it. You shouldn't need anything besides water for your mix for quite awhile. My two non-cents worth.

 

[Guest]

NO PINE NEEDLES or OAK LEAFS!

For indoor growing;

Pond Sand & local Soil can be full of un-wanted bugs - Sterilized soil is perfered

If U want to use sand - use Garden Sand it has some suflur in it

it also looks like to much N

U will need to ck Ur pH - in needs to be 6.5-7

I am now using a netural soil/bark mix by BALL = NO fert ADDS - pH 6.7-8

I mix it for how I need it - Grow - high N/P - transplant after sexing high K

 

[growit1234]

10 gallons of soil (black soil from the area)
9 gallons of perlite
5 gallons of sand (probably from the bottom of a pond)
4 gallons of partially composted oak leafs and Pine needles
3 gallons of fully composted material (rich soil)
PLUS
3 cups bone meal
2 cups Blood meal
2 cups kelp meal
3 cups Bat guano N
3 cups batguano P
6 cups wood ash
6 cups rock phosphate
1 cup lime

So what is a cheap black soil that is unfertilized and sterile

So I should use green sand instead of pond sand?

what if I eliminated the leaves and pine needles, and the bat guano and replaced them with earthworm castings . Would two gallons of castings be to much. I read that worm castings wont burn plants even if used in large amounts. I also want to use the maximum amout of kelp.

How much lime should I add? Should I use dolomitic?

 

[Guest]

IMO.....your good with just black gold.
Its already pre-mixed with excellent goodies....adding in all the other stuff on your list seems that it would be to damn rich.
I suggest just using Black gold and Pureblend and maybe adding in a supplement such as Liquid karma.

 

[Guest]

If I remember correctly from your other thread, this mix is for your outdoor grow correct? Then don't worry about sterilizing it, unless you got a problem with slugs or grubs. I'm pretty much ok with the mix you have except: would not add sand, the soil you're using will have sand in it already. Also would not use the wood ash or the phosphate, and I already mentioned the pine needles and oak leaves. The guano is not a problem with the amount you are mixing, unless you're setting out seedlings, in which case you may want to go out later in the season and scratch them in. Use all the worm castings you wanna, especially for seedlings. Also, if you can find some water retention crystals, throw a cup or so at the bottom of the hole as these will absorb water and be available to your plants if you get a dry spell. Have also heard of using diapers soaked to capacity to do the same thing, but I've never grown out since I was a kid on the farm, and have never tried that.

Good luck!! And did you know they have an outdoor growers section here? Might be you'd get better info from those experienced with this than in here.

 

[OHenry]

I'd save all that time and effort and grow with a soilless mix. :wink:

Having the ability to control the amount of nutrients in the soil is a huge advantage. Just my opinion. I've grown with many heavy nute/guano/fert/bone/fish/kelp/you-name-it mixes and have never had as good a result when only feeding through waterings. I'd suggest everyone try to grow this way @least once to see the benifits. My buds are prime-time examples of easy feeding! Later OH

*This is my opinion for an indoor mix anyways...

 

[Crazy Composer]

^^^I second that. :smile:

 

[Babbabud]

thread

thread

Perhaps a thread on the feeding schedule when using a soiless mix such as promix would be of great benifit. I am growing in this style but am far from being able to say I have it down enough to do a thread on it . Still feeling like it doesnt leave me alot to fall back on .

 

[nycnoob]

yeah..I pretty much hear a lot good things about soilless mixes..

 

[Guest]

^^^^
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=12285

if this mix is in relation to this thread posted by growit1234, then I don't know if a soilless mix will do the job outdoors, tho as I said, I don't do outdoors.

 

[growit1234]

This is for an outdoor grow. So soilless isnt what im going for. I want a very fertile soil with a balanced PH to reduce fertilizing through out the long grow.

 

[Guest]

Advance Nutirients - Heavy Havest line is for outdoor soil's

http://www.advancednutrients.com/new2/homeframe.html
(See product list)

Heavy Harvest Spring

Heavy Harvest is the Rolls Royce of fertilizers. It has been designed specifically for dichotomous short day plants grown outdoors. It is a system of 3 different fertilizers blended each with its own unique characteristics for the specific phase of growth the plant is in, each blend has its own time frame for use through out the growing season. No expense was spared in blending Heavy Harvest. Only the finest fertilizer ingredients have been used in Heavy Harvest. Heavy Harvest is pH buffered and contains all the essential macro and micro nutrients needed for explosive, lush, healthy growth of your plants.


(I have also moved to a netural soil-less bark mix)

 

[PHDTHC]

Most has been said. No Pine needles, though Oak leaves composted wouldn't pose any problems. Worm Castings can be used in a larger amount, I've never had any problems with them. You could stand a bit more lime and a lil less wood ash, in fact, unless the wood ash has composted for a year or so, I wouldn't use them at all.
But all in all, you are very close to a perfect soil for cannabis. Use high nitrogen Bat Guano for the soil mix, then I suggest Rainbow Mix with Mycorrhizae for the Bloom phase later on, added to the topsoil. Good Luck.
PHD

 

[Guest]

well

heres a little note to you

before you put your plants in

like at least 2 weeks minimum

if youre going to use bone or blood
you need to put them in the ground and just let the animals come to it because that smell will make weed eating animals come like flys to sugar so just let it go for two weeks and then plant after that

you're better off just getting soem bat guano, worm castings, seabird guano, kelp meal, and a whole lot of peatmoss and perlite and then a very very little amount of bone and blood if any at all throw in some epsom salt and dolomite lime to finish


too complex a soil that hasnt been composted for a long time really isnt that good even though on paper you may have a lot of nutes they're not really available.