Colorado Growers Thread

[BudGood]

Not surprising, I've seen infected clones go for exorbitant amounts, simply because of the name/hype associated with that cut.

If he goes the NPS route, make sure he shuts off his ventilation, needs to be able to rise to toxic (to the mites) levels. Keep animals and people away from the treated area while treatment is in process.

Depending on how bad they are, might wanna use multiple solutions. Azamax is a pretty good, what I call a "less toxic" type pesticide. If you want to declare all out war though, get some Forbid, Floramite, and Avid (they sell bundled packages on Ebay), although you'll probably only need one of them, but it's a very good thing to have them all, in case anything survives or comes back. I use the IPM principles (Integrated Pest Management), meaning I *NEVER* use the same pesticide twice (to prevent the critters from becoming resistant to any one product). I also will go from a "nuke" product, such as Forbid, Floramite, or Avid, to a "softer" pesticide, such as Azamax (azidirachtin extracted from neem) and Captain Jacks Deadbug Spray (spinosad, a soil bacterium discovered in a rum distillery's floor). Works for me, however YMMV.

Last time I had mites, I use Forbid first(@ full strength), then Azamax about 2 weeks later. I defoliated all heavily damaged leaves (this was in veg), and cleaned the room REALLY good with Physan20. I haven't seen not ONE mite since!

One more thing, if your friend decides to go thermonuclear, make sure he wears appropriate PPE. I used a Tyvek suit (10 bucks @ Home DePot), a cartridge respirator (also @ DePot), thick rubber gloves, and goggles. ONLY spray these in veg, and give them a few weeks before flipping to flower, partially to make sure all the pesticides work their way out, and partially to make sure the mites are completely dead. They're EASY to kill in veg, not so much in flowering...

Anywho, hope that helps.

Take care brother!

 

[merlot]

Not surprising, I've seen infected clones go for exorbitant amounts, simply because of the name/hype associated with that cut.

If he goes the NPS route, make sure he shuts off his ventilation, needs to be able to rise to toxic (to the mites) levels. Keep animals and people away from the treated area while treatment is in process.

Depending on how bad they are, might wanna use multiple solutions. Azamax is a pretty good, what I call a "less toxic" type pesticide. If you want to declare all out war though, get some Forbid, Floramite, and Avid (they sell bundled packages on Ebay), although you'll probably only need one of them, but it's a very good thing to have them all, in case anything survives or comes back. I use the IPM principles (Integrated Pest Management), meaning I *NEVER* use the same pesticide twice (to prevent the critters from becoming resistant to any one product). I also will go from a "nuke" product, such as Forbid, Floramite, or Avid, to a "softer" pesticide, such as Azamax (azidirachtin extracted from neem) and Captain Jacks Deadbug Spray (spinosad, a soil bacterium discovered in a rum distillery's floor). Works for me, however YMMV.

Last time I had mites, I use Forbid first(@ full strength), then Azamax about 2 weeks later. I defoliated all heavily damaged leaves (this was in veg), and cleaned the room REALLY good with Physan20. I haven't seen not ONE mite since!

One more thing, if your friend decides to go thermonuclear, make sure he wears appropriate PPE. I used a Tyvek suit (10 bucks @ Home DePot), a cartridge respirator (also @ DePot), thick rubber gloves, and goggles. ONLY spray these in veg, and give them a few weeks before flipping to flower, partially to make sure all the pesticides work their way out, and partially to make sure the mites are completely dead. They're EASY to kill in veg, not so much in flowering...

Anywho, hope that helps.

Take care brother!

Great info BudGood!

I can see you in there sprayin' in this:

 

[BudGood]

BWAHAHAHAHA! That picture isn't very far off!

 

[dragging hooks]

thanks for the tips, I'll pass them on complete with that photo
I only had them once years ago

don't know what phase his plants are in

I still like the idea of emptying the room
and starting with clean plants
and learning to cut clones so he never has them again

he has brought home other problems with store bought clones in the past
white mold??

I may only have two strains but I know I'm clean

 

[Snoopster]

I was luckier with clones bought out of the trunk of a car in a King Soopers parking lot than with dispensaries. My luck ran out last time. I got a teenager to squeeze a quick grow in before an extended vacation. It was infested. I tried to beat them back but ended up making bubble hash with the plant.

I just acquired a gang of seeds. The mothers will go to a friend with a sterile grow.
I'm going (mostly) old school (not abandoning the fancy sativas and hybrids, just expanding)

Blueberry (no offense to dj short, but real blueberry)
Northern Lights
Afghan (the building block of some of my favorites - we used to get landrace Afghani from a friend's uncle who brought it back in the 1970s. He lost the seeds/line in the 1990s when he flirted with sobriety. This is definitely a nostalgia pick)
NYCD I love this stuff, little dense grapefruit smelling nugs, no afternoon burnout like many hybrids/sativas. I don't know why I quit on this strain.
Aurora Indica Northern Lights x Afghan How can you go wrong? Not for the faint of heart.
Bubblegum I haven't had this in years. Why not? I loved it in the 1990s.

 

[Bi0hazard]

Out of all the products i've tried the only one sure to get ride of Spider Mites specifically is: Organicide

It's organic and you should be able to get it at any gardening store.

PS: like all pesticides and nutes USE HALF OF WHAT IS RECOMMENDED...

A buddy of mine just called
and tells me the clones he paid $15/per for
from a Fort Collins dispensary loaded up his grow room with spider mites.

(he's all state law OK after breaking his back a while back)

He asked me what to do

I told him to either get a no pest strip for $8 at King Soopers
or empty the room set off a bug bomb
and get free clean clones from me
and let me teach him how to cut his own clones

I can't believe they are charging $15 per for dirty clones

I think he's allowed 6 plants, 3 veg and 3 flower
plus 2 ounces of smokeable meds
I can set him up with that right way

3 Dutch Dragon plants plus a ounce
3 LSD plants plus a ounce

That's better than fooling around with neem oil, etc

 

[dragging hooks]

USE HALF OF WHAT IS RECOMMENDED...

that is probably the single best tip I have taken away from this forum
my plants have never been healthier than the past few months

 

[greenmatter]

Forbid or floramite will get rid of those bastards.

if you want those little fuckers GONE that stuff works. i try to go organic, but the borg and powdery mildew (both imported with clones) have opened my eyes to some problems.

i would rather use something that works and have to say i am sorry to mother nature than spend weeks getting my ass kicked fighting a losing battle.

 

[Stankie]

If you soak lavender flowers in water for 24-36 hours and spray that on your plants your spider mite problem will be gone.

No floramite, no forbid, no bug bombs, no other chemicals.

Actually it is illegal to use such chemicals on MMJ. Also completly and totally morally reprehensible unless you inform your 'patients' and they are ok with the risk.

 

[Bobby Stainless]

If you soak lavender flowers in water for 24-36 hours and spray that on your plants your spider mite problem will be gone.

No floramite, no forbid, no bug bombs, no other chemicals.

Actually it is illegal to use such chemicals on MMJ. Also completly and totally morally reprehensible unless you inform your 'patients' and they are ok with the risk.

 

[dragging hooks]

If you soak lavender flowers in water for 24-36 hours and spray that on your plants your spider mite problem will be gone.

No floramite, no forbid, no bug bombs, no other chemicals.

Actually it is illegal to use such chemicals on MMJ. Also completly and totally morally reprehensible unless you inform your 'patients' and they are ok with the risk.

I was suggesting using them in a empty room, no plants
then airing it out
Then me replacing his plants with clean plants
three in veg, three in flower

 

[Stankie]

LOL...

if it was illegal every dispensary in the state would be shut down..

Exactly why I don't go to dispensaries. Some people have serious, life threatening diseases they are using cannabis to help alleviate their pain and further their recovery. Further toxifying their bodies with chemicals not approved for human consumption is a choice some of us can't afford. I don't trust dispensary idiots, driven by profit instead of compassion with my medicine.

We mock that which we do not understand.

I suggest you research the subject a little more. Or stick to your chemicals. I could care less, to be honest.

 

[Moonshine*]

Sorry to hear of your loss DH. Your pup looks a lot like my Nik-Nik I lost a year ago. Good memories with that dog, best friend I ever had. Even stood between me and a Mtn Lion in 04'.

Moonshine

 

[Bobby Stainless]

We mock that which we do not understand.

I suggest you research the subject a little more. Or stick to your chemicals. I could care less, to be honest.

 

[dragging hooks]

Exactly why I don't go to dispensaries.

I am trying to get him off of those places
and set up with a clean grow, cutting his own clones
He has brought home one problem after another buying their clones

passed along your lavender fix as well as all the other suggestions

how he opts to deal with it is his call at this point
I have only had them once about 4 years ago
I went the gut the room and serialize it then start over with clean plants route

thanks for all your input Colorado growers
I knew I would get better cure suggestions here than in a general pest control thread

We haven't had any rain up here since Tuesday
I'm going to have to water this morning
(using up the last of the Earth Juice products on the flowers and veggies)

 

[303hydro]

Blueberry (no offense to dj short, but real blueberry)

 

[Snoopster]

 

[303hydro]

http://www.seedsman.com/ru/origins-of-blueberry/
..."the origins of Blueberry cannabis strains."


"Higland Thai
The Blueberry strain is without a doubt one of the most exquisite and colorful cannabis hybrids available in seed form today. The history of the strain takes us back to the West Coast of the United States sometime during the 1970’s, where a breeder named DJ Short was working on a multitude of exotic landrace sativas from places like Colombia, Panama, Mexico and Thailand. He was growing up to 100 plants at the time, both indoors and outdoors, on constant lookout for desirable traits in the individuals. Needless to say, he sampled a great number of plants until he found what he was looking for. In his own words, one plant out of one hundred grown carried the traits that he was looking for and then there was still the complicated matter of working with plants that are naturally prone to hermaphroditism, like most pure sativas are to some degree. His efforts would eventually yield fruit and give birth to some of the most highly regarded strains in the world today.

His extensive research led him to the discovery of two very special sativas. According to the master breeder himself, the first plant was a highly potent all-around champion, “Juicy Fruit” Highland Thai female. It packed a very sweet tropical punch and an intense high that lasted for many hours. The second plant was a Purple Thai out of Oregon, Ohio. This plant was a cross between an outstanding Highland Oaxaca Gold and a very freaky Chocolate Thai. The hybrid was very dark colored and would express a deep royal purple color at the slightest exposure to cold. The finished product was equally tasty and strong as the Juicy Fruit female. Although both plants were equally matched when it came to potency, the Purple Thai became DJ Short’s personal favorite. It was emotionally kinder than the Juicy Fruit Thai, which was so strong that it could in large doses evoke terror in the smoker. These two old school "Thai Stick" sativas make up the female pedigree of all the DJ Short strains.

The male that DJ Short used was an Afghani indica that was brought to his attention in 1979 by some growers from California. Although the indica plant was something of a novelty at that time when sativas ruled the grow rooms, it soon became apparent that the plant was here to stay. Growers could grow more herb that finished faster than before by combining the indica genes with old school sativas. In a way this also meant the end of the sativa dominant era that eventually lead to the disappearance of many pure sativa lines that either became hybridized or lost all together. The indica plants were very uniform, short and symmetrical, with thick hairy stems and wide leaf. They were dark green in color with tight, compact nodes and very dense floral clusters that packed an earthy and skunky aroma. The novelty soon wore off as the indica by itself was powerful but lacked the sophistication and complexity of the pure sativas. The indica plant did however contribute to the genetic diversity of modern cannabis plants, which allowed growers more control.


Oregon Purple Thai
Now with these plants in his repertoire, DJ Short applied his knowledge of breeding and created new floral lines using the three plants that he had discovered. Soon enough he established his two best known strains; namely Blueberry and Flo. Flo was discovered within the initial floral lines where the Oregon Purple Thai was crossed to the indica male. Working further along those lines, DJ Short created the Blueberry by crossing the earlier lines to Juicy Fruit/Afghani hybrids. This means that there is a little of both the sativa mothers in the Blueberry while there is only Purple Thai in the Flo. DJ Short himself explained that some traits were more accessible through the Purple Thai, while others could be found by further crossing the plant to the Juicy Fruit Thai hybrid. The Original Blueberry was bred towards an indica expression although a more sativa dominant plant was also worked on and later refined into what we today know as the Blueberry Sativa.

During the 1980’s and early 1990’s, DJ Short continued to perfect his already highly refined strains. Around 1993 he travelled to Europe to work for the Sagarmatha Seed Company. By 1995 he was supplying this company with seed stock both for sale and for breeding purposes. He was little involved in the selection process but had contracted this company to produce Blueberry, Flo and Blue Velvet; a cousin to the Blueberry that was an even expression of both the indica and sativa parents. Although Blue Velvet is no longer available, Sagarmatha still offer DJ Short’s creations under the names Blueberry Bud and Flow, as well as some more recent hybrids. The relationship with the company was brief and DJ Short moved on to work for another company, Dutch Passion.

DJ Short's Original Blueberry
DJ Short supplied Dutch Passion with seeds although he was for some reason left out of the selection process once again. On top of the older and established strains, he also created several new ones like Blue Heaven, Blue Moonshine and Purple Passion. Now out of stock, Blue Heaven was a very consistent purple variety, mostly sativa in its expression and with prominent medicinal qualities. Purple Passion was an indica/sativa hybrid that displayed beautiful blue and purple shades, with buds that turned lavender blue to aubergine in color during flowering. The beautiful colours of all DJ Short’s strains have become trademarks but also remind us of the exotic origin of all his strains. Today Dutch Passion still offer some of DJ Short’s masterful creations; namely Blueberry, Original Flo and Blue Moonshine, which is a wonderfully resinous and potent, mostly indica cousin to the Blueberry plant.

Around the same time as DJ Short was working with Dutch Passion he also got to know a Swiss breeder named Steve, who is also the owner of the Spice of Life seed bank. During the following years in 1999-2001 DJ Short started working together with Breeder Steve, selecting plants from a large pool and several new strains were born; namely Moonshine Rocket Fuel, Rosebud and Blue Satellite. Moonshine Rocket Fuel was a very potent hybrid, containing the best of Blue Moonshine and Blue Velvet. Rosebud on the other hand was a truly exceptional plant that was mainly grown for its wonderful aesthetic value but also for its amazing floral scent. This unique phenotype of Flo had tops that actually formed a rose bloom shape from leaves that turned bright red and then faded to yellow. There was very little harvestable bud on this plant, so it never made any commercial success although it was breathtakingly beautiful and highly exotic. Equally exotic was the Flodica, a rare and pure indica expression of Flo, found by chance in the true floral line. However intriguing these exotic varieties might have been, the best known strain to come from skilled hands of these two master breeders was, and is still, the Blue Satellite.

DJ Short's Blueberry Sativa
This is where the Blueberry Sativa comes into play. It was developed sometime in the early to late 1980’s and purely bred by DJ Short until he shared some seeds with Breeder Steve from the Spice of Life seed bank. Numerous mothers and fathers were selected and kept for breeding purposes and were eventually used to make the Blue Satellite strains by combining Breeder Steve’s Shishkeberry male to the Blueberry Sativa mother for the first version of the plant and his Sweet Tooth indica for the final versions. Breeder Steve also combined a variety of Blueberry plants that was given to him by DJ Short to some of his own strains, including his famous Sweet Pink Grapefruit and Sweet Skunk. He created many new strains that he still offers in seed form today. All of their joint projects have yielded wonderful plants that testify to the skill of these two breeders.

More recently, DJ Short has also worked with other highly skillful breeders like Red from Legend Seeds and Chimera, combining several different lines of the Blueberry plant to already well established strains. Many of the strains have the same Blueberry Sativa father, known only as B130. The B130 male was a an exceptional father, a very Purple Thai dominant sativa that has since then passed on and no longer exists, making some of their joint releases limited editions. Many of these strains combine highly refined genetics to the Blueberry, ranging from Neville’s Haze to Sweet Skunk to the original 20 year old Cali-O orange bud. All of these hybrids deserve a second look.

DJ Short's True Blueberry
The joint releases from Spice of Life, Legend Seeds and Chimera are far too many to mention here but some of the new strains require special attention. Like the Legends Ultimate Indica and DJ Short’s own True Blueberry and F-13. True Blueberry is a re-worked version of old Blueberry genes and the F-13 is considered the peak expression of the Blueberry Sativa and Flo. The Holy Grail of all DJ Short’s creations if you will and also his own personal favorite. Choosing between the Original and True Blueberry can be difficult but according to the master himself; both are equally potent and prone to color changes. The True Blueberry is called the ultimate hybrid of Blueberry expression, selected for its superior quality from a larger gene pool. Where the original Blueberry is mostly indica, this new hybrid contains the best from both worlds, and is both indica and sativa in expression. Although related, the True Blueberry was selected from different stock than the current Original Blueberry, and is slightly more productive. The Original Blueberry can be called a “Stretch-Indica”, in that she tends to stretch her nodes but her buds are very compact with larger calyx structure. The True Blueberry is more of a sativa bloomer on a indica looking plant. The bouquet of the original Blueberry is a more candy sweet and fruity smell while the True Blueberry has a higher nasal palate with anise undertones. Both plants are however exceptional in both scent and taste, thanks to the exotic stock used to create both strains. The high of the “True Blue” is also slightly more racy and cerebral than the narcotic, though not “couch-lock”, body stone of the original version. Naturally there is a range of plants to be found within either strain but one thing is certain; all of them will have long shelf life, improving with age like fine wine. The first version of the True Blueberry was also fathered by the now extinct B130 male and can therefore be considered a limited edition of this famous plant.

As you probably realize by now, all the work done by DJ Short on the initial floral lines as well as the Blueberry and Flo strains span over several decades and represent a great deal of expertise when it comes to selective breeding. Keeping track of the lineage of all the different strains quickly becomes difficult, if not impossible, since the parentage and genetic make up of certain strains have changed over the years. It is, however, certain that all the strains are of high quality and closely related to each other in one way or another. Some plants are siblings while others are distant cousins. Perhaps it is best to consider all of them as different representatives of the initial parental lines. Some lean towards the Purple Thai while other bear resemblance to the Juicy Fruit Thai, yet others express the indica heritage, sometimes in pure form or in combination with the sativas. Since different phenotypes can be discovered within each strain, it would take a lifetime to grow out all the possible plants that are waiting in the magical beans provided by DJ Short and the people that he has worked with. Close to 40 years of breeding experience speaks for itself. "

 

[dragging hooks]

The history of the strain takes us back to the West Coast of the United States sometime during the 1970’s, where a breeder named DJ Short was working on a multitude of exotic landrace sativas from places like Thailand.

I know first hand that there was tons of Thai weed
coming into northern California via Travis Air Force Base
in the 1970s as the air base in Thailand was shutting down.

Five or six C5a cargo aircraft a day were arriving from Thailand
and not all of the pallets were full of Air Force equipment

 

[Snoopster]

http://www.seedsman.com/ru/origins-of-blueberry/
..."the origins of Blueberry cannabis strains."

I am aware of that.
I was referring to the strain, not the man.