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Col 64 Private Co-Op?/Garden Group?
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stiflersmom
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What Hydro-Soil said, where do clones and seed come into all this? You're allowed to grow, but access to your genetics is still underground?
frito bandito
Member
when its legal i can 100% guarantee you are going to see at least one legal and licensed company pop up whose purpose is to sell clones to folks under the 3/6 plant limit. remember, if you have a license you can grow as many plants as you want.
Already been numerous caregiving cases well over 99 plants that have been dismissed/set precedent. Which is why he stated most DA's won't harass anyone under 99. They've found in states (other than Cali) that they by prosecuting they often lose and set further precedent. How this will affect the non-med scene is yet tbd. I will keep my patient status though.
Define: Grown
Paperwork to show that 'tender' has legal right to 'tend' part of person's crop. Reasons can be attributed to space, time, money restrictions... let's be creative and post what you come up with....
"Tended" plant is transported back to owner for 'finishing' under 400w hps or similar and harvested there.
Legal issues?
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Paperwork to show that 'tender' has legal right to 'tend' part of person's crop. Reasons can be attributed to space, time, money restrictions... let's be creative and post what you come up with....
"Tended" plant is transported back to owner for 'finishing' under 400w hps or similar and harvested there.
Legal issues?
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village green
Member
Hydro-Soil,
I like your creative pretzel logic. Watching how Colorado structured MMJ and how they largely avoided the California backlash, it seems to me they are definitely moving toward taking the money out of the subterranean system. If one wants to be a player one will have to be able to be a payer. They may chuckle while they slap your wrist but slap your wrist they will. They are not going to allow people who are not credentialed, at a dear price, to be making any money.
I like your creative pretzel logic. Watching how Colorado structured MMJ and how they largely avoided the California backlash, it seems to me they are definitely moving toward taking the money out of the subterranean system. If one wants to be a player one will have to be able to be a payer. They may chuckle while they slap your wrist but slap your wrist they will. They are not going to allow people who are not credentialed, at a dear price, to be making any money.
barnyard
Member
HS, please provide the provision in amendment 64 that allows for:
"Colorado resident over 21 signs paper authorizing them to care for their plants."
The amendment notes:
" (e) ASSISTING ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER IN ANY OF THE ACTS DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPHS (a) THROUGH (d) OF THIS SUBSECTION."
with the acts being referred to as:
Personal use of marijuana. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER PROVISION OF LAW, THE FOLLOWING ACTS ARE NOT UNLAWFUL AND SHALL NOT BE AN OFFENSE UNDER COLORADO LAW OR THE LAW OF ANY LOCALITY WITHIN COLORADO OR BE A BASIS FOR SEIZURE OR FORFEITURE OF ASSETS UNDER COLORADO LAW FOR PERSONS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER:
(a) POSSESSING, USING, DISPLAYING, PURCHASING, OR TRANSPORTING MARIJUANA ACCESSORIES OR ONE OUNCE OR LESS OF MARIJUANA.
(b) POSSESSING, GROWING, PROCESSING, OR TRANSPORTING NO MORE THAN SIX MARIJUANA PLANTS, WITH THREE OR FEWER BEING MATURE, FLOWERING PLANTS, AND POSSESSION OF THE MARIJUANA PRODUCED BY THE PLANTS ON THE PREMISES WHERE THE PLANTS WERE GROWN, PROVIDED THAT THE GROWING TAKES PLACE IN AN ENCLOSED, LOCKED SPACE, IS NOT CONDUCTED OPENLY OR PUBLICLY, AND IS NOT MADE AVAILABLE FOR SALE.
(c) TRANSFER OF ONE OUNCE OR LESS OF MARIJUANA WITHOUT REMUNERATION TO A PERSON WHO IS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER.
(d) CONSUMPTION OF MARIJUANA, PROVIDED THAT NOTHING IN THIS SECTION SHALL PERMIT CONSUMPTION THAT IS CONDUCTED OPENLY AND PUBLICLY OR IN A MANNER THAT ENDANGERS OTHERS.
So its not growing for the other person, it assumes the person is growing themselves but may be assisted by others and specifically notes a 6 plant limit!
But if there are multiple adult individuals on the premises, the premises is not limited to 6 plants.
So are you really going to have 15 room-mates?
"Colorado resident over 21 signs paper authorizing them to care for their plants."
The amendment notes:
" (e) ASSISTING ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER IN ANY OF THE ACTS DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPHS (a) THROUGH (d) OF THIS SUBSECTION."
with the acts being referred to as:
Personal use of marijuana. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER PROVISION OF LAW, THE FOLLOWING ACTS ARE NOT UNLAWFUL AND SHALL NOT BE AN OFFENSE UNDER COLORADO LAW OR THE LAW OF ANY LOCALITY WITHIN COLORADO OR BE A BASIS FOR SEIZURE OR FORFEITURE OF ASSETS UNDER COLORADO LAW FOR PERSONS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER:
(a) POSSESSING, USING, DISPLAYING, PURCHASING, OR TRANSPORTING MARIJUANA ACCESSORIES OR ONE OUNCE OR LESS OF MARIJUANA.
(b) POSSESSING, GROWING, PROCESSING, OR TRANSPORTING NO MORE THAN SIX MARIJUANA PLANTS, WITH THREE OR FEWER BEING MATURE, FLOWERING PLANTS, AND POSSESSION OF THE MARIJUANA PRODUCED BY THE PLANTS ON THE PREMISES WHERE THE PLANTS WERE GROWN, PROVIDED THAT THE GROWING TAKES PLACE IN AN ENCLOSED, LOCKED SPACE, IS NOT CONDUCTED OPENLY OR PUBLICLY, AND IS NOT MADE AVAILABLE FOR SALE.
(c) TRANSFER OF ONE OUNCE OR LESS OF MARIJUANA WITHOUT REMUNERATION TO A PERSON WHO IS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER.
(d) CONSUMPTION OF MARIJUANA, PROVIDED THAT NOTHING IN THIS SECTION SHALL PERMIT CONSUMPTION THAT IS CONDUCTED OPENLY AND PUBLICLY OR IN A MANNER THAT ENDANGERS OTHERS.
So its not growing for the other person, it assumes the person is growing themselves but may be assisted by others and specifically notes a 6 plant limit!
But if there are multiple adult individuals on the premises, the premises is not limited to 6 plants.
So are you really going to have 15 room-mates?
I still don't think there will be a need for any creativity or hiding for you guys in CO. A small amount of people will want to grow their own weed but most are going to buy it where ever they are allowed. it won't take much time before store weed is cheap and strong and most will be pleased with it.
after CO LEO get's adjusted to weed everywhere there will be no more breaking into your house at gunpoint to check how many plants you have.
You lucky bastards are going to have clone stores like Flowery Fields except with way more selection. home growers will most likely be assisted from services that resemble the computer "geek squad" type service who can walk you through the process if your a DIY type or just pop in a few time a week to do maintenance perhaps or spray for bugs.
they will have vans full of nutes and spare bulbs. fancy trim machines and dreaded hippy types who roll in for a few hours at harvest time to take care of the dirty work.
It will be a real pisser if the mmj industry shits the bed as soon as the legal retail gets going. the politics behind getting established in the "legal" state authorized sales will be interesting. some rich white guy is going to become the Coors of weed in your state.....
after CO LEO get's adjusted to weed everywhere there will be no more breaking into your house at gunpoint to check how many plants you have.
You lucky bastards are going to have clone stores like Flowery Fields except with way more selection. home growers will most likely be assisted from services that resemble the computer "geek squad" type service who can walk you through the process if your a DIY type or just pop in a few time a week to do maintenance perhaps or spray for bugs.
they will have vans full of nutes and spare bulbs. fancy trim machines and dreaded hippy types who roll in for a few hours at harvest time to take care of the dirty work.
It will be a real pisser if the mmj industry shits the bed as soon as the legal retail gets going. the politics behind getting established in the "legal" state authorized sales will be interesting. some rich white guy is going to become the Coors of weed in your state.....
You just quoted it yourself in the next paragraph. It's a 'legal' issue.
This is the main issue right here.
I'M NOT POSTING THIS AND FOLLOWING THIS LINE OF REASONING FOR MAKING A PROFIT! You ninny's.
I'm simply trying to make it as easy as possible for everyone to have access to high quality cannabis. Not everyone will have the time/space/means necessary to grow their own... and this doesn't mean they'll be interested in crappy commercial products as a solution.
Say I'm Joe Public CPA... doing the taxes of my fellow socialists for 60-70 hours a week. Between my job and my family of a wife and 3 kids, plus the dog, I don't have time for anything.
Add into that that I only have room for a 400w light to veg some plants and... Gee, I need some help.
Go, Go section E! I sign a hardship, power of attorney, whatever legal paper that states the reasons I'm getting 'assistance' and the location of the plants being 'matured'.
A week before they're ready to harvest, I go and pick them up, throw them under my 400w light in a locked room, and when they're ready... I trim it all and store the harvest at my house.
All parts of the amendment have been followed. All the provisions are in there. I'm just looking for someone in the legal field to see it too and show us how to write it up.
Roommates suck. *shrug* I just want people to be able to grow the best cannabis they can and have their neighbors be able to take advantage of that as well.
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barnyard
Member
If it really works out that way HS that would be great. But my reading of the amendment is that there is no provision for a person "signing over" their 6 plants to be grown at another location.
the "Assisting another person" clause releases others from being an accomplice if they are aware of or participate in the grow...it does not mean growing plants for another person at another location. I'd luv to be wrong, but I think time will tell that I'm not. In fact let's check back on this one.
the "Assisting another person" clause releases others from being an accomplice if they are aware of or participate in the grow...it does not mean growing plants for another person at another location. I'd luv to be wrong, but I think time will tell that I'm not. In fact let's check back on this one.
The medical law takes care of growing for those that are unable to.
Legal cannabis is for those 21 and over to grow there own. There are already plant numbers and weight limits under the med law, which remains in place.
The new legal law, grow your 3 flowerin plants, keep all your weight don't leave the house with more then a zip.
Your not goin to be able to coop under 64, if your thinking of cashin in on ganji here in CO, you missed the boat the past few years.
Legal cannabis is for those 21 and over to grow there own. There are already plant numbers and weight limits under the med law, which remains in place.
The new legal law, grow your 3 flowerin plants, keep all your weight don't leave the house with more then a zip.
Your not goin to be able to coop under 64, if your thinking of cashin in on ganji here in CO, you missed the boat the past few years.
Really? Joe CPA with no time to grow for themselves is covered under medical? That's funny.
You haven't been reading the thread.
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monsoon
Active member
I know you don't agree Hydro.... but I think the definition of "renumeration" and the specific note/use of THAT word in the Amendment takes care of any/all possibilities of collective grows...unless...there is no money exchanged WHATSOEVER....which would be a challenge (to hide).
Charging for consultation...of fees for >any< goods, services/etc. are considered "renumeration"
re·mu·ner·a·tion
Noun
Money paid for work or a service.
Synonyms
reward - recompense - compensation - payment - pay
Folks have mentioned "non-profit" organizations...but money still revolves inside such organizations and wages can be paid...so such a designation more than likely won't fly as well.
Bottom line...the intent of the law is for you to grow your own...or to legally be able to go over and water your neighbors on THEIR property (assist in growing) when they are on vacation/etc......
It doesn't mean that the right to grow is automatically transferrable if you decide you can't/don't want to grow your own. THAT is why there's a retail provision in the law.
it will be interesting to see how all of this is approached....
Charging for consultation...of fees for >any< goods, services/etc. are considered "renumeration"
re·mu·ner·a·tion
Noun
Money paid for work or a service.
Synonyms
reward - recompense - compensation - payment - pay
Folks have mentioned "non-profit" organizations...but money still revolves inside such organizations and wages can be paid...so such a designation more than likely won't fly as well.
Bottom line...the intent of the law is for you to grow your own...or to legally be able to go over and water your neighbors on THEIR property (assist in growing) when they are on vacation/etc......
It doesn't mean that the right to grow is automatically transferrable if you decide you can't/don't want to grow your own. THAT is why there's a retail provision in the law.
it will be interesting to see how all of this is approached....
I believe you're going to be correct on this one... at least at first.
Yes, the term non-profit is almost always misunderstood by the masses.
The good thing is... there are going to be a lot of people that will push this first, before I touch it. LOL I've already got my hands full for the next few years.
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monsoon
Active member
IMO...folks need to hunker down...grow as much as they can.....and then make sure all of their friends are covered/hooked up/NOT going into any of the "retail" shops --- IF they come online at all.
And just as it has always been...I'm of the belief that yer asking for trouble by growing with "partners". Shit WILL go wrong. Folks WILL try to take advantage of others. Folks WILL open their mouth about the garden's location/etc....
time will tell!
And just as it has always been...I'm of the belief that yer asking for trouble by growing with "partners". Shit WILL go wrong. Folks WILL try to take advantage of others. Folks WILL open their mouth about the garden's location/etc....
time will tell!
You know that there will be commercial operations that will open up rental grow-booths...
No matter what happens... it's going to be VERY interesting. LOL
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OVERGROW COLORADO!!!!
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No matter what happens... it's going to be VERY interesting. LOL
Hickendoofer signed it in today... "It goes live at midnight"!!
OVERGROW COLORADO!!!!
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so i have been checking out google earth and zillow and this is all i have come up with...
san luis valley acre for $1000-10,000
a trailer $2000-20,000
and a greenhouse $500-5,000
indoors is now to much money and outdoor yield will be to far past 1 oz limit, some solutions - hash trailer park
sam skunkmans 1% yield of 99% gland heads is about to get a lot of attention. so 100 lb of flowers will give me 1 lb of AAA+ hash(whos genetics?)
tom hills massive outdoor tree technique yields how much at max? up to 30 lbs? what about in a green house? how big of a greenhouse would you need? for 3 plants? what about 96?
the problem is the one person-three plant limit and a 1 oz max weight travel. so the shortest path is the biggest plants and most concentrated thc but it seems these would each have to be grown on individual property. a way to have multiple residence would be a trailer park. this would also allow for somebody to 'leave' if it wasn't for them. gated secure community with full RV hook ups and a greenhouse on each plot.
the whole 'everybody put money in for a partnership' is such a hard plan to pull off, power of attorney will not solve some problems. providing the opportunity for someone with the aspirations works only when you let them weed the weak ones out. its basically ice road trucking or axe men etc etc you get your truck up there with a trailer, you work, you reap your reward - here is the framework, if youre not cut out you quit, your loss.
what i think a lot of people are going to be really surprised at is the quality of breeding that is going to come out of people you have never even heard of and somebody who might not even smoke weed. a whole lot of pollen chuckers will turn up at first but some true underdogs will stand out. at the same time the big hitters now will solidify their names. the cannabis luther burbank may not have smoked weed yet, or, he lived 500 years ago...
san luis valley acre for $1000-10,000
a trailer $2000-20,000
and a greenhouse $500-5,000
indoors is now to much money and outdoor yield will be to far past 1 oz limit, some solutions - hash trailer park
sam skunkmans 1% yield of 99% gland heads is about to get a lot of attention. so 100 lb of flowers will give me 1 lb of AAA+ hash(whos genetics?)
tom hills massive outdoor tree technique yields how much at max? up to 30 lbs? what about in a green house? how big of a greenhouse would you need? for 3 plants? what about 96?
the problem is the one person-three plant limit and a 1 oz max weight travel. so the shortest path is the biggest plants and most concentrated thc but it seems these would each have to be grown on individual property. a way to have multiple residence would be a trailer park. this would also allow for somebody to 'leave' if it wasn't for them. gated secure community with full RV hook ups and a greenhouse on each plot.
the whole 'everybody put money in for a partnership' is such a hard plan to pull off, power of attorney will not solve some problems. providing the opportunity for someone with the aspirations works only when you let them weed the weak ones out. its basically ice road trucking or axe men etc etc you get your truck up there with a trailer, you work, you reap your reward - here is the framework, if youre not cut out you quit, your loss.
what i think a lot of people are going to be really surprised at is the quality of breeding that is going to come out of people you have never even heard of and somebody who might not even smoke weed. a whole lot of pollen chuckers will turn up at first but some true underdogs will stand out. at the same time the big hitters now will solidify their names. the cannabis luther burbank may not have smoked weed yet, or, he lived 500 years ago...
monsoon
Active member
A couple of things to consider....
San Luis Valley = barren-dry-no water-windy-conservative, and well below 0F every night in winter.
Many parcels of land have no access. Just because they show there's a road on the plat map doesn't mean it was ever built TO the property. Land is cheap in the San Luis and there is a reason for it.
Just so you know....if you own below 35 acres in CO you will more than likely NOT be legally allowed to use water other than for household use INDOORS. No garden...no greenhouse. To water outside requires the Water right to do so and you aren't going to buy that for a few thousand an acre or find such a liberal right linked to a small 1-5 acre property without it costing an arm and a leg. Certainly not in the San Luis. Those properties are all DRY.
The law isn't written to allow for collective grows. Folks THINK they're gonna get away with it, but the State will make sure they can't when they set the true parameters of the law in place via their "Board of Experts". You don't want partners anyway. Always a bad move.
and even if you could do it, there's not much of a market here for weed, at least not at the prices you may be getting if you are still in an "illegal" state. Legal means NO MONEY.
good luck
San Luis Valley = barren-dry-no water-windy-conservative, and well below 0F every night in winter.
Many parcels of land have no access. Just because they show there's a road on the plat map doesn't mean it was ever built TO the property. Land is cheap in the San Luis and there is a reason for it.
Just so you know....if you own below 35 acres in CO you will more than likely NOT be legally allowed to use water other than for household use INDOORS. No garden...no greenhouse. To water outside requires the Water right to do so and you aren't going to buy that for a few thousand an acre or find such a liberal right linked to a small 1-5 acre property without it costing an arm and a leg. Certainly not in the San Luis. Those properties are all DRY.
The law isn't written to allow for collective grows. Folks THINK they're gonna get away with it, but the State will make sure they can't when they set the true parameters of the law in place via their "Board of Experts". You don't want partners anyway. Always a bad move.
and even if you could do it, there's not much of a market here for weed, at least not at the prices you may be getting if you are still in an "illegal" state. Legal means NO MONEY.
good luck
Whatever...
I believe the purpose of this thread has been filled.
Currently I'm busy working with friends and neighbors to teach all of colorado how to grow. I highly suggest everyone else do the same.
Not sure, but I believe I've seen parcels of 20-35 acres around here (South Park) with water rights(have to drill your own well)... around 8-15K$, depending on location. They're off-grid as well. Looking for one with a southern facing slope and places to put ponds for pressurized irrigation.
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I believe the purpose of this thread has been filled.
Currently I'm busy working with friends and neighbors to teach all of colorado how to grow. I highly suggest everyone else do the same.
Not sure, but I believe I've seen parcels of 20-35 acres around here (South Park) with water rights(have to drill your own well)... around 8-15K$, depending on location. They're off-grid as well. Looking for one with a southern facing slope and places to put ponds for pressurized irrigation.
Stay Safe!
