Coffeeshops and the terrible public smoking ban.

[Farmer John]

So, all you people over there, whats going to happen? It already started here now I cant even smoke my fucking cigarette while serving alcohol to people, fuckin sucks goatballs ( Not yours Billy ) argh im so angry. They just could have asked it straight from the people who run small places like where I work for example, sales dropped and people left to bigger shitholes where you still can smoke, they should have just fucking asked if one wants to keep his bar non-smoking or yes-smoking lmao what a wonderful world, now I smoke WEED at the backdoor and spend most of my time at the terrace smoking cigs, fuck off politricks and politrickians, if I cant have my cigarettes then I smoke weed where I want to, you cant jail me for life fuckers.

 

[Farmer John]

Anyone know whats going to happen?

 

[Z10N]

the real question is why would you want to smoke those cancer-sticks in the first place??? if you want to smoke it you have every right to do so, but why all the nonsmokers have to inhale it too? and not to mention you make everyone near you smell like cigarets too.....that's not cool..
I hate going to bars and coming back home reeking of cigarets *YAK!*.
but hey if you'll smoke a fatty near me - get ready to share lol!
I dont mind some sweet cheeba

 

[EddieShoestring]

i totally agree with you Farmer J-soon me and the guys are going to have to spend half of our working day standing outside in the street smoking weed;our productivity is going to plummit as we won't be there half the time-we may upset or intimidate members of the public and run the risk of blocking a pedestrian thouroughfare-we will irritate the cops coz they will smell it but won't be arsed to get funny about it coz its soooo trivial. The 'irony' of it is that now if i'm smoking a spliff i'm more likely to get nicked for the tobacco than the weed

not sure but have heard that coffeeshops are going to have to install some type of plastic screens to segregate smoking /non smoking areas-

eddie

 

[Guest]

Tobacco sucks in all ways. It is useless, addictive, and dangerous beyond belief. You are being used by the money-grubbing, health-snubbing, horribly corrupt tobacco companies. If you smoke...? Quit.

Smoke Organic Pot. Pure.

 

[Guest]

Did they start the fingerprinting thing yet? Supposed to start this summer, I thought I read somewhere.

 

[Queso]

i believe they have.. but not in amsterdam.. and its not that big of a deal from what i understand Beacon...

and as far as the smoking ban... i think it'll mess things up for a bit, but someone somewhere will find a way to make it work just right, and everyone will be able to do what they want. Having a smoking section in the bar or restaurant isnt that bad, its what we have where i live already... plus all the patio's will be full!!!!

 

[Farmer John]

Ok guys im not that worried about not smoking cigs in bars but when do they ban weed and coffeeshops is what im most interested about, because thats what happens next....and hell, it's my own business what I smoke and yes icy I do smoke a lot of good herb and have no problem with that but in a free world people should have the right to do whatever they want and those that dont like smoking in bars vcan always go to a bar where its banned, that simple, this just starts to feel like we are living in soviet union, next step is to make tobacco illegal to produce, sell and use, just like cannabis, thats my point, you think its going to get any better if they already plan to have a ban on selling tobacco and using it? Think about what'll happen to cannabis then, totally illegal and then it sure would go in the same category as heroin, thats what im thinking about, and that soon there'll be no smoking anywhere-even coffeeshops.

 

[Farmer John]

And please no more antitobacco bullshit please, no need for that and btw smoking weed isnt any healthie, matter of fact smoking anything is dangerous but of course Philip Morris and friends use a lot more chems in their product than dutch commercial growers or me but that doesnt mak eit any safer to smoke weed, smoking anything is bad for you.... I just want to have the cold facts about what happens to coffeeshops in netherlands.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Finland just followed the general smoking ban that spreads over Europe. It's hard to say what will happen, the EU policy is certainly to restrict tobacco use gradually over time, and alcohol will probably go the same way.
The reason for this is that it costs tax payers astronomical amounts of money to hospitalize and take care of all the people with health problems due to drinking and smoking.
Nevertheless, governments also make a shitload of money on taxing cigarettes and booze, so they're not rushing towards a total ban.

I believe we will eventually find ourselves in a situation where cigarettes and alcohol have a similar status to Cannabis (in many countries). It will be overlooked as long as you don't do it openly.

Public smoking ban suits me fine, I can finally spend an evening in bar or a club without getting respiratory problems and runny eyes, and I don't have to wash my clothes the day after because they stink of cigarette smoke.
Finally, Tobacco smokers get a feel of what it's like being a Cannabis smoker.
You want your fix? Then do it at home, or where it doesn't bother anyone.

I also wonder what will happen to the Dutch coffeeshops. But Holland is making conciderable amounts of money on the Cannabis tourism, so I believe they will go soft on the smoking ban, and try to find a compromise-solution.

 

[Farmer John]

"also wonder what will happen to the Dutch coffeeshops. But Holland is making conciderable amounts of money on the Cannabis tourism, so I believe they will go soft on the smoking ban, and try to find a compromise-solution." yeap, but looking at the past few years theres less and less coffeeshops every year as far as I know and theyre not making it very easy to keep such a place anyway...I have to admit that it is nice that now my clothes dont smell like tobacco but it sure did make most of our customers go away, government didnt ask how many of our customers smoke (99%) and looking at the stats it seems like about 90% of us finnish people smoke and drink and love doing at the same time and now that they cant...well, they stay home, get wasted at home and go on the streets and bars to do what they can best: fight. So, maybe alcohol and tobacco arent the healthiest drugs on earth but they are almost the only ones that are allowed to use everywhere and people have got used to it and last time I checked they have the right to do so...and they didnt ask our customers if they want to have the bar smokeless, most of the customers are gone and havent seen any of these nonsmoking people there anyway.

 

[Farmer John]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Rosy Cheeks again. That was a good post RC!!!

 

[Guest]

its funny how people hate on tobacco. calling it useless, etc.

tell that to the native americans. the natives knew that tobacco needed to be respected, plain and simple. if you don't respect it, it will not respect you!

tobacco has unique attributes different from weed. it has been used traditionally to communicate with the Spirit. neways, i think most people abuse tobacco in the states because they were never told how to use it right. i'm reading a book on this...but there is also another site on the net that talks about some of this...

http://www.ellensburg.com/~watersll/magic.htm

I read this site and started smoking in this way, to connect with Spirit... and I had zero problems with tobacco usage...and quit abruptly when i wanted to...havne't gone back to smoking really since.

I also smoked mainly orgnaic, but definitely non-additive cigrattes...which is what the indians smoked. There is supposedly research that shows when the indians started smoking commercial cigarettes they started having cancers and such...but before smoking commerical tobacco, they didn't really have any problems.

THINK!

 

[Guest]

Why avoid it.... Tobacco smoke is poisonous on many levels.... MJ smoke is not.


I hear a mention that mJ is just as harmful as tobacco...??????

Sorry, but no. If that were the case I would not indulge.

Someone once told me, when I did both, many many moons ago: "You cannot smoke both tobacco and MJ regularly and live a quality life." In other words, a lack of life. In other words, _________.

The heart cannot stand tobacco, especially processed cigarettes, etc.

Nothing worse than smelling crappy smoke while eating, drinking, breathing.
That is the ONE thing that mars the lustre of incredible Europe. Otherwise, cultural paradise for me. Civilized ways so different that the Amerikan system lately.

I grew up in a family of two smokers, who were unaware (bless them, it was the times, and the Midwest), and I ended up in the hospital with acute - serious - life threatening issues ( in my early thirties ) that I was able to beat by being an angel for years, and going vegan for 8 more, but trust me, no one wants to go through all that, no one.

It was most easily attributable to the carcinogens in the air.


I say BAN IT. It is a police state thing that keeps tobacco in the market...!
A heinous addiction.

Who wants to vicitmize others' health...? That is the result. I would call that someone Removing-My-Freedom, actually. Demanding that I breathe cancer, because they are unable to quit, or wait until they are not blowing the posion on others.

No hating here, really, I was one big smoker, and I know how hard it is to quit. Perhaps, without the health issue, I would be puffing away, right now, and advocating my right to do so. But 4 days in ICU is not a nice concept.

FACT: Lo Siento, but Tobacco is poison to those who indulge, and those around them. That is why it must be fought. There is realistically, past the addiction, no argument. ( Once an activist, always an activist )

 

[Farmer John]

"I hear a mention that mJ is just as harmful as tobacco...??????"

Anything you smoke will harm you one way or another, im not saying that cannabis is as poisonous as tobacco, actually it isnt poisonous at all or very little if at all, but smoking it isnt much healthier than smoking grass from your lawn or leafs fro ma tree or tobacco, smoke anything and you will have problems, eating/using cannabis or nicotine in someway else than smoking is a whole lotta different thing. And anyone ever thought about how much safer it would be to smoke your homegrown tobacco? Cant be as harmful as commercial shit with all the chemicals added.

 

[Farmer John]

And to get back on track HOW MUCH LONGER UNTIL WE CANT SMOKE CANNABIS IN COFFEESHOPS? Thats what im interested about, I think we all know how dangerous tobacco is, lets not go to the direction this thread is about to go, same as if we were talking if President Bush is a good guy or not, some like him, some not and he sure is dangerous to all mankind.

 

[EddieShoestring]

this just starts to feel like we are living in soviet union

smoking was never banned in public places in the USSR and isn't in present day Russia-i think the whole namby pamby banning smoking in resturants-bars/pubs-even in your own fucking car is an American import

 

[Breezy420]

I think its ignorant beyond belief to think that you should have the right to endanger other peoples health. Smoking bans are a good thing imo. If you want to kill yourself, do it on your own time in a place that wont effect me...like outside.

 

[THCzr]

lots of places banning smoking these days, sucks i know... i am not even a smoker and i can't fucking stand the smoke ban.

if i wanna go out with friends, they all want to go to smoking bars now, and they tend to be farther away, thus increasing chances of DUI or other traffic violation on the way home..... and if we go to a non smoking bar it's every 5 minutes that all my friends get up and go outside, while im pretty much left there holding down the table by myself.

very lame imo..... just another way for the man to control us.... since they are so "concerned" about our health and all...... LOL.... Right...

THC

 

[Guest]

And to get back on track HOW MUCH LONGER UNTIL WE CANT SMOKE CANNABIS IN COFFEESHOPS? Thats what im interested about, I think we all know how dangerous tobacco is, lets not go to the direction this thread is about to go, same as if we were talking if President Bush is a good guy or not, some like him, some not and he sure is dangerous to all mankind.

Hang in there FJ, I feel what ya sayin, don't think the lungs were made for ANY smoke long term, no matter what level of saturations you are giving them. Having said that, I have a relative that quit smoking 30 yrs ago, and passed last year due to lung cancer, partially attributed to that, and another relative that has smoked a pack a day for I bet 60yrs, and she still kicking, just had bunch of tests run, and not one problem, go figure.

Now back on topic, I don't care if FJ smokes cigs, if I don't like it, I leave, or I put up with it, being respectable in a public place and all, and I don't smoke cigs, only herb. Have tried the cigs, can't do it. But like tha man said, with the fingerprinting thing and now the smoking ban thing, how much longer before some other modification things happen..?!(damn, I knew I shoulda went to the Dam last fall, when plane fares were cheap and the rules hadn't set it yet.LOL)