grassott's dad
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I disagree. If you water daily til run off in a 2g bucket (especially during the early veg stage and/or cold temps) you risk keeping the coco too water logged (great for certain bugs, mold etc).
Not good IME.
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Not good IME.
Question. When you put new nutrients into the hemp bucket.
Do you put enough so you have a bit of runoff (so you know the rez is full), or do you put way more to flush out whatever is left in the old rez.
When you make the bucket itself. Should it be perlite for the rez, then perlite coco mix, then just coco? Or just perlite for the rez, and the rest coco.
Do you put enough so you have a bit of runoff (so you know the rez is full), or do you put way more to flush out whatever is left in the old rez.
When you make the bucket itself. Should it be perlite for the rez, then perlite coco mix, then just coco? Or just perlite for the rez, and the rest coco.
WRONG!!!!!!
Can't over water coco.
You obviously haven't tried it, therefore your "opinion" is meaningless. It works. You have no idea what you are talking about. It's a hydro medium and hydro system. Hydro means continuous watering. So please enlighten us as to exactly what "bugs" this is "great for
". You can't because there are none. Get a clue before posting nonsense. If it didn't work, I wouldn't post it.
Water 'till runoff to flush out "old" solution and re-oxygenate solution. Chunky perlite rez, then straight coco.
Normal solo cup, with holes in the bottom. Use a transparent/translucent cup so you can see root growth. Use Miracle Grow or Fox Farms Seed Starter Mix for best results. When cup is full of roots, transplant to coco. Seed starter mix is a light mix with sphagnum peat moss and Mycorrhiza and a very mild nutrient solution. I have found this to give seeds their best start.
The mycorrhizal fungi colonize the root system and are extremely beneficial to the plant, increasing nutrient uptake.
Also, seedlings grow better under full intensity light, ie, metal halide, but keep it high above them. That way they don't stretch and develop strong stems.
grassott's dad
Member
I'm not the one coming into hempy's thread telling people to do things differently.
Mate, just because someone disagrees with you there's no need to get fresh.
IME I have seen, on a small number of occasions, white little crawly things in a see thru cup of wet coco. I have also seen mold on the surface of coco too.
I have, with my very own eyes, witnessed a side by side and the hb which was fed every day til run off lost by a mile. Must have been because the coco remained too wet, amongst other things. The coco often looked rather mushy, especially in the early stages of veg and at colder room temps.
If you want to water every day then fine but don't tell me what I've seen or haven't seen. I've posted big pics of hb plants and guess what? They wasn't watered every day.
Born Loser
Member
No shit brother! Ive seen tons of insects AND cases of root rot in coco. .
I posted this in the 'official' hempy thread as well, but as an afterthought, figured this is actually where I shoulda posted it..
Finally did it.. after spending a long time reading thru this entire thread, I set up my first hempy pot.. I'm going to go forward with them for the rest of the year.. I do a perpetual which I'm just restarting after a devastating bug infestation.. hopefully I've beaten the borg.. I used a 2 gallon bucket with 2 inches of coarse perlite and the rest was filled with VandeZwaan (House and Garden)coco.. this is one of the nicest coco's I've used.. very nice consistency and did not require any pre-use flushing. The only thing different about my venture into this is the size of the plant that went into the bucket. It was a 14" tall fairly well developed clone. The composition of the 'soil' the clone was in was primarily coco anyway.. I think I'll be ok.. wish me luck!!
mgk
Finally did it.. after spending a long time reading thru this entire thread, I set up my first hempy pot.. I'm going to go forward with them for the rest of the year.. I do a perpetual which I'm just restarting after a devastating bug infestation.. hopefully I've beaten the borg.. I used a 2 gallon bucket with 2 inches of coarse perlite and the rest was filled with VandeZwaan (House and Garden)coco.. this is one of the nicest coco's I've used.. very nice consistency and did not require any pre-use flushing. The only thing different about my venture into this is the size of the plant that went into the bucket. It was a 14" tall fairly well developed clone. The composition of the 'soil' the clone was in was primarily coco anyway.. I think I'll be ok.. wish me luck!!
mgk
I am not telling you to do anything differently. You can do anything you want. Part of the beauty of Hempys is the versatility. You can water every day or every third day. Up to you. But, if you are looking for maximum yield, water every day for the fresh oxygen. Because you had bugs in your coco, doesn't mean they were caused by water. You can get bugs in any medium, including coco. But it sounds like you were using crappy coco, or coco that was re-used too many times and started to break down into "mush". The water is not the cause of the bugs you had. That just doesn't make sense. I have done enough coco runs to know the difference and to see the benefits of daily watering. The hole in the Hempy bucket means you can't over water it, as any excess water will be forced out. Use premium, fresh coco to avoid your "mush" issues. It's a hydro medium, and a hydro system. When you water 'till run off, it means, by definition, saturating the coco. Otherwise, there would be no run off.
That won't be a problem. It'll be fine. I start in sphagnum and then transplant to coco. Good luck!
grassott's dad
Member
Well I got my mate to follow your instructions re daily waterings and his plant failed compared to the one that was watered as need. He never used "shit/reused" coco as you are guessing right now. FYI he dont reuse his coco, it was canna coco professional and he aint changing it for anybody. So because he tried your daily waterings and causing his plant to fail, you're now blaming it on his canna pro coco, when the other plants that never went through daily watering used the same coco brand and thrived? Doesn't make sense.
You have good experience with daily watering and we've had a shit experience and won't be doing daily waterings again unless we grow a strain that requires is. Let's leave it at that.
grassott's dad
Member
So have the most of us. Thanks for admitting it. Even Hempy's had bugs in his coco. He describes them as squatters in one of his posts lol
Just follow hempy's instructions in the very first post of the "official" thread and you wont go wrong.
Do you plan on lst or topping the clone?
Good luck
I've been running coco for the past 3 years without a single incident of either root rot or any substrate born bugs.
mgk
Haha!, that's a load of crap GD!! I never had a prob when I first did daily waterings. Daily waterings after first week, and she'll for sure blow up! I've done it both ways, and the growth of daily watering sure beats the hell out watering every third day. It is still a bucket with the hole in the side-a HEMPY bucket! I do every other day sometimes in veg-but that is because the growth is so fast!, daily watering in flower though. All Retro is trying to say is: for maximum benefit in a Hempy bucket-daily waterings are the best way to achieve that. If it is convenient to do daily waterings-then you should if you want the best results, if not every other or every third day still works
Born Loser
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I have had bugs, but never rot. Just see some cases in the infirmary section here.
I'll be starting a new crop by the weekend, all coco, some, but not all hempys.
If the coco looks totally waterlogged, something isn't right--you should be able to water every day...
I'll be starting a new crop by the weekend, all coco, some, but not all hempys.
If the coco looks totally waterlogged, something isn't right--you should be able to water every day...
You both (retro & GD ) have valid points . yes with coco continuously moist or saturated it is good breeding ground for bugs . a little preventive maintenance & you'll be fine . & yes .... coco fed every day makes for much better & faster plant growth . i personally feed every day till runoff by drip lines & pumps from a rez .
But ..... once you feed a COCO hempy more than every couple days ..... its no longer a HEMPY bucket .... it is now coco fed DTW drip to waste . the only difference is the holes in the bucket . with a hempy bucket theres only 1 drain hole instead of many .
A hempy bucket was created to have a rez the plants can feed from if you have to leave & can't feed everyday ! once you are able to feed it daily or more .... it is now a DTW bucket . with the added benefit of have the rez which will hold the fresh nutrient rich water & O2 for the plants to thrive on . win win !!
but it bugs me that with all the things that have been done to hempys .... like dtw , recirc & one guy even went as far as putting the bucket into a rez bigenough to feed for a week & still called it a hempy bucket ..... it is not a hempy once you change the premise of it .... sorry but true
But ..... once you feed a COCO hempy more than every couple days ..... its no longer a HEMPY bucket .... it is now coco fed DTW drip to waste . the only difference is the holes in the bucket . with a hempy bucket theres only 1 drain hole instead of many .
A hempy bucket was created to have a rez the plants can feed from if you have to leave & can't feed everyday ! once you are able to feed it daily or more .... it is now a DTW bucket . with the added benefit of have the rez which will hold the fresh nutrient rich water & O2 for the plants to thrive on . win win !!
but it bugs me that with all the things that have been done to hempys .... like dtw , recirc & one guy even went as far as putting the bucket into a rez bigenough to feed for a week & still called it a hempy bucket ..... it is not a hempy once you change the premise of it .... sorry but true
I am not blaming anyone for anything. But you seem to be blaming me for your "friend's failure". He did something wrong, or you are not telling the story correctly. When you water a Hempy bucket, you water until run off from the drain hole. That means the coco is saturated. You can't over water coco. Any "excess" water runs off, unless the drain hole gets plugged with a piece of perlite. This has happened to me, and it's why I only use chunky perlite, plus I have learned to make a bigger hole than just the diameter of the drill bit used to make it. I've done this enough times to know that what you are posting is incorrect. Daily watering brings hydro roots, but to get "hydro" roots, you must water daily once roots have either filled the solo cup you are transplanting from, or reached the rez. Don't drown them the first week, obviously. It's no different from any other hydro system. It's a true hydro system, and coco is a hydro medium. And Hempy never said anything about root rot......
As far as I am concerned, you are posting second hand disinformation. I believe what I have seen with my own eyes, not what you post. I would never intentionally mislead anyone, but as I said, do it any way you want. Some people don't want maximum yield. They prefer convenience, and that is fine. Each to his own, but don't blame me for whatever went wrong with your "friends" plant.
You both (retro & GD ) have valid points . yes with coco continuously moist or saturated it is good breeding ground for bugs . a little preventive maintenance & you'll be fine . & yes .... coco fed every day makes for much better & faster plant growth . i personally feed every day till runoff by drip lines & pumps from a rez .
But ..... once you feed a COCO hempy more than every couple days ..... its no longer a HEMPY bucket .... it is now coco fed DTW drip to waste . the only difference is the holes in the bucket . with a hempy bucket theres only 1 drain hole instead of many .
A hempy bucket was created to have a rez the plants can feed from if you have to leave & can't feed everyday ! once you are able to feed it daily or more .... it is now a DTW bucket . with the added benefit of have the rez which will hold the fresh nutrient rich water & O2 for the plants to thrive on . win win !!
but it bugs me that with all the things that have been done to hempys .... like dtw , recirc & one guy even went as far as putting the bucket into a rez bigenough to feed for a week & still called it a hempy bucket ..... it is not a hempy once you change the premise of it .... sorry but true
You have made the same post before, and I disagree. A Hempy bucket is a Hempy bucket, no matter your personal choice of watering frequency. However, your using a constant drip system kind of makes my point for me, ie., that frequent watering provides more oxygen to the roots, which makes the plants grow faster/bigger. You can water every day, every second day, or every third day, but it is still a Hempy bucket. You are talking semantics, and want to call a Hempy bucket by another name if you don't adhere to a specific watering schedule. But the beauty of Hempys is the flexibility they provide. Water for yield, or water for convenience...your choice....but a Hempy bucket in either case. In any case, you will get good results. It's all about personal choice, which each person has to decide for themselves. A Hempy bucket is a bucket with a single drain hole two inches from the bottom, providing a rez underneath said hole. How many times you water that doesn't change this.
Good luck with your drip system. Well known that drip/coco provides great growth. It's all about the oxygen.
