CO2 MYTH BUSTED

[HempKat]

You need a government report to tell you what the fuck is sup?


Why? LOL IPCC might be just like the BLM... lol

No and in fact the only reason I read the report was because your claim they were going to back peddle on their position was too outrageous to believe but before I argued the point I wanted to make sure they didn't back peddle on their stance. Which they didn't and in fact yet again this year they are taking an even harder stance saying the problem is even more immediate.

But no I don't need a report. You see this shit is nothing new, people have been warning against the results of man's actions since the 70's when we had plenty of time to fix the problems we are causing. Now we are here on the brink and I fear that future reports might discover it's all ready too late to prevent and the focus will shift to trying to prevent total annihilation.

 

[LyryC]

Yeah well that's all fine and dandy, even if it were true but you still haven't manned up about your prediction of the IPCC changing their stance not coming true.

What you did do however was wait nearly a year to respond and in the mean time changed your own stance. So nice job there. To bad though you are still trying to posture yourself as some poor misunderstood victim.

How'd you know I was waiting all this time!?

Who the fuck cares about hte IPCC stance when we know the problem is our consuming habits?

IDK about you grandpa but Im trying to adapt a permaculture mentality and lifestyle and it is very hard being in a world controlled by money.

we are all victims of corporate bureaucracy - get off my nuts ; I'm learning along the way.

You keep taking away from all this instead of adding.

You do realize im on your "side"? Unless you want them to take our guns - and you vote - then we aren't on the same side.

But for real man... can we move on? Like how about the fact that we want to go to MARS and colonize it

BUT THERES STARVING PEOPLE ON OUR FUCKING PLANET?

and you want to sit here and talk about dandy year long responses - man lets get out there and change this shit...

I need fucking help - not trolls... like all those "friends" who coined a conspiracy theorist - a few years later and now im all of a sudden some sensi...

Why do you care about the IPCC?

If we weren't put into these social implications thru propaganda and a controlled society over time - our world would be different.

imagine if nikola telsa and everything he did was real.... we would already have been colonized mars...

don't let the ipcc and other fancy names and labels and GOVERNMENT anything give you hope or a sense of security over that "topic or subject" HempKat....

You know how much we pollute - but you want ot sit here and tell me the IPCC has something important to say...

Once you dig deep enough - and follow hte money - the whole picture quickly snaps into focus - and while you try and understand it all - its changing - constantly - and its getting harder to dig - more dangerous - and more isolated.

You know how many people don't respect you because you want to have a better world for THEM?

I say and do what I do for the future - for the kids - for a change - a hope that there will be a positive time for humanity on earth when the power of love has over come the love of power...

I do it for Love. because love is painful but worth it.

We are emotional creatures - not literal.

 

[HempKat]

How'd you know I was waiting all this time!?

Who the fuck cares about hte IPCC stance when we know the problem is our consuming habits?

IDK about you grandpa but Im trying to adapt a permaculture mentality and lifestyle and it is very hard being in a world controlled by money.

we are all victims of corporate bureaucracy - get off my nuts ; I'm learning along the way.

You keep taking away from all this instead of adding.

You do realize im on your "side"? Unless you want them to take our guns - and you vote - then we aren't on the same side.

But for real man... can we move on? Like how about the fact that we want to go to MARS and colonize it

BUT THERES STARVING PEOPLE ON OUR FUCKING PLANET?

and you want to sit here and talk about dandy year long responses - man lets get out there and change this shit...

I need fucking help - not trolls... like all those "friends" who coined a conspiracy theorist - a few years later and now im all of a sudden some sensi...

Why do you care about the IPCC?

If we weren't put into these social implications thru propaganda and a controlled society over time - our world would be different.

imagine if nikola telsa and everything he did was real.... we would already have been colonized mars...

don't let the ipcc and other fancy names and labels and GOVERNMENT anything give you hope or a sense of security over that "topic or subject" HempKat....

You know how much we pollute - but you want ot sit here and tell me the IPCC has something important to say...

Once you dig deep enough - and follow hte money - the whole picture quickly snaps into focus - and while you try and understand it all - its changing - constantly - and its getting harder to dig - more dangerous - and more isolated.

You know how many people don't respect you because you want to have a better world for THEM?

I say and do what I do for the future - for the kids - for a change - a hope that there will be a positive time for humanity on earth when the power of love has over come the love of power...

I do it for Love. because love is painful but worth it.

We are emotional creatures - not literal.

Dude the IPCC is doing way more then you to bring about awareness and positive environmental change. So yeah when someone tries to undo that benefit by lying about what the IPCC is saying and giving weak minded people reason to think why should we listen to them, then yeah I'm going to say something. IF you are all about the future and the kids then you should be embracing what the IPCC is saying. I think the problem though is you've filled your head with the notion that the IPCC is the ones preaching Cap and Trade and they aren't. They might accept the idea of Cap and Trade as one possible way of saving the planet but the IPCC is just an international group of scientists who are saying, "Hey this shit is real and you governments of the world need to do something about it before we drive ourselves to extinction."

 

[LyryC]

Dude the IPCC is doing way more then you to bring about awareness and positive environmental change. So yeah when someone tries to undo that benefit by lying about what the IPCC is saying and giving weak minded people reason to think why should we listen to them, then yeah I'm going to say something. IF you are all about the future and the kids then you should be embracing what the IPCC is saying. I think the problem though is you've filled your head with the notion that the IPCC is the ones preaching Cap and Trade and they aren't. They might accept the idea of Cap and Trade as one possible way of saving the planet but the IPCC is just an international group of scientists who are saying, "Hey this shit is real and you governments of the world need to do something about it before we drive ourselves to extinction."

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[Harry Gypsna]

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[LyryC]

then what? IF not revolution what?

Humanity isn't evolving anymore.

 

[devilgoob]

I guess some people just have beliefs, and then try backing them up.

You say it IS happening, but it's man-made, but isn't global warming?

HUH

Mix Two million gallons of water at 20c and 40c.

Now think about how they might equalize at 30c, but yet, they have created vortexes.

It doesn't matter... the temperature.. as much as one might think.

Think storing the energy in phase changes and the ocean.

Temperature is average kinetic temperature, but what happens when 20c and 40c is not JUST 30c.

It's a mixing and a vortex, just extra energy that the world gets rid of usually with el nino and currents.

By saying it's man-made or not, you acknowledge it.

All it is, is a bunch of storms that make the ocean rise, and then a glaciated Earth.

It happens every 70,000 years about.

 

[lost in a sea]

drive ourselves to extinction lmao.. we are already there through stupidity not co2.

no no it must all be human caused everything must be from what we do because the whole universe revolves around humans you know,,, so pay more taxes, have less children, buy less well made co2 "friendly" garbage and breath less fresh air,, fuck it lets tax fresh air, we already have a carbon tax (and more taxes can only do good right?), the stress from that will help kill off some billions of people anyway hopefully as well so it's a win win for the governments and multinational dictators telling them what to do..

The man caused co2 being the reason behind the climatic variences we are seeing is laughable and has more holes in it than any scientific hypothesis i can think of, apart from the principle of unformity of which it is a part, and if people understood what that is they would see how they are being played. climate change is as natural a phenomena as is possible and geology holds more proof of rapid and extreme changes in it than any stability.

so many unproven assumptions underpinning certain hypothesise that are now becoming fascist doctrine we might as well be literalist christians and have gone full circle back into ignorance and the unquestionable rituals of the church of "science",, question the illogical dogma and get burned like a heratic.

I think humans are to blame for all the pollutants in nature, all the heavy metals and noval unnatural compounds we have allowed the corporations to dump into our ecosystem whilst they make pure profit gain, they are what we need to get sorted out, fuck co2, as far as pollution goes i love co2 it is natural and a part of the carbon cycle which is as old as the planet.

funny how the guys that released, and continue to release, all the real pollutants are now going carbon "green", not real green just carbon green. And not surprisingly the governments are doing special deals to help these corporations make even more money from going green and we the consumer are the ones having to pay for every aspect of this, what a surprise.

 

[foomar]

climate change is as natural a phenomena as is possible and geology holds more proof of rapid and extreme changes in it than any stability.

Think the problem is the RATE of change , not the change in itself , regardless of cause.

Changes in atmosphere , climate and ice ages have taken thousands of years on a very long cycle giving species time to move or adapt/evolve.

The only fast changes to the balance have been from specific events such as mass eruptions like Deccan and meteor strikes , the results are revealed in the fossil record and are grim.

In the long term the planet will rebalance , limestone will be laid down locking in the CO2 , but with a thousand year lag till it takes effect.

With a world government , GM food , weather control and the rest we could support a population of 20+ billion , but I would not want to live in a world like that.

 

[LyryC]

Lost in a sea said it perfect.

We are the problem and we need to fix our habits - nothing else.

This whole Co2 thing is true but played as propaganda.

Yes we are removing carbon from teh ground - burning it and putting it into the air but the problem is we are destroying what removed the carbon from the air and puts it back in the ground.

If only more people coudl realize happiness is attained through sharing caring and love... not money and man made shit.

 

[lost in a sea]

Think the problem is the RATE of change , not the change in itself , regardless of cause.

Changes in atmosphere , climate and ice ages have taken thousands of years on a very long cycle giving species time to move or adapt/evolve.

Not always at all.. you would have to read Immanuel velikovsky's work to have an fair opinion on that instead of just what you have been told by the tv, It is not proven and is based on hypothesis.. It is not scietific dogma. There are so so so so so so so so many anomalies with that statement i suggest you step out of that box a bit and read around more. rapid mutation is how more life forms have formed than a survival of the fittest slow selection process model and it has happened so much more because it is the rapid environmental changes that have caused it. DNA is an extremely adaptable thing and the multitude of genes you have that "we don't know what they do" are waiting for just those changes in the states of physics of the environment and they will become active again. like the epigenetic hereditary changes we see now caused by the specific pollutants around us but much much quicker. It's not all slow, basically nothing is evolving anywhere now at any speed even really really slowly, so my challenge to that is DNA and life and the geological cycle does in fact not work that way as a rule.

The only fast changes to the balance have been from specific events such as mass eruptions like Deccan and meteor strikes , the results are revealed in the fossil record and are grim.

Not true, the global climate is in flux it is run by obscure things like under sea currents channeling energy around the earth that are constantly changing to how much energy the earth is receiving from the sun, which is much much more important for when and how and at what pace climate changes than anything else. The fossil record also shows how recently these extreme changes have happened.. Also Radio carbon dating assumes how much of a particular isotope of carbon was in the atmosphere at the time which is based on calculations done with todays carbon isotope readings making it essentially completely flawed and nothing but an informed guess, at best, as to what pace the ratio of carbon isotopes has changed since. it has assumptions that are not tested and yet it is used as an assumption in other non tested hypothesese, like the hugely anomalous fossil record, that has a million times more proof for rapid mutaion than survival of the fittest for how life forms anyway.

There are loads of these assumptions, take gravity, it is an internationally set quantity but it changes everywhere and all the time because it is a result of electromagnetism, yet all the sums are done by the mathamagians using their golden set value for the big G.. The exact same is true for the speed of light, it changes all the time everywhere yet it is also a set speed as far as the faux scientists with their calculators are concerned. so basically the maths underpinning most of the modern hypothesis has been made to fit a preset design that works with the rest of their picture for us. It is not real science, it never will be.

It is... get this... THE PRINCIPLE OF UNIFORMITY..

In the long term the planet will rebalance , limestone will be laid down locking in the CO2 , but with a thousand year lag till it takes effect.

Anything could happen, that is the world we live in. Change is natural just not since records began a hundred years ago. back in the 1700s it froze so heavy on the Themes that they held fates and fairs on it every winter for over a hundred years. basically a hundred years before that there was a hundred years of extremely warm weather and the ice around the antarcic melted all the way back to the rock and allowed it to be mapped, these things just didn't happen since the so called "records began" only a hundred years ago so no one knows they did happen and at the same times the climate globally was changing and fluctuating the changes weren't located just here..

With a world government , GM food , weather control and the rest we could support a population of 20+ billion , but I would not want to live in a world like that.

Me neither

Really Immanuel velikovsky.. That man was cleverer than us lot put together and x100. I promise anyone interested in what we are talking about would gain alot from reading "worlds in collision" and "earth in upheaval" by Immanuel,, just his short esseys into facinating things that the scientists in the 1800s were all into before the shake up of the church of science. It would at least give you an unbiased scientific perpective to make your own mind up.

we could argue all day on this stuff but unless you have read multiple sides of this that exist within the scientific community then your opinion isn't really your own because you have just assimilated something as fact whereas i have had a decade to ponder on this one from multiple angles, doesn't mean i'm right but just not regurgitating something i have never thought twice about not being "fact" at least which is the ad nausium i find with most people on history/geology/archeology/cosmology etc.

He who controls the past ~

 

[Harry Gypsna]

If only more people coudl realize happiness is attained through sharing caring and love... not money and man made shit.

Good luck with that.....next up, praying for rain, and hopes for the future, based on the planting of magic beans.

 

[foomar]

you would have to read Immanuel velikovsky's work to have an fair opinion on that

I did back around 1960 and binned it in disgust soon after , a crock of shite by a psychiatrist with as much credibility as Von Danniken , might as well quote infowars , you are as dumb as he was.

Evolution is painfully slow for humans , those from 10 000 years ago would be barely distinguishable from us , and probably had more common sense than you show.

His theories were debunked at the time and by historians and scientists ever since , its commonly used as an example of flawed science , alive today he would be a laughable conspiracy theorist .

Under the weight of many arguments, I came to the conclusion--about which I no longer have any doubt--that it was the planet Venus, at the time still a comet, that caused the catastrophe of the days of Exodus (181).

When Venus sprang out of Jupiter as a comet and flew very close to the earth, it became entangled in the embrace of the earth. The internal heat developed by the earth and the scorching gases of the comet were in themselves sufficient to make the vermin of the earth propagate at a very feverish rate. Some of the plagues [mentioned in Exodus] like the plague of the frogs...or of the locusts, must be ascribed to such causes (192).

The question arises here whether or not the comet Venus infested the earth with vermin which it may have carried in its trailing atmosphere in the form of larvae together with stones and gases. It is significant that all around the world people have associated the planet Venus with flies (193).

The ability of many small insects and their larvae to endure great cold and heat and to live in an atmosphere devoid of oxygen renders not entirely improbable the hypothesis that Venus (and also Jupiter, from which Venus sprang) may be populated by vermin (195).

 

[Nor'Easter]

Great, another multi-page thread full of both BS and wise responses to catch up on!
Basically, how many times do we have to go over this? Global warming and its consequences are very real and underway and the evidence is all around us. Those that choose to ignore the science and convince themselves some quack is right are either incredibly: selfish, arrogant, ignorant, or downright stupid! Probably some combination thereof. Or they know the truth and are just are attention seekers. Not namecalling, just stating plain and simple fact. I will enjoy eventually reading and debating this, and any thread that raises awareness and inspires wise action is a good thread in my book!
There is no reason why we should go on stupidly making the same mistakes when it is not that hard to change. We don't need to breed like rabbits, use a condom or keep it in your pants for God's sakes! We don't need to keep on burning things like our caveman ancestors did, when we have plenty of environmentally friendly alternatives! We don't need to live like kings and be stupidly/arrogantly wasteful and gluttonous or hoard things. Hell, my backward ass town has a huge solar farm or 2 now, if they/we can do it anyone can!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Hey, even if I don't believe in population increase, it will contiue.
It is the same with CO2, it will continue until mankind can make the switch to fuels that do not emit CO2, anyone that can't see that is fooling their selves.
I also have no desire to live in a world with 10, 20, 50 billion, people. What kind of life will it be? The way things are going, it will be to soon.
-SamS

 

[Harry Gypsna]

I also have no desire to live in a world with 10, 20, 50 billion, people. What kind of life will it be? The way things are going, it will be to soon.
-SamS

The fact that we are running out of anti-biotics will be fixing this problem soon enough...

 

[Nor'Easter]

Hey, even if I don't believe in population increase, it will contiue.
It is the same with CO2, it will continue until mankind can make the switch to fuels that do not emit CO2, anyone that can't see that is fooling their selves.
I also have no desire to live in a world with 10, 20, 50 billion, people. What kind of life will it be? The way things are going, it will be to soon.
-SamS

We don't have to let it continue, if we get off our fat asses and do something about it! Fund educating people on the subject and efforts to change things.

The fact that we are running out of anti-biotics will be fixing this problem soon enough...

Oh great, just sit around and wait for a catastrophe or our eventual extinction or that of many other species! I think we can do better than that! We have sentience, so we can use it instead of living and behaving like a mere virus!

 

[GreeeeN GRassss]

The fact that we are running out of anti-biotics will be fixing this problem soon enough...

the over use of antibiotics will probably kill us quicker then antibiotics running out.

 

[SpasticGramps]

The fact that we are running out of anti-biotics will be fixing this problem soon enough...

Or war. Every 80 years so there is a major global conflict. This cycle pre-dates the American Revolution. It's been about 75 years since WWII ended.

We are due. And America is trying their best to start one up. CIA and special ops are helping our new puppet government in Ukraine which is at war with Russia.

This time everyone has nukes though. Instant population control through mutually assured destruction.

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
― Albert Einstein

 

[Harry Gypsna]

We don't have to let it continue, if we get off our fat asses and do something about it! Fund educating people on the subject and efforts to change things.



Oh great, just sit around and wait for a catastrophe or our eventual extinction or that of many other species! I think we can do better than that! We have sentience, so we can use it instead of living and behaving like a mere virus!

We don't need to wait. It is happening right now. No new antibiotics created in my lifetime. Overuse has ruined the ones we do have. Doctors dishing them out like jelly beans, for viral infections that they can't do shit for, because the patient thinks it will help. Coupled with patients not completing the course of meds, allowing the bacteria to become resistant, the outlook is that we are fucked, unless the med companies pull their finger out and get on with the next generation. I've never seen a person IRL, who has been disfigured by hereditary Syphillis, because all such people in Britain were dead by the time I was born...Now they are making a comeback. Flu used to wipe out Millions every winter, now not so much, but it is rising again.