CMH vs LED vs HPS

[zachrockbadenof]

Unfortunately that is pretty much my experience too.

Lucky i'm not into conspiracy theories or i might start thinking leds are being weaponised by China to turn our beloved herb from sacred medicine to fast food junk.

That's certainly how it feels from a medical use perspective.

u mean the people who fly balloons over a continent, who manufacture most if not all the fentanyl, who imprison their own people, release a virus.. etc..etc... yeah they SUCK..

but always follow the $$$$... never know where them breadcrumbs will lead ya,,,,

 

[exoticrobotic]

To their credit they do have Kiwi fruits.

 

[snakedope]

Unfortunately that is pretty much my experience too.

Lucky i'm not into conspiracy theories or i might start thinking leds are being weaponised by China to turn our beloved herb from sacred medicine to fast food junk.

When any idea or concept starts at a corrupt foundation, you know your in trouble, it's not a conspiracy type thing, it's out in the open.
In not suggesting this country or that because it's irrelevant, there are greater powers at work here, powers with a collective mind set, aiming at reducing the quality of this medicine, and they will stop at nothing to make that happen, LEDs are just part of the plan to weak structures and genetics to a point which is rendering it useless, just keep making addicts because the effect is so slim
Think about taking a headache pill that only drows your pain for a couple of min so you need to take more each time, same happens here.
The subjective feel or experience of a specific person no longer matters because the effects of this plan are seen in the physical world, they manifest as low oil production, which in turn influence the entire structure of the trichome and the space allocated for this kind of substances or that, fuck we are not well educated like science, but they try (the science world) to tell us that this modern bud is better, as i see it, they are using old soviet tactics, if you keep repeating the lies, enough people will believe eventually.

i was n still of the opinion, i have no scientific data to back it up that weed being seeded, n grown outdoors has something that is lacking in indoor grows...

I have to say I disagree, sure outdoor bud can be killer but the most intense bud I smoked was always indoor hid bud
Maybe in some regions you will find better, I think we would but need to tour the world for that haha

 

[zachrockbadenof]

I have to say I disagree, sure outdoor bud can be killer but the most intense bud I smoked was always indoor hid bud
Maybe in some regions you will find better, I think we would but need to tour the world for that haha

when we grew indoors under 4x1000w hps/mh switchble's , it was good weed... but i don't feel it gave that special feeling we would get with seeded/outdoor bud...

now that was 50yrs ago.... so is the mind somewhat a bit hazy (a joke...chuckle, chuckle) ... maybe....

 

[Jaysways]

@snakedope not to be too personal bro, but do you live in the states?

I’m in the uk and all bud here is grown with cmh and hps, commercial underground ops. I’m telling you now that they do not buy LEDs , they would have to like 20k just for a light set up.

And that’s how they’ve grown since I was a kid. So your crazy conspiracy theory just doesn’t seem to be right.

Who in the UK wants us to be smoking “modern bud”?

My bud is better then the street bud around here hands down and I get get my hands on some good shit in the uk.

 

[snakedope]

It's funny how even the lame weed back then let's say 10-15 years ago was crazy compered with today general weed, I not saying there isn't good weed today but we didn't have this problem back then, it's was 180 degrees around haha lame weed was hard to find, you had to really abuse the plant in growing and seed the heck outta him and still after that it was somewhat good

The tricky thing about modernization is that sometimes reality smacks it in the face
For 10 years straight a gram here of high quality would cost 30usd
Very expansive but you knew you were getting space ship cake kush haha
So you smoked and all your thought about the price would go away, just like paying heavy for a good meal
Today a gram cost here 10-15 usd, half of what it used to go for... That alone raises alarm bells.
People are not finding any worthness beyond this price point, but they keep searching..

Edit for Jaysways - no I'm not in the uk.

 

[Jaysways]

Yeah that does raise alarm bells. But isn’t that just people competing so much that they drive the price down. Can’t earn enough so they don’t put as much time and effort in , cut corners and the end product is now diminished and everybody is happy because there paying 15dollars.

It’s like the beef industry, do people not think hmmmmmmmm why is grass fed organic steak three times the price? But they carry on eating the same farmed awful beef that is probably making them un healthy but they carry on because of the price and the lies that have gone into it.

I do agree that the government or capitalism or just selfish individuals do ruin things for fellow humans out of greed and their own alternatives.

 

[Jaysways]

But just saying my led bud is high quality and killer and blows me away. I’m 33 years of age now and been smoking since I was a 15, underground uk skunk, cheese, blues every big uk strain but my bud today beats them and they were all ground underground using hps and cmh. And in the uk shit weed don’t fly, you got shot no one’s going to take it

 

[goingrey]

when we grew indoors under 4x1000w hps/mh switchble's , it was good weed... but i don't feel it gave that special feeling we would get with seeded/outdoor bud...

now that was 50yrs ago.... so is the mind somewhat a bit hazy (a joke...chuckle, chuckle) ... maybe....

So you're saying I shouldn't bother getting the CMH in my quest for sun grown quality indoors?

That's disappointing.

Why must the plasma light be so expensive.

 

[exoticrobotic]

Well, i just swapped the led for cmh.

The plants have only been in an hour or so but they already look happier.

I actually feel like being in the grow space now. It's like a summer's day in there now, not a frosty winter morning.

 

[420empire]

Think Dj short talked alot bout this subject

 

[Jaysways]

Well, i just swapped the led for cmh.

The plants have only been in an hour or so but they already look happier.

I actually feel like being in the grow space now. It's like a summer's day in there now, not a frosty winter morning.

Any pics bro

 

[exoticrobotic]

315 CMH

 

[exoticrobotic]

Some 10 day old seedlings and a revegger.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

So you're saying I shouldn't bother getting the CMH in my quest for sun grown quality indoors?

That's disappointing.

Why must the plasma light be so expensive.

the last few grows prior to this last grow were all in a 4x3.5ft tent with '2' 315's with philips bulb, and was disappointed in the growth... i thought it was just not enough lite... and its 45 watts per sq foot.... quality wise thought it underperformed tooo..

this is our 1st grow under full led..mars fce8000 in a 5x5ft tent, with the power at about 70pct- they are drying now , so we will see... for sure the stretch under led is much less then under cmh- quality is the key...

 

[snakedope]

Yeah that does raise alarm bells. But isn’t that just people competing so much that they drive the price down. Can’t earn enough so they don’t put as much time and effort in , cut corners and the end product is now diminished and everybody is happy because there paying 15dollars.

In normal open market conditions yes, but that's not the situation here, it's not like 30 more breeders started selling PK or even same quality strains, it's just quality went down in everyone grows, it's not the grower fault, the grower looks at this balance and tries to get the edge to his favour, if it's less heat, more light in bigger spaces, more wavelengths, you name it LEDs probably have it.
What surprised me the most is the hobby people just follow money directed ops without realizing they sacrifice a lot of what the end product should be.
I can understand dispensary and medical weed being lame, those are cash crops only
But the hobby growers offer no better end product, most of them if not all (in my country)

 

[Brother Nature]

 

[Cerathule]

That's right, 70 years ago sex was way better, so, what's wrong with all these girl of today?!?

 

[snakedope]

That's right, 70 years ago sex was way better, so, what's wrong with all these girl of today?!?

They turned them into men.

 

[Hiddenjems]

Yeah that does raise alarm bells. But isn’t that just people competing so much that they drive the price down. Can’t earn enough so they don’t put as much time and effort in , cut corners and the end product is now diminished and everybody is happy because there paying 15dollars.

It’s like the beef industry, do people not think hmmmmmmmm why is grass fed organic steak three times the price? But they carry on eating the same farmed awful beef that is probably making them un healthy but they carry on because of the price and the lies that have gone into it.

I do agree that the government or capitalism or just selfish individuals do ruin things for fellow humans out of greed and their own alternatives.

Grass fed beef sucks. Limited movement and over feeding with grain produces the highest grade steaks. Just look up Kobe beef.

Just like training and feeding cannabis a certain way produces bigger tighter flowers with more oils.