Club Vert

[CovertCultivatr]

At the urging of another grower, I've decided to start a thread for all those growers out there who have decided to hang their grow light vertically so it can mingle with the ladies. Post pics, discuss theories, share stories:

If this already exists, post a link. I'd hate to needlessly duplicate.

 

[CovertCultivatr]

Here is my vert cab:
Capacity: 8 ladies in veg. , 8 in bloom, a cloning chamber. all recirculating Hydro in a 30x30x72 box.

 

[stke_fingas]

covert what up mang!

i'm stoked to see your set up! looks like you got it all covered.
does your light move at all?
i had the best growth when my light was directly in front of the plants.

this is the current cab









and this is what she looks like full of bubba.




i'll update some pictures tonight i'm on day 24 ish of bloom and have a very full screen. light comes on in a few min.

 

[TGT]

This is a few pictures from one of my last grows. I have the same room going now, but got the yield up to where I would like it. These are AK47's and I get 8 pounds dry out of this set up every 2 months. I use 4 - 1000 watt HPS, an Elicent 200B fan/Can-100 carbon scrubber combo, 40 Pint dehumidifier, 3.5 gallon pots in Promix and a few house fans. I use the houses central air to cool the room during the summer months. It is actually a pretty basic and simple setup but performes great!









I am in the process of setting up another vertical grow if I can find a way to cool it properly. I find to do vertical properly you have to have your temperature really under control. If not I will have to do a regular horizontal grow with air cooled hoods as this home does not have central air. I could use cooled hoods with the vertical setup, but it is a pain to do so and I have the horizontal air cooled hoods already just sitting collecting dust.

I have been doing vertical for years now, but I have always noticed when the light comes from the side of the plant the leaves form a curl so that they can catch the light more efficiently. When I say curl I don't mean the tip curling, but the sides of each individual leaflet fold downward to form a canoe like shape, not the typical claw that shows over-fertilization. This happens most when the underside of the leaf is getting more light than the top or when the plant is in between two bulbs. Anyone else notice this?

I am sure it is normal as all my grows have been great and my yields are just improving the more I grow this certain strain of AK47, but I have not heard other vertical growers talk of this before. It's not like their unhealthy or anything, just canoed. It would make me feel better to know others experience this too with vertical grows. Thanks in advance!

TGT

 

[Old Yeller]

CC - It looks like you're using a couple of those Stanley Personal Blowers on the bottom of your cab to cool the light - can you elaborate a bit on the design? How noisy (or quiet) are they?
I was just researching the Stanley Blower mod designs here on ICMag & came across the Personal Blower - looks interesting...
OldYeller

 

[Mr Celsius]

This is a few pictures from one of my last grows. I have the same room going now, but got the yield up to where I would like it. These are AK47's and I get 8 pounds dry out of this set up every 2 months. I use 4 - 1000 watt HPS, an Elicent 200B fan/Can-100 carbon scrubber combo, 40 Pint dehumidifier, 3.5 gallon pots in Promix and a few house fans. I use the houses central air to cool the room during the summer months. It is actually a pretty basic and simple setup but performes great!









I am in the process of setting up another vertical grow if I can find a way to cool it properly. I find to do vertical properly you have to have your temperature really under control. If not I will have to do a regular horizontal grow with air cooled hoods as this home does not have central air. I could use cooled hoods with the vertical setup, but it is a pain to do so and I have the horizontal air cooled hoods already just sitting collecting dust.

I have been doing vertical for years now, but I have always noticed when the light comes from the side of the plant the leaves form a curl so that they can catch the light more efficiently. When I say curl I don't mean the tip curling, but the sides of each individual leaflet fold downward to form a canoe like shape, not the typical claw that shows over-fertilization. This happens most when the underside of the leaf is getting more light than the top or when the plant is in between two bulbs. Anyone else notice this?

I am sure it is normal as all my grows have been great and my yields are just improving the more I grow this certain strain of AK47, but I have not heard other vertical growers talk of this before. It's not like their unhealthy or anything, just canoed. It would make me feel better to know others experience this too with vertical grows. Thanks in advance!

TGT

Nice setup.

I'm curious as to the footprint of the room and how many plants you use.

Thanks

 

[stke_fingas]

TGT, very f'n nice bro!
yes i have seen what your talking about with the curling leaves, i've seen them twist between internodes and on the leaf stem. still be healthy as ever but look funky. nice yield too!

old yeller,
the noise on the stanley is from the air it's moving, the blower itself isn't loud at all. a muffler works geat!

 

[PurplePotion]

TGT- 8lbs out of 4K -- verrrrry impressive bro! What sort of nutrients are you feeding those ladies? How big is the room? # of plants & length of veg time? Keep it up

 

[Propoline]

verticall brothers & others


I can officially sign in, since I have a vert cab too. I'm on day 5 flower with my second run. First one was with two plants lsted around my 150hps, and yielded 4oz. This time I'm going sog style with 16 plants in 4 pots.


here's a couple of shots


At end of previous round....



White Satin on right & Kalichakra buds on left




Here's how it looks second run





Hey TGT....you are running a serious set up. Good thinking on vertical. Do you think with curling anything like this....all the leaves are leaned down to get bigger footprint





Propoline

 

[stke_fingas]

those are looking good propoline!
your plants are filling up nice. i bet you double your harvest!

 

[SleepyMonkey]

I'm just staring a new vertical setup. Hopefully I'll have some good pics to post in a month or so. If not I'll pretend like I never said anything. Don't want to damage the vert grow cause. Anyone remember a vert grow from OG? I believe Bubbleman posted it. Don't recall too many details, just remember baseball bat sized colas. You know the sweet spot, the fat part of the bat? Pretty much my inspiration. Similar to TGT's grow if I recall correctly. Nice grows all.

 

[TGT]

Mr. Celcius, The room is rather large (14 feet by 20 feet aprox.) but the plants probably take up around 10 feet by 10 feet square. I was using 28 to 30 plants when I first started, but it turned out to be a pain as I had to tie up all the sagging branches and keep them from hitting the light. Also there was a lot of useless foilage being shaded and not producing. Now I do no more than 20 plants and I produce more bud with an easier time managing them. I still have to tie up some of the buds, but if I support them in the beginning properly it makes my job much easier. Also with the less plants I get larger buds and less small pop corn nuggets - making it a breeze at harvest time.

PurplePotion, I am giving my girls a nutrient called 'Total Nutrition'. I think it is only available at my local hydroponic store as I have never seen it anywhere else and I think they make it up there. It consists of two bottles, one for veg and then in bud I mix the second bottles nutrients at the same rate as the first. When I get to the fifth week of bud I start using a small does of 'Crazy Bloom'. I give it that on top of the regular nutrients until about the seventh week, then just water until done.

My nutrient schedule is extremely basic and cheap as can be, but seems to do well. I was thinking of using something else to see if that would increase my yields, but I think I have just about maxed out with this strain. Who knows, may be I can pull more weight out of these girls yet. Any suggestion on nutrients to use in Promix that would give me good results?

Propoline, I love that White Satin girl you posted the picture of. She looks like a great producer, how is the quality? Your set up looks great and I like your cooling method. I need to get something set up like that. I was thinking of setting up something at home so that I can have a little personal smoke on the side. Also, this would allow me to run some not so productive strains that I like and never seem to be able to grow because of their low yield. Usually I set up for yield and am not able to grow some of the tastier or exotic strains. I still would if it was up to me, but unfortunately I speak to a higher power. I think I will do something like yours though, would be nice. Great job!

TGT

 

[CovertCultivatr]

Hey Fellow Vert-warriors!!

Wow, I went out of town the day I started the thread (but I can't take all the credit- STKE was the inspiration) and boy, am I glad to see all ya'll here!

STKE- no, my bloom light, 600 hortilux hps, doesn't move. however, the pvc cylinders that each plant is in do move individually according to that particular plants growth. I let the girls get to about 18" to 22" before they go into the flowering chamber.

Old Yeller- The Stanley Blower is the SHIT!!! I run four total in my cab (two big blowers and two of the the small personal blowers) the two big ones are responsible for moving air in and out of the entire cab. One is positioned at the base, inside the veg/cloning chamber, as an active intake. It also creates quite a good amount of breeze in the veg chamber; providing quite a workout for the girls (strong stems for future heavy buds!) the other big one (not pictured) is inside the large carbon scrubber above the cab and is attached to the home-made, very ghetto looking, but very economical, cool tube. It keeps the bloom room at about 84 deg. (ambient room temp is at 72 deg.); not ideal but good considering it's a 600 watt in a 30"x30"x48" space.
The two small ones simply bring air up from my veg chamber to the bloom room, without bringing in the light.

 

[CovertCultivatr]

Sorry OLD YELLER, forgot to address the noise issue in regards to the Stanly. STKE is right, all the noise is from the air rushing, not the mechanics of the fan. In order to muffle the sound from my Stanley that sucks air out of my cab through the cool tube, I constructed a box (30x30x24) and mounted it to the top of the cab. It houses the Stanley, my ballast for my 600 watt hps, and the carbon to scrub the air as it exits. the carbon is spread out along the very top (30x30 x4), thus providing a large surface area and providing lots of space so there isn't an issue with pressure on the Stanley. (Stanley are designed to blow lots of air fast, but they can't handle alot of strain)

The Personal Blowers are real quiet - they don't move much air. They really just keep a nice breeze going in the bloom room, as well as move air from the bottom veg. chamber to the upper bloom room.

 

[stke_fingas]

STKE- no, my bloom light, 600 hortilux hps, doesn't move. however, the pvc cylinders that each plant is in do move individually according to that particular plants growth. I let the girls get to about 18" to 22" before they go into the flowering chamber.

like the guiness commercial... BRILLIANT!!!! F'n sweet dude! no joke design... wow i almost fell out of my chair when i seen that.
i'm in the process of designing a new cab for dual 400w cmh, same concept as my current cab but with many design flaws corrected. 4" pipe and a lot more screen, i'm short changing my bulb with this distance. i bet 1g/w will not be a problem in my next cab. CMH bulbs are just too cool to run one! lol.

my screen is looking so freakin dank right now. the small sides are starting to fill out and the tops (that are pretty much in the dark) are looking very full. there has been enough progress for a difference in pics so i'll do that tonight.

 

[asher1er]

anyone lst while using vertical lighting? (growing tree's, not in space restricted area's)

 

[stke_fingas]

um... what's the difference if it's not space restricted? i'm guessing my plants are about 3' each with 4-5 thick branches, that's not a bush but it's not small.

growing trees in a vertical setup is inefficient, in the beginning of veg you would have to be moving hella plants to keep from wasting light and adding new one's when the time came. most vert systems are designed around being effecient. that being said, SOG is the way to go for a "set it and forget it" type of grow. i vegged for 12 days and it was too much. the growth was too fast in veg, no joke too fast, it was hard to keep up with the training.

 

[DiscoDuck]

Nice thread, CovertCultivatr. Nice vertical setups all! I'd all but completed a somewhat conventional NGB when I sees all the vertical designs. I read TGT saying temps are an issue with vertical. I'm battling temps at the moment so I'll probably stick with what I have for a while. In the future I might consider building a vertical setup with a square footprint in the flower chamber. (the footprint I'm now using is 15" x 24".)

I don't qualify to post here but I hope you don't mind me lurking.
Duck

 

[Mr Celsius]

um... what's the difference if it's not space restricted? i'm guessing my plants are about 3' each with 4-5 thick branches, that's not a bush but it's not small.

growing trees in a vertical setup is inefficient, in the beginning of veg you would have to be moving hella plants to keep from wasting light and adding new one's when the time came. most vert systems are designed around being effecient. that being said, SOG is the way to go for a "set it and forget it" type of grow. i vegged for 12 days and it was too much. the growth was too fast in veg, no joke too fast, it was hard to keep up with the training.

Your right...

Have I made my point yet?

 

[stke_fingas]

ha ha nice! yes you have vertical lights but i was talking about vertical plants. e.g. multi layered plant height. he was asking about lst, which scrogging is basically, be it vertical or horizontal. you would never have to move your lights because they are on the same level as your plants. and i don't see any lst in those pics, jus string holding up some fat ass colas! you must have been itchin to drop those pics on someone, nice timing. besides them not being what we were talking about, mighty fine job my friend!

how long did you veg? those look like some trees!!!!

what medium? i tried growing trees like that one time... made some bad choices and had a poor yield. but those look dialed in like a mofo. what's that room pull?