my experience is that clones that are slightly preflowered ( or begin to pre flower while rooting--it happens) usually lag around 7-10 days behind other not so pre flowered cuts...this translates into slightly smaller, less bushy plants at the end of the veg period if less than 30 days and an almost non existant difference in veg periods longer than 45 days or so...this is just my 4 cents ( allowing for global currency conversions to make sure everyone gets my 2 cents worth as i think in terms of US dollars...lol)
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Cloning a clone of a clone of a clone
- Thread starter bongman1221
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Taking a clone of a plant will give you an EXACT genetic copy of the origional plant that was grown from seed, its more stable than a single cell clone since you take hundreads of thousands of cells to form the clone, one cell with an anomilay will be cancled out by the vast number of identical healthy cells... I dont think plants have cancer.
gramma watt
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We had one seed...
We had one seed...
Someone told us it was some "BC Bud"..lol...so we planted it. Lo and behold it was female...and a beauty at that.
So we raised her oh so carefully, with much love and the best ferts. After somewhere around 90 days under 18/6...we took clones....flowered her and smoked her.
I do believe we had about twenty clones the first time....grew them up about a month under 18/6...and took two cuts from each one. Put the cuts in veg in another room...and flowered the original clone mums.
So then we had forty in veg...and 20 in flowering that first go around...eventually we had forty in veg and forty in flower at a time....
It matured quite fast...so it was easy to keep a perpetual grow...taking one cut from each clone/mum, putting the mum in flower and the cuts in veg...to get ready for the next go...over and over....until......
We had one seed...
Someone told us it was some "BC Bud"..lol...so we planted it. Lo and behold it was female...and a beauty at that.
So we raised her oh so carefully, with much love and the best ferts. After somewhere around 90 days under 18/6...we took clones....flowered her and smoked her.
I do believe we had about twenty clones the first time....grew them up about a month under 18/6...and took two cuts from each one. Put the cuts in veg in another room...and flowered the original clone mums.
So then we had forty in veg...and 20 in flowering that first go around...eventually we had forty in veg and forty in flower at a time....
It matured quite fast...so it was easy to keep a perpetual grow...taking one cut from each clone/mum, putting the mum in flower and the cuts in veg...to get ready for the next go...over and over....until......
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I keep a perpetual grow by taking a cutting from a cutting...... I veg for six weeks and then the day before I trigger I take clones from the bottom of each plant. Usually two from each. Then trigger the main plants and root the cuttings. In two weeks the main plants are well on their way to budding and the clones are rooted and put into soil. The new cuttings now have five to six weeks to veg just like the previous crop. When the main plants are done budding I harvest and then change the clones over to the bud room. This gives me a crop every 7 weeks. I have been doing this in my new room three times now and it is going smoothly. At the moment I am using an AK47 clone that has been with me for five years now and I have never kept a mother. Who knows how long she was cloned before I got her. So I believe with what I have experienced a clone from a clone can be a good way of keeping up with a constant harvest. I always hated keeping a mother.
TGT
TGT
bongman1221
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hi thanks for all of the feedback as for my clones i have just started going down thin path, 1st generation of clones. I just basically took them from anywhere some have preflowers some don’t, I shore wasn’t as scientific as all of you guys are my hat of 2 u all. Also sorry about my ignorance but what is a pistol?
G
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A pistil is a female preflower,or a "hair".Keep doing it exactly that way TGT and you'll go for years and years without degradation.Your process is identical to mine exactly and it will work indefinately.
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It take me 7-10 to root a cutting. They are bloomed immediately at 2 inches tall they reach a third a metre in height.The mother has been alive for four years on 24/0.Before cuts are took I fertilize her increase the light(lumens) and take the fast growing tips.Some times I do not even use hormone rooting.This mother has ben into pre-flower several times, the centre of the plant is dark thats where the pre-flowers form.I do not think a clone of a clone will hurt much just as flowering the original mom won't yeild me some super smoke. It all the same plant.
The American said:
just cos someone on OG told you something doesnt mean its true. 2 clones isnt really a good test, since they never grow exactly the same. the conclusion i and others came to was that there was NO difference between having clones with preflowers and those that dont (on the rare occasion we can get them without). whilst not in the same league as crap other people come out with, there just really is no point in doing what you said. if there was any point in doing it, dont u think we would have worked it out for ourselfs?
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Apparently not smokey.I think you should reread the entire thread if you think the consensus is there is NO difference between vegging a pistilly or pistil free cut.Or better yet just disregard totally.
I agree,ya know sometimes takin cuts from the bottom (pistils er not) actully slows things down.Cuts from the bottom are much more woody, causin them ta root slower.The more plyable the cut the quicker they'll root,keepin the vigor at it's max.At this point imo it will out grow the mother (or the older cut it came from),almost like resettin it's lil biological clock.Kinda like what stem cells do fer us.MMUHUHAHAHA!!!..... it's mad I tell you.... MAD! lol Take care...BC Sup Solar T !smokeymacpot said:
plants can develop cancerous growths in trees they are call burrells and the wood thcough cancerous is very beautiful, the grain is very wavy and fluid and when polished and finished it is almost like a psycadelic image with a bucnh od different colors and patters.Deft said:
the reason your clones rooted slowly is you took woody cutting. cuts from lower growth should be from new grow tips near the bottom of the plant. try taking a cutting off your mother from a new growth tip that is on the bottom half of your plant.B.C. said:
I know lots about burl wood, have quite a few hardwoods like cherry and ash growing huge burls all over my property. Always on the lookout for dying trees with burls, I want to make some salad bowls with them.. either that or give them to a relative who is a carpenter to make use of them, maybe ask for a humidor if I provide the mats pluss a bunch of burlwood.
I didnt think it was cancer though, I was told in botany and heard it elsewhere that it was just an allergic reaction to any number of things that got inside the phloem, either that or a virus, I have heard both as an explanation to the cause but never cancer.
I didnt think it was cancer though, I was told in botany and heard it elsewhere that it was just an allergic reaction to any number of things that got inside the phloem, either that or a virus, I have heard both as an explanation to the cause but never cancer.
Cloud_Strife
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i believe the concentration of auxins increases the further up the plant you go.. in other words, highest amount is at the top
i would interpret then that shoots from the middle of the plant are the most optimal for cloning.. reason being that it has a fair share of auxins(more than the lower shoots, which, as mentioned above, are woodier, taking a bit longer to root), and would be in a more developed state in comparison to the new shoots up top
i would interpret then that shoots from the middle of the plant are the most optimal for cloning.. reason being that it has a fair share of auxins(more than the lower shoots, which, as mentioned above, are woodier, taking a bit longer to root), and would be in a more developed state in comparison to the new shoots up top
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Deft said:
Actually all the cells in a shoot originate from a single stem cell, so in reality there is a small chance of mutation. How do you think different potato strains are created?? They're all just clones also, because the domesticated potato doesn't produce fertile seeds. But then again, a lot of growers are using perpetual setups without problems.
Cloud_Strife
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C21H30O2 said:
true.. esp if one kept topping the lower shoots for even more secondary shoots, fresh ones would continue to pop out
A lil bit about hormones...
A lil bit about hormones...
There are a several growth hormones,but I'd like ta talk about a couple of the major players,auxine and cytokinine.Auxine is found in higher concentrations in young/new plant material:leaves,stems and *preflowers*. Cytokinine is also found in high concentrations in the young parts of the plants:new leaves as well as new roots.Since most of the young/new growth is at the top of the plant that's where the higher concentration of hormones are.This is why we LST,to redistribute the growth hormones from the maristem to the rest of the plant.If you top yer plant the roots will grow alot slower.When ya add auxines the roots will grow again.This is why auxine is a major ingredient in root stimulators.Auxines are transported ta the lower part of the plant by chlorophyll cells but work better in conjuction with cytokinines in this process.When ya have less cytokinine than auxine the roots will grow.When both are there in the same but higher overall concentrations, the top of the plant will grow.At this point Liquid Karma comes ta mind.High in both these hormones fer good top growth,but it also has other hormones for rooting in it as well,so ya get the best of both worlds......Well the C-99 has me ramblin of topic now. lol So I'll jus say this,doesn't matter where ya take yer cut from (top-bttom) as long as it ISN'T WOODY! But, since most of the hormones are at the top of a plant, I'd rather take my cuts there.Ta me they have more vigor and root easier.Besides, in my case I grow bushes,so it's a good thing ta thin them out in key spots ta help with light penatration.To each there own tho and whatever works best fer you,by all means...Clone on my friends! lol Take care...BC
A lil bit about hormones...
There are a several growth hormones,but I'd like ta talk about a couple of the major players,auxine and cytokinine.Auxine is found in higher concentrations in young/new plant material:leaves,stems and *preflowers*. Cytokinine is also found in high concentrations in the young parts of the plants:new leaves as well as new roots.Since most of the young/new growth is at the top of the plant that's where the higher concentration of hormones are.This is why we LST,to redistribute the growth hormones from the maristem to the rest of the plant.If you top yer plant the roots will grow alot slower.When ya add auxines the roots will grow again.This is why auxine is a major ingredient in root stimulators.Auxines are transported ta the lower part of the plant by chlorophyll cells but work better in conjuction with cytokinines in this process.When ya have less cytokinine than auxine the roots will grow.When both are there in the same but higher overall concentrations, the top of the plant will grow.At this point Liquid Karma comes ta mind.High in both these hormones fer good top growth,but it also has other hormones for rooting in it as well,so ya get the best of both worlds......Well the C-99 has me ramblin of topic now. lol So I'll jus say this,doesn't matter where ya take yer cut from (top-bttom) as long as it ISN'T WOODY! But, since most of the hormones are at the top of a plant, I'd rather take my cuts there.Ta me they have more vigor and root easier.Besides, in my case I grow bushes,so it's a good thing ta thin them out in key spots ta help with light penatration.To each there own tho and whatever works best fer you,by all means...Clone on my friends! lol Take care...BC
blackone said:
I must admit its been a while since I studied botany and dendro in school, but I thought it was a little bundle of apical cells? I have an image in my head of the apical node all blown up under the disecting scope, and it seems to look like many cells that are spliting rapidly and forming the growing stem.
