Cloning a clone of a clone of a clone

[bongman1221]

Hi are there any reasons why it wouldn’t be a good idea to clone a clone of a clone of a clone ect and to keep operating this way.

I am thinking of making a perpetual garden where I veg 4 female plants, take clones from them, allow the mothers to grow back to about a foot high then move the mothers outside to flower and the new clone become the mothers and the process repeats its self. I live in the tropics where the weather will allow me to do this all year round

can you treat marijuana plants this way

 

[smokeymacpot]

yes you can, it works fine, but if you get mutations that are causing problems then you need to create new mothers.

 

[Guest]

I've been doing a blockhead pheno close to 4 years that way,just take all cuts in veg starting with the original seedplant,dont wait until 12/12 to pull cuts.Its best to go towards the bottom of the plant/plants to pull cuts with few or zero pistils.Pistils in veg are unwanted and you want to keep them to a minimum,hence pull from bottom of plant.Its not an end all,just a good policy for perpetual grows.There have been a couple situations just screwing around that instead of taking say 60 cuts rooting them and keeping the best 30,I just massacred a couple whole plants.This is when I realized the more pistilly cuts from near the top didnt veg out near as nicely as the non-pistiled cuts.The vegetating plants were using energy created preflowers instead of foliage

 

[smokeymacpot]

I've been doing a blockhead pheno close to 4 years that way,just take all cuts in veg starting with the original seedplant,dont wait until 12/12 to pull cuts.Its best to go towards the bottom of the plant/plants to pull cuts with few or zero pistils.Pistils in veg are unwanted and you want to keep them to a minimum,hence pull from bottom of plant.Its not an end all,just a good policy for perpetual grows.There have been a couple situations just screwing around that instead of taking say 60 cuts rooting them and keeping the best 30,I just massacred a couple whole plants.This is when I realized the more pistilly cuts from near the top didnt veg out near as nicely as the non-pistiled cuts.The vegetating plants were using energy created preflowers instead of foliage

so your saying not to take cuttings from a preflowering mature plant ?????????
sorry... but this is the reason clones will start flowering in only a few days after changing the light cycle. its a GOOD thing to have on your cuttings! ive found no difference in rooting and growth rate between a cutting taken from a none preflowering and preflowering plant. its about 2 weeks for roots, then it grows like crazy

taking cuts when the plant is actually flowering however will have a slower growth rate or may even die.

 

[Guest]

In a perprtual grow situation thats exactly what I'm saying,if you're not vegging out your cuts and going 12/12 almost immediately,pistilly cuts are fine.If you're going to put your cuts through a few weeks of 18/6 or 24/0,then pistilly cuts are undesirable.You want growth of foliage not growth of preflowers during veg.When people speak of taking a clone from a clone from a clone,it normally pertains to perpetual grows where a mother is absent.Keeping a pistilly mom to flower cuts immediately is just fine.

 

[Levitikuz]

I totally agree, if i take cuts with more pistils on them they dont grow as fast or as good as cuts that have minimal to no pisils on them...but also my buddy has been taking clone of a clone of a clone ect. for a little over a yr now...and its always been the same...

 

[Guest]

Its just two totally different growstyles,with a true sog with little or no vegtime pistils may not matter or may actually be a benefit in flowering duration.I've never done sog and would like to hear from someone about that.I do know from experience the cleaner my cuts are from preflowers when rooted,the lusher my plants are going to be after 3-4 weeks veg.I'll still have some pistils towards the top of the clone but it wont be a preflowered mess before I take her to 12/12.Then I go towards the bottom and take 2 pistiless cuts from each,keeping the best one eventually

 

[smokeymacpot]

dude your going to worry the OP, you've basically said that its undesirable to clone in the way he wants to. all his plants are going to have preflowers, he HAS to veg them indoors because as soon as they go outside they will flower.

like i said, ive seen no slower growth on a clone, except when topping as it gets stunted for a couple of days, but thats it. maybe the blockhead is the problem?? try something else?!?!

 

[Levitikuz]

lol smokey, nah you can clone with pistils,...ive done it a million times

 

[Guest]

Who said anything about not being able to clone with pistils?And why would all his plants have preflowers? Its my understanding he's going to veg inside,take cuts,then flower the moms outside.If anything is worrisome about this thread its the mention of "mutants" which brings visions of people eating cannabis plants lol.Seriously after doing perpetuals for years I've never seen a mutant plant.And I was trying to pass on my knowledge of perpetual grows in general sorry if anyone got confused.When Str8jacket pointed this fact out to me on OG my grows improved significantly

 

[Guest]

i clone flowering plants...i reveg plants...i take clones off of a vegging plant...the cuts from a vegging plant has no problem rooting and rapid growth...a already flowering plant that i take a clone from...takes longer to root and then requires 2 weeks to reveg...if i harvest a whole plant and reveg it takes 4-6 weeks to be able to take my first cut...i clone..flower..clone..flower...just like your asking about...i have had a cut of kali-mist going on five years and it was on its death bed when i got it...peace

 

[Farmer John]

Yeap, we have a Hashplant that has been going for 10+ years, pretty much that way, now im thinking of growing a nice bonsai mother and see how long I can keep her alive..

 

[smokeymacpot]

lol smokey, nah you can clone with pistils,...ive done it a million times

you've smoked to much

Who said anything about not being able to clone with pistils?And why would all his plants have preflowers? Its my understanding he's going to veg inside,take cuts,then flower the moms outside.If anything is worrisome about this thread its the mention of "mutants" which brings visions of people eating cannabis plants lol.Seriously after doing perpetuals for years I've never seen a mutant plant.And I was trying to pass on my knowledge of perpetual grows in general sorry if anyone got confused.When Str8jacket pointed this fact out to me on OG my grows improved significantly

ok, u start a plant from seed and after say 4-6 weeks it will start showing preflowers at each node, even with 24/0 light (some types might need some dark to show this). this shows us the plant has reached "maturity" and is ready to be flowered. BUT its still in veg...
his first moms will show less preflowers, but all clones taken will show them, even if its a clone of a clone of a clone under 24hrs light.

you said having preflowers gives slow clone growth, which seems incorrect to me as ive been doing a clone of clone e.t.c and seed plants and they all grow as fast as each other.
maybe you are getting confused with cloning a plant that is early in flowering?? cos doing that will mean a plant has to reveg on top of rooting ??

i'll show you a pic of a mutant plant, this mutation caused many new leaves to come out yellow and affected a bud, which half was yellow and half was dark green. plant was very healthy, you can see no nute burn, nor does it look like it needs feeding. if you get something odd like this in your clones, then dont reveg them after harvest and be sure to get cuttings from a different mom, so you no longer have mutated plants.



all clones were affected by it, some more, some less.

 

[Guest]

I said preflowering clones under a veg photoperiod will cause less lush veg growth,not less clone growth,It will continue to grow at a normal rate putting out foliage and PREFOWERS.I emphasized the preflowers because that is not what I'm after when vegging cuts,I'm after additional nodes to turn into flowers.I don't want expended energy on preflowers when I can use it on lush veg growth.As for all cuts will have pistils that is just not the case,virtually none of the lower nodes of my mature clones before going 12/12 have preflowers.And these cuts are literally 4 years old.Thats why I say its best to go towards the bottom of the plant on each cycle to pull cuts from.The bottom line is nobody should change a successful process because of anything said here,it's to ignite the lightbulbs in the heads of the heretofore unsuccessful cloners.

 

[smokeymacpot]

well im sorry but im thinking its just in your opinion. are you getting lots of stretch between the nodes?? have you any pictures to show what you are talking about? (pictures say a 1000 words)
i do have a clone in veg right now, with nodes every 1cm and preflowers all over that i can take a photo of in a day or so. i fail to see how it can be any less impressive when there is nothing i can do about preflowers. also to assume its possible to have no preflowers on all the strains and clones that various people grow is wrong.

 

[C21H30O2]

I said preflowering clones under a veg photoperiod will cause less lush veg growth,not less clone growth,It will continue to grow at a normal rate putting out foliage and PREFOWERS.I emphasized the preflowers because that is not what I'm after when vegging cuts,I'm after additional nodes to turn into flowers.I don't want expended energy on preflowers when I can use it on lush veg growth.As for all cuts will have pistils that is just not the case,virtually none of the lower nodes of my mature clones before going 12/12 have preflowers.And these cuts are literally 4 years old.Thats why I say its best to go towards the bottom of the plant on each cycle to pull cuts from.The bottom line is nobody should change a successful process because of anything said here,it's to ignite the lightbulbs in the heads of the heretofore unsuccessful cloners.

allow me to present a possiblity that you may have not conisdered, lower growth has a higher concentration of hormones which would be condusive to rooting. this is why when you take cuts from this area you see better eventual growth, they root faster and have a better root structure. my plants are on 24/0 and every single node has preflowers from bottom to top. that is likly the reason clones taken from the bottom of the plant do better in veg and then again in flower.

 

[B.C.]

Yul be fine doin it that way

Yul be fine doin it that way

I too have done it that way fer years.I think if ya grow stick style sea of green ya might wanna keep mothers,but outside of that cuts from cuts works great.Unless of course...nah jus kiddin lol Good luck and take care...BC

 

[Guest]

allow me to present a possiblity that you may have not conisdered, lower growth has a higher concentration of hormones which would be condusive to rooting. this is why when you take cuts from this area you see better eventual growth, they root faster and have a better root structure.

FACINATING!

Now that you mention it,,,, that may explain so differences I have noticed. I usually use the top growth tip but some of the lower branches do quite nicely.

I tended to think it was the improvment in lighting and circulation. plus it's like a promotion,,, from bottom branch to main light seeker. lol


sup B.C.?

 

[Guest]

Thats a good point C21H,I never really noticed a big difference in rooting speed only veg growth after rooting.When Str8jacket shared this knowledge with me on OG,I didn't insult him by asking for pics or proof,I did what any smart grower considering maximizing perpetual grows would do.I took two clones of equal size one pistilly and one with few pistils and observed the results after 3-4 weeks of veg.Like I said before I encourage whatever is working for you pertaining to cloning

 

[Guest]

ez clone is 99% on plants up to 2 weeks of 12/12, the you start getting real lagging clones...they will still root...it will just take 2-3 weeks