Cloner temp help

[SoCoMMJ]

With the cycle timer type of cloner it can take up to 10 days to sprout roots. Some satori I put in 8 days ago just popped roots today. Leave them and they will grow.

Your cuts don't seem to have the new growth end on them ? You may get roots in the end but then never get new leaves to continue to grow. I always take the clones from the end of the branch, and have had 100% success rate. 100% with that cloner.

You don't need root hormone, clonex, magic solution, nutes, or anything. They sprout fastest in plain water ph'd to 6.

 

[Maxyeild]

Listen man, you need new cuts. I told you once you re-cut they were not going to make it. Fill up your cloner with spring water out of the jug. A few gallons should do it, put new cuts in keep the frozen water jug in and wait about 10 days. Also as far as the lighting need to be way far away is crazy. If you have fluro's you can keep them 2" above the cuts and all will be fine........Good luck

 

[Livnthadream]

With the cycle timer type of cloner it can take up to 10 days to sprout roots. Some satori I put in 8 days ago just popped roots today. Leave them and they will grow.

Your cuts don't seem to have the new growth end on them ? You may get roots in the end but then never get new leaves to continue to grow. I always take the clones from the end of the branch, and have had 100% success rate. 100% with that cloner.

You don't need root hormone, clonex, magic solution, nutes, or anything. They sprout fastest in plain water ph'd to 6.

I clipped the new growth off...am I supposed to not do that? I'm going to get some new clippings and do it right this time. I should of not recut the bottoms.

 

[RockyMountainHi]

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Y do people say "I did summtin - is that bad?" or "I clipped the new growth off...am I supposed to not do that?"


first question
WHAT NEW GROWTH?

 

[opt1c]

Also as far as the lighting need to be way far away is crazy. If you have fluro's you can keep them 2" above the cuts and all will be fine........Good luck

do you see the light in the picture above; he has a t5 over his cloner

a t5 is a little different than a t12 when it comes to fluro's... i've gotten roots days after switching from t5's to t12's with cloners... i think slamming a t5 2" above an unrooted cut is a bad idea; now a lower intensity fluro would be fine at 2 inches; t5's are, however, great over an easy cloner once roots develop to turn it into an aeroponic veg chamber... i've seen sites that sell t5's caution to place them at least 12"s above clones and seedlings to prevent burning... just my

opt1c

 

[Livnthadream]

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Y do people say "I did summtin - is that bad?" or "I clipped the new growth off...am I supposed to not do that?"


first question
WHAT NEW GROWTH?

Because he said he does not see any new leaves growing on top....and me thinking it's best to prevent growth ontop to help induce roots. (becausr i clipped them off)So in return I ask should I not clip the new growth ontop of the clippings? I never asked if that was bad i just want good advise.

 

[RockyMountainHi]

dude - I'm not going to reiterate shit posted a thousand time here -

you grow your way

I just find it bizarre the number of posts that begin I just did so and so; IS IT WRONG?


To my warped and little bitty mind - one might ask prior to beginning, one might read and study.


Then again - one might not I guess.

Not to cop-out but I have a big fookin issue with richyrichs worm casting additions.

but with 3 separate cloners - I cold test drive the notion easily.

But it goes against everything I have tried,
But I've never tried worm casting tea.

I'm kinda busy searching that - your welcome to search your idea,

If it's limp, brown, hollow or dead and slimy - it needs to come off.

I don't advise trimming to promote growth - unless it's limp, brown, dead or slimy

 

[opt1c]

well they aren't worm casing additions... it's an aerated compost tea of only worm casings and some molasses since you're working with cuts that have no roots their considered seedlings for all practical fertilization purposes... a more complex tea is not needed in this regard.

most of the time when cuts get slimed it's a bacteria that coats the plants and suffocates the roots; i tried mycostop, an expensive product that kills other microbes, it worked pretty well but was expensive and didn't last more than one res changeout so there was a give and take... and i'm talking about situations where you have a cloner that was working great and then all of a sudden you start loosing every cut no matter how well you think you're cleaning it... the ewc tea brought my cloner back and i owe it all to richyrich... i highly suggest that you try it yourself before you knock it

there are two schools of thought when it comes to aerocloners one is running a sterile environment and the other is using beneficials to prevent unwanted microbes from taking over; the sterile approach seems to work until it stops working and nothing; not bleach; not physan20; keeps the problem from returning.

the beneficials also have the benefit of allowing slightly higher water temps; it's the same principal behind the bio-buckets just applied to an aerocloner

think of it an an inoculant



for the original poster; take new cuts... read some threads... taking cuts for an ez-cloner is the same as taking cuts for rockwool; you butchered your cuts; don't do it again; leave the bud(shoot; new growth tip coming out between the stem and leaf) on the node (where the leaf joins the stem) and exposed above the neoprene collar... don't play with them either... don't slice stems... everytime you touch a clone in an aerocloner you're asking for disease and trouble not to mention slowing down whatever growth might be occuring... you don't need that much light above a cloner; i'm sure it's raising the temps inside the cloner's reservoir as well being that close; maybe once they've rooted and you want to grow them out but it's overkill right now

read some threads on cloning; search for 7 day clones for tips and techniques on taking cuts..

read up a bit on just basic plant biology; think about the weeds in your backyard and plants around you and how they grow; then look at what you've done to those cuts and ask yourself how and where the growth is going to happen

 

[RockyMountainHi]

I have read - and continue to read - and listen.

From my past experience - and with the water from my tap - I have found any alterations or aldulterations gennerally don't help.

from light nutes to kelp and alfalfa teas.

Even lowering the pH wans't benificial.

As far as temps - I run 78-79 water and air temps about 75-ish - lil cooler than I'd like, but it's a new grow area.



I'm thinking a couple tbs of castings - abiut 1/8 teaspoon of molassas in a gallon - aireate tht for a while; and a few ounces of that in my gallon cloner

 

[Livnthadream]

Alright than I'll grab some clippings tomorrow. I'll post pictures in the near future of my whole setup.

 

[RockyMountainHi]

If shit is going mushy on you, I'd scrub EVERYTHING in HOT SOAPY water. Maybe twice.


I just cleaned my cheapo aero cloner - all the rusty grung crunchys on top - first time didn't get all the crusty's off - also didn't get the cleaner off - killed the first cutting. (If I do anything other than soapy water - I always test with one or two cuts instead of the 20 or 30 it can hold) anyway - Cleaned it again - saoked the cover in lime-away and then rinsed in boiling water - it's back to growin roots.

I run 3 seperate cloners - if one gets a problem - the others are usually ok


I really dunno about the worm casting regiment - I'd like somebody else to jump in and try it.


Since Livn is having issues - he would be a great prospect. hint hint