cloner help

[Cannachef420]

hey there guys, im looking for some advice on getting my ez clone machine to start helping me rather than hurting me...any recipes out there that are guaranteed, or any advice on how i can get my cloner to get me roots quicker? thanks in advance

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

... to start helping me rather than hurting me...

How is it hurting you?

 

[dansbuds]

Yeah .... clean & sterilize every componant of it & try that .

 

[greekgardner]

Yeah .... clean & sterilize every componant of it & try that .

Great Advice

 

[usda101]

Use HTH pool shock .

 

[socialist]

What are your water temps?

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Second post for this guy. After asking a question he hasn't even reappeared in his own thread. This looks like a waste of our time here.

 

[Drift13]

I'm getting ready to build a ez cloner from this thread https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40055
Any pointers, do's or don'ts that you can give me would be greatly apperciated.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

I'm getting ready to build a ez cloner from this thread https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40055
Any pointers, do's or don'ts that you can give me would be greatly apperciated.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=187728


Take one of your spray nozzles to the hardware store and find their drawers of specialty fittings; screws, washers, bolts etc. Find their self tapping screws and look for one that matches the threads on your nozzle. Use it to cut the threads in the holes you drill.

Many containers will leak from under the edge of the lid when the spray hits the underside. Lids that sit flat tight against the container often work well. The old style Rubbermaid Roughneck containers work for a lot of people. If you make one and it drips water like crazy you can buy the next larger size container. Drill some holes in the bottom of your leaky cloner and set it inside the larger one. Some lids seal better if they're used upside down.

If you don't glue the PVC pipes together you can take it all apart for cleaning.

If you drill 2 1/8" holes in the top you can punch holes in the bottom of 6 oz styrofoam cups and use them instead of the neoprene discs.*

*edit; Excuse me. You can fit 6 oz cups in a 1 7/8" hole on up. The short squat 4 oz containers require a 2 1/8" hole. You can buy these at Smart & Final wholesale grocers, restaurant supplies.


If you buy an aquarium heater to keep temps around 75 F, it's best to buy one with the controls on the cord so you can adjust temps without opening the lid and sticking your hand in there.

The more nozzles you use the bigger the pump you'll need to maintain adequate pressure. All you really need is enough spray to maintain a droplet on the end of the cut stem.

Look for a tall container so that there is room for a decent water bath and room for growing roots to hang free.

Read this thread about using pool shock chlorine ...

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=219683

Since your cuttings will have all the water they need for transpiration you don't need to trim leaves.

Some people have problems with too high temps because of waste heat from the pump. A "one minute on - four minute off" timer works good for this. This also allows stems to dry a little for oxygenation. I like it just because there's a four minute window that I can mess with cuttings and not have water spraying all over everything. A GrowColt Repeat Cycle Timer is half the price and more versatile.

http://www.4hydroponics.com/growroom/items.asp?ItemNo=growColtGRND

Most stores selling cookware will have a small inexpensive dial stem thermometer that you can leave dangling through a hole in the top where it's easy to read.

If you cut off the catches on the lid that make it lock tight, its much easier to gently lift the lid to check on roots.

Seal those vent drain holes under the handles


Best of luck to you.

 

[Cannachef420]

hey sorry guys that i didnt get back to my thread faster been traveling and busy at the same time.... im not getting roots in my cloner sometimes until like 18 days after putting them into the discs... then when i do get roots they are very sparatic... im using clonex, super thrive and roots excel for my water mix and using water at temps between 68-72 F

 

[TokerAce]

No superthrive or roots excel. cut your clones at a 45 degree angle at or slightly above node dip in clonex and put in cloner! water temps are a little low but thats where mine run. You can try adding 1 cup of ewct but that works wonders for high temps. The superthrive and roots excel is over kill and might be causing the issue. I use only tap water and clonex dip and in 18 days my roots are huge!.
Bsafe

 

[ak-51]

I'll tell you what I did to get my ez-cloner to start working right:

1. Keep it clean! Let it dry out for days at a time between runs. Clean it meticulously, as if you were going to eat off of it. Blast out the nozzles with a hose, junk collects in there.
2. Make a mock clear-rez solution with HGH Pool Shock. Use it.
3. Just run plain water straight from the tap.
4. Cut clones at 45 degree angle. No cloning gel.

With this method the chlorine seems to retard initial root formation, but once the nubs pop out things take off at normal speed. When I first got it and I was doing things differently I got roots in 3-7 days. Now it's more like 7-14. But after several toxic runs with 100% loss I am happy that it's just working. I think cleanliness is the key.

 

[BrownThumb]

I have heard those things are anything but easy. Closest I have come to that device would be a clone bucket w/ the neoprene discs and a little sump pump w/ a sprinkler on a timer to hit the cuts periodically so they don't die. Cooler water is better than too warm, otherwise you'll get Cyano phunk. I used superthrive too, but not sure it makes a diff. I would change water daily in the bucket, not sure if that applies to your situation. Honestly, I did get roots in about 5 or 6 days with the bucket method on one cutting only, but it's not necessary. You can root in water if you're patient enough. I wish I had not purchased the clone bucket now since it was mostly a matter of confidence and patience, which I assume will be the hurdle for most people new to cuttings. Anyway, good technique as described by others above is the way.

I would add watering/fertilizing before taking your cuts at a 45 is good.
Cutting the leaves in half is not necessary though many do it to slow down transpiration in the cut.
Keeping the cuttings root zone warm speeds the process. For instance, I would set rock wool cubes on top of my LED which gets warm to hot (pay attention so your cuts don't dry out and die if in a hot place).
I have had cuts take from 5 or 6 days to over a month, but in all cases these were clones taken from plants several weeks into flowering, so your results should be consistently better.
Don't give up on a cut as long as it has a little bit of perky leaf material; it will root if it has enough energy to make it through the process before it burns all of its stores.
I do make my final cut under water to prevent an air embolism, but have done it successfully without doing that as well.

Oh yeah (edit) I used rooting powder in that clone bucket all the while thinking as I did that I was a retard... I only use the rooting powder for coco/perlite/rock wool clones now. It could very well be a waste for me to be doing this, real gardeners don't need no stinking rootone, they stick plants in dirt and they root. In other words, I will be doing some clones soon that will not get any rooting powder and I'll bet I do OK.