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"Clone Burger" Anyone ?

robobond

Future Psychopharmacologist
Well as far as being in the pockets of pharm companys they are. Why else would they say marijuana has no medical benifits and at the same time approve marinol for medical use. However I do feel they did proper testing regarding this. Something like marijuana doesnt concern the general public but something like this does so I honestly dont feel they would just let it out without testing it.
 
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mriko

Green Mujaheed
Veteran
Hey c'mon! The FDA isn't some conduit funneling poorly tested goods into our food and drug supply! It acts in the public's best interest! Always!
It is NOT in the pocket of the huge food and drug companies it is supposed to oversee, no way, no how, no siree! It's not like the FDA has ever been pressured into approving certain medications, only to have them kill hundreds once they reach the open market! THAT never happened....

Please, take no offence, but this is very naive and uninformed claim...


However I do feel they did proper testing regarding this.

ok, so how many people for how many years have been test-fed with cloned meat ? Can anyone find about this ?

Irie !
 

robobond

Future Psychopharmacologist
Well in the article it said they conducted a 5 year study. It doesnt say how many people were given it however. Tell me now though can you show me some information to suggest that cloned meat would be harmful to us?
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
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Cloned doesn't mean unnatural or fabricated... lol... the cow still grows just like any other cow... How could it matter if the process was begun in a lab or in a uterus...
It is not as though the meat is synthetic, or created by splicing pig and cow dna together... No Frankenstiens or Chimeras, just cattle grown from a reverted stem cell, instead of a newly created stem cell...
 
M

Mr. Nevermind

Grat3fulh3ad said:
Cloned doesn't mean unnatural or fabricated... lol... the cow still grows just like any other cow... How could it matter if the process was begun in a lab or in a uterus...
It is not as though the meat is synthetic, or created by splicing pig and cow dna together... No Frankenstiens or Chimeras, just cattle grown from a reverted stem cell, instead of a newly created stem cell...


Sounds yummmy to me. Not all cows tasste as good as the others. so why not isolate the cows with good fat content, grow fast and dont have history of disease? Its still meat, its still a cow. You cant look at a field of cows and pick out the clone from the original. With everyone here being fans of breeding plants and cloning for the best plants how can you have a problem with this. We clone living plants to keep the best ones around. why not do that with your food?

I personally hope to see a whole field of cloned Kobe beef cows. Sjit is like butter in your mouth. Just melts no need to chew. Taste Kobe beef and you will be a fan of cloning.





Nevermind
 

Deft

Get two birds stoned at once
Veteran
Long as its an EXACT genetic match who cares, its the same shit as we started with, just like with cloned plants. I know that its a wholy different process but if its 100% the same who cares, Humans have been geneticaly engineering living things for thousands of years, thats domestication.

That being said, I wouldent eat it lol. They should put more money into good breeding practises to make a stable flock, not cloning. The animals might be especialy suceptable to specific desieses etc since they are all the same. I think its an ok idea for fruit trees and orchids and cannabis at least lest see where it goes.
 
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mriko

Green Mujaheed
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I personally hope to see a whole field of cloned Kobe beef cows. Sjit is like butter in your mouth. Just melts no need to chew. Taste Kobe beef and you will be a fan of cloning.

Kobe beef fame is not only from the genes, large part comes from environment and cpecial treatment they receive from breeders. Very strict diet and during final fattening process they are given large doses of sake and beer mash. Each animal gets a daily massage as well.

Deft, for sure we human have "geneticaly engineered" the nature around us (but still through natural processes) for thousands for years, but why damn changing something that has prooved working great since the start of humanity ? bucks, bucks, and bucks again...

Plus, the research was done with meat from 2 bulls and milk from 4 cows, and comparison normal beefs were actually offsprings of the son of original bull. 2 bulls and 4 cows, and it's enough for them to say it's ok ?!!!

If people want to eat cloned meat, well, ok, just eat guys, but it is unacceptable that the FDA scientist who did the research claim that "There is no science-based reason to apply additional safeguards." so no label, no way for people who totally refuse to eat this kind of meat to know what they are eating...

There is already meat from offsprings of cloned animals commercialised in the US and seems "pure clone" food could be allowed for end of 2007. I'm worried about countries who import meat from USA who could end up with stocks of cloned stuff without even knowing it. It's already happening with corn of soya contaminated with, sometimes totally forbidden, GM stuff.

What a wholebunch of shit !

Irie !
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
Veteran
mriko said:
Kobe beef fame is not only from the genes, large part comes from environment and cpecial treatment they receive from breeders. Very strict diet and during final fattening process they are given large doses of sake and beer mash. Each animal gets a daily massage as well.

Deft, for sure we human have "geneticaly engineered" the nature around us (but still through natural processes) for thousands for years, but why damn changing something that has prooved working great since the start of humanity ? bucks, bucks, and bucks again...

Plus, the research was done with meat from 2 bulls and milk from 4 cows, and comparison normal beefs were actually offsprings of the son of original bull. 2 bulls and 4 cows, and it's enough for them to say it's ok ?!!!

If people want to eat cloned meat, well, ok, just eat guys, but it is unacceptable that the FDA scientist who did the research claim that "There is no science-based reason to apply additional safeguards." so no label, no way for people who totally refuse to eat this kind of meat to know what they are eating...

There is already meat from offsprings of cloned animals commercialised in the US and seems "pure clone" food could be allowed for end of 2007. I'm worried about countries who import meat from USA who could end up with stocks of cloned stuff without even knowing it. It's already happening with corn of soya contaminated with, sometimes totally forbidden, GM stuff.

What a wholebunch of shit !

Irie !

If the cows are geneticly cows, why is the meat bad?
How could it possibly be Bad?
Why is it unacceptable for the FDA scientist to come to a conclusion based on science?
Twins are in essence clones of each other. Are twins Bad?
Cloned organisms are completely different than bio-engineered crops.
No Gene splicing, nothing added or taken away, just using the same dna to do what dna does, make a copy.
Cloned beef is, on a molecular level, no different than any other beef.
 

mriko

Green Mujaheed
Veteran
No Gene splicing, nothing added or taken away, just using the same dna to do what dna does, make a copy.

you have no guarantee of that. Never heard of rBST milk and meat ? genetically enginneered bovine growth hormone which makes milk production 10% higher. Made by whom ? Monsanto of course !
And FDA is also deciding wether it will allow the introduction on the market of some genetically engineered fast-growing fish.

Still, about the beef, it would be mostly as it is now, means meat from offsprings, 'caus for now cloning is too expensive (15,000$ to copy a bull) to turn it into meat. Breeders prefer to clone their prized animals and reproduce them normaly.

Irie !
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
Veteran
mriko said:
you have no guarantee of that. Never heard of rBST milk and meat ? genetically enginneered bovine growth hormone which makes milk production 10% higher. Made by whom ? Monsanto of course !
And FDA is also deciding wether it will allow the introduction on the market of some genetically engineered fast-growing fish.

Irie !
Again different from cloning...
 

killa-bud

Active member
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I'd rather eat a cloned cow,knowing it's free of disease,how do I know? why the fuck would they clone a diseased cow?

you people are fuckin ridicules you really are,cloning can and will help a lot of people,

lets stay,like we are,technically impaired monkeys,whatever the hell that means
 

fr33th3w33d

Member
eaten an american store bought tomato? if you have.. you're eating genetically engineered food. pretty much all the tomatos you buy in grocery stores come from government seeds which have been genetically altered. its pretty much everywhere these days, sad but true.
 

Pops

Resident pissy old man
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There are certain advantages to using cloning in both plants and animals. Ahren's Nursery in S. Indiana produces millions of cloned strawberry plants every year. One plant can provide the genetic material for hundreds of offspring.

The rationale for this is that many strawberry,raspberry and blackberry plants can carry latent viruses that will eventually weaken the strain and render it unproductive. We all tend to clone our best plants, those that are the most productive and have the best taste. Good breeders also look for plants that are pest resistant and disease resistant. The same thing can be done with animals. If you find animals that have resistance to certain diseases or are genetically predisposed to to rapid growth, you can clone these animals and raise them in areas where disease or unfavorable conditions would eliminate the livestock without these traits.

Cloning superior animals would cut down the breeding process by years in order to get a large population of disease-resistant animals. Though I can see many advantages of this process, I am still somewhat skeptical about putting our future in the hands of a bunch of plant scientists who work for extremely profit-driven agro companies.

I trust the science. I don't trust the corporate types that make the decisions.
 

mriko

Green Mujaheed
Veteran
eaten an american store bought tomato? if you have.. you're eating genetically engineered food. pretty much all the tomatos you buy in grocery stores come from government seeds which have been genetically altered. its pretty much everywhere these days, sad but true.

Never been USA. 95% of my food is bought on street markets from small organic growers and breeders living not more than 20 km from my home town. And they grow loads of local or old strains (not government seeds) which are impossible to get in supermarket or grocery stores.

Irie !
 

Verite

My little pony.. my little pony
Veteran
Wheres the Chief?

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diggle

Member
mriko said:
Please, take no offence, but this is very naive and uninformed claim...


Irie !

I'm not sure if you're replying to my post with or without the complete and utter sarcasm that I coated it with. The FDA has let a number of drugs slip onto the open market and have them shown to be totally unsafe....Vioxx comes to mind.

I suppose if the cows are genetically identical to regular cows, there shouldn't be a problem. It's when you get into cows that have been engineered for specific traits...bigger body size, higher muscle/fat content, etc etc, that I think the whole science thing could really derail.
 

mriko

Green Mujaheed
Veteran
I'm not sure if you're replying to my post with or without the complete and utter sarcasm that I coated it with. The FDA has let a number of drugs slip onto the open market and have them shown to be totally unsafe....Vioxx comes to mind.

Agh, I indeed didn't see to coating heheh, sorry. it's probably because of these dry days, my brain lacks the right amount of thc for correct functionning... :pointlaug

Irie !
 

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