Clarifications About Nirvana?

[Guest]

Hello there..

I have grown for some years on and off... but never amersterdamn/known varities

always unknown vatities grown by friends/bagseed, etc

well, last year i ordered some seeds from seedbay, transaction went smooth, but the project got scrapped in the seedling stage... and the rest of the seeds acidently got thrown away


and here i am again....

I recently won a 10 pack of nirvana:

Afghan
Ak48
Aurora Indica
Bubblicious
California Orange
Hindu Kush
Nl X Haze
Papaya
White Rhino
White Widow

after some research, i have learned the above varities are the most raved about, so those were what i selected..

But here is my question.

Lateley i have heard people say Nirvana varities are just whatever parent seed they were... crossed with a male Skunk #1. IS this true? I mean, This Is Gypsy's net-site... has he admitted this, or is it just assumed? When i read about the varities, It led me to believe that these are individual inbred lines, some generations of seedlines from other companies.

If they are all really just half Skunk #1, why is this? Did he not have enough space/time to find an appropriate male/female from the parent stock... before making seeds?

Does this mean... Hindu Kush... isnt pure hindu kush, but crossed with Skunk #1? Same With Afghani?

Any info on this would be appreciated.

Also, im curious which of those strains i should grow... i want the most diversity. I only have room for 3 or so plants right now, and have decided to grow 6 plants, 1 of each type of 6 of those varities. I am planning on getting atleast 3 males (which will be tossed), if more/less... so be it... but i want to end up with diferent kinds of bud. What can i expect? I want buds that when cured... will look very diferent from eachother... colorwise/structure.. smell.. flavor..

i know phenotypes play a big role, and i have seen much diversity before... but im still gonna ask

any suggestions appreciated.

thanks

bILL

 

[Closet Funk]

I'm kind of curious too because I have heard the Skunk rumor. Alot of people get purple phenos in all Nirvana strains. I got a few strains from Nirvanas myself and I wouldn't mind knowing the truth behind thier genetics. I also hear that they are F2's of higher priced strains. Who knows!

 

[Guest]

"I also hear that they are F2's of higher priced strains"

thats just waht i always assumed, nothing wrong with that in my eyes..

but if they all just 1/2 Skunk #1... that would suck

 

[CharasMan]

I believe their genetics are simply genetics of other banks crossed to a special skunk of their own.

Take notice, friends. If you notice that certain Nirvana strains ALWAYS have a purple phenotype, and I believe that is the special skunk they used in their crosses. I've seen and observed AK-48's turning purple myself, but never the original Serious AK-47 coloring purple, same goes for White Rhino. Yet the high of each of these respective strains is unique. This makes me think that are indeed originals crossed or reworked.

Do we know what they are doing for sure? No, ofcourse not! But it is obvious what they have does have sufficient quality and has been worked with for a few generations, otherwise there simply would not be good reviews.

 

[Guest]

i still dont get it.

why would they do that?

i mean... to have a great strain, all you have to do is keep inbreeding it... to keep it "similar" to the origional... and then offer it for cheap (the second part, they are doing great at)

but if your gonna breed them all to the same damn skunk #1... thats kinda boring, imo... and not preserving the origional genetics


oh well

im not gonna complain

peace to nirvana! but tell us the truth!

bILL

 

[CharasMan]

i still dont get it.

why would they do that?

i mean... to have a great strain, all you have to do is keep inbreeding it... to keep it "similar" to the origional... and then offer it for cheap (the second part, they are doing great at)

but if your gonna breed them all to the same damn skunk #1... thats kinda boring, imo... and not preserving the origional genetics


oh well

im not gonna complain

peace to nirvana! but tell us the truth!

bILL

How else would you explain the purpling of the strains from Nirvana that usually never occur in the originals?

What people have been saying about the skunk crosses is probably valid, as that seems like the most logical conclusion.

But as long as their beans countinue to yield satisfied customers, who really gives a shit?

 

[Guest]

you must have misunderstood me..

i get that its possible, and for all good purposes.. probably has warrant

i just dont get why they would do that, and not preserve the geneticsd as best as possible... but hey... just me

i just wish nirvana would clear this up.. cuz i want a pure afghani... and will look elesewhere if this one i get isnt as advertised..

like i said though, im not even upset... just caught off guard

bILL

 

[CharasMan]

you must have misunderstood me..

i get that its possible, and for all good purposes.. probably has warrant

i just dont get why they would do that, and not preserve the geneticsd as best as possible... but hey... just me

i just wish nirvana would clear this up.. cuz i want a pure afghani... and will look elesewhere if this one i get isnt as advertised..

like i said though, im not even upset... just caught off guard

bILL

If you want a pure Afghani just grow out Sensi's seeds version, as it probably the best one. Although I cannot tell you from experience, as I've never grown it myself.

Another thing you could do is look for strains that have Afghani in them, such as North Lights and Skunk, which have Afghani. Try to look for the one that's pungent in smell, and has an early finishing time. As those are characteristics of Afghani traits.

Nirvana will not clear this up as it could end up seriously hurting their business. Seems like they do their business in bulk, and a hit to their reputation would cause trouble.

If you plan on going with Nirvana's Afghani, then by all means do so! I've grown out some of their strains and they have given me good results and were reletively easy to grow. I'm sure their Afghani is like any other, it's pribobly heavily inbred so it'll be quite stable.

 

[TGT]

That's what I read some time ago on OG. It seemed to be truth on that board, but who knows. That was a while ago and we all know how rumors spread. I would like to know for sure though. If it is true, it really wouldn't bother me as most strains now a days have some skunk in them already, and no one can deny the fact Nirvana beans are a great buy for what you get. It seems to me I hear about happy customers from Nirvana more so than any other company. There are a lot of great places to buy beans, but for the newbie they are definitely a step above bagseed.

TGT

 

[SmokeRings]

Who cares what its crossed with as long as it performs close to the original strain... i know some strains like afghani do not breed dominant but add positive aspects to the cross like shorter flowering time and yeild, maybe their skunk does the same shit without affecting the strain in ways such as potency or whatever... look as long as you get a close knockoff to the original (real) parents, thats all that matters, and if you want the real deal shit you know better than to be looking at nirvana in the first place

 

[TGT]

Another thing I have noticed with Nirvana genetics is they grow really fast and strong. Could be another hint of a Skunk male being used - hybid vigor.

TGT

 

[Guest]

"and if you want the real deal shit you know better than to be looking at nirvana in the first place"

rumours are one thing... but why cant there just be a genuine company that just takes the origonal parents, crosses a male and female from the stock... and sell the seeds for dirt cheap! no mixing of another kind!

im not argueing here... just wishful thinking

bILL

 

[wannabeebreeder]

yahh i second that billy wonka ....but it's all about the dolla fer the most part we all know that. Their are certain companies out their who are going about it the right way realizing that if they want to be a serious competitor in the seed business their needs to be quality to back it up not just names.

 

[JLP]

Gypsy Nirvana and Nirvana seeds are completely unrelated.

If you wish to know about thier strains from the source they have a message board.


http://www.nirvana-seeds.com/


JLP

 

[stashsecrets]

... but why cant there just be a genuine company that just takes the origonal parents, crosses a male and female from the stock... and sell the seeds for dirt cheap! no mixing of another kind!

im not argueing here... just wishful thinking

bILL

So you are saying that hybrids are confusing to you? I'm not sure I understand you but Nirvana is the best deal on seeds you will ever find. I've grown white widow, k2, Nl x shiva. All of them killer but no purpling. The WW was so dense and potent. I've always heard that mau used a killer skunk #1 male for breeding, and if so thats great. Skunk #1 is only boring if you grow out one pack. Try growing out a hundred and you'll find a bitch so fine you may fall in love lol.

I have utmost respect for Nirvana. They are the place to start and if you can find phenos as good as anything you will ever find in ganja. Just remeber, the grass is always greener on the other side. I had a k2 pheno that was wild. People remeber it and bring it up every now and then, 4 years later to date.



Peace

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

.....I have known Mau of Nirvana BV for many years......in fact the first seeds in bulk that I bought from a Dutch breeder came from him many moons ago and I have asked the same questions that you have asked in the above posts.....

From my understanding Nirvana BV usually have worked with at least three prime males that they have used for many of their seedlines that have been selected from many and come mainly from what was the Positronics days......A particularly special Skunk male.......a Northern Lights male and a Haze male......these have been kept alive and been used to produce many seedlots over the years......Mau himself bred and produced the Master Kush from selected Kush parents and this won him some cups at various times......

...Mau is still searching for seedstock from various landraces out in S.E.Asia mainly these days and has been working to produce something new and exciting.....but has been held back by some recents busts that went down in Holland over the last years.......luckily enough he did not have all his parent stock in one place and has managed to re-coup most all of the genetic material seized.....

 

[Guest]

My Nirvana White Widow rocks. The Northern Lights x Big Bud was not worth keeping. I also have the Aurora Indica of which I have seen nothing but good reports.

 

[Guest]

"Gypsy Nirvana and Nirvana seeds are completely unrelated."

holy shit, im glad someone cleared that up! i have been under the impression that they are the same thing... since i first learned of this site and seedbay

so they have absolutley nothing to do with eachother? what a coincidence,,, the proprietor of this site/seedbay... offers the cheapest/best deal on a company with the same name as his...

spooky

so does Gypsy Nirvana have his own seed company?

im gonna peep that forum fosho...

and..

"So you are saying that hybrids are confusing to you? "

theres nothing 'confusing' about it for me... i just dont think you should call it the same thing... if its 1/2 of somthing else entirely diferent (in this case.. being a Skunk #1). I mean, we all know no two plants are the same... unless they are clones of the parent plant (even that can be argued)... i just have wishful thinking... that you shouldt need to do a "knock off" ...just sell the f2's, with the same name/genetics of the parent stock, and not mix in a skunk

hope im making sense to other people besides me

peace to you all

bILL

 

[stashsecrets]

I hear ya Bill and your intentions are pure I can tell. You will find as you grow many thing are a battle of words. Good is good and bad is bad.


Peace bro,

 

[JLP]

Thanks for the info Gypsy.

If I remember correctly Mau makes your C99 F2 doesn't he.

My favorite Nirvana is the Masterkush.


JLP