Facelesdoll
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What you need to do to make me happy is one day clone one of those suckers and put it into flower and see what the hell happens.
Looks like another one in the background there, no? I had just one or two pop up on a FS C99 a few years ago. None of the other cultivars exhibited this anomaly.
What you need to do to make me happy is one day clone one of those suckers and put it into flower and see what the hell happens.
I think that trait is from the massive amount of Thai in c99. I see that pop once in awhile. Looking like the colas are swelling nicely star.
Epic fail "dude" 0% Thai in c99 eh? See, ^^^ These days folks are to quick to "lol" at someone without actually knowing wtf they are talking about. Do a little research. Grow up a little.Grow up a little.
Now that you've done laughing at people..That lineage chart is loaded with non-verified information, like many of the available pedigree misconceptions, so that's the only "epic fail" here... anyway, neither the Skunk#1, Haze or Northern Lights have actually any thai genes within their pedigrees, according to their originators.
- Haze: mix of 3 different Colombian cultivars (Gold, Magenta/Punto Rojo and Green), according to Sam himself.
- Skunk: [(Mazar x Colombian) x (Colombian x Mazar)] x Acapulco Gold, according to Sam himself as well.
- Northern Lights #5: Afghani x Hawaiian, according to Seattle Greg, who passed the original clone to Nevil back then.
So I'm also laughing at any thai influence on the C99... mostly a watered down Jack Herer in my opinion, which is a watered down Haze on its own nature, being a [NL#5/HazeC x Skunk/HazeC], althought Sensi Seeds could have won the 1994 cup with the C5 Haze cut from Nevil himself, according to some people.
Cheers.
NL Seattle Greg said:Aloha, The 11 packets of seed Nevil received were graded the #1 ,2, 3, were 100% indica, #5 the clone I traded Herbie Nelson for was 50% Afghani & 50% Hawaiian sativa. The others #6-#11 were crosses with Columbian, Thai, and Mexican Sativas. Nevil then sold out to Ben, became partners with Arjan, and then hooked up with the Mr. Nice Crew.
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/57277-post30.htmlNevil said:..Hz C male produced 5Hz1 which won a Cup or 2, this was a daughter of NL5 which won a cup. 5Hz1 when crossed with Sk1x HzC produced Silver Haze which won a Cup. Ben renamed it Jack Herrer. Somebody else renamed it Diesel. 5HzC X Sk1Hz C was not as good as 5Hz1. Mango Haze (5Hz122)is a full sister to 5Hz1 and these two were the best out of tens of thousands.
Sure there is Thai in Haze. According to Sam, Thai and Keralan sativas were bred into O Haze just before the Haze Bros went their separate ways. Sam gave the Haze Bros these genetics.
Nevil's NL5 came from a seed grown by himself. His NL5 is different cut than the US clone
Here's a post by NL Seattle Greg in which he tells he sent seeds to Nevil
In the last post on this page Nevil also states NL-lines he received were in seed form, not clones, but that he later went to US to get the US NL5 clone
Sensi Seeds won the cup with Nevil's Super Silver Haze clone, which they later renamed Jack Herer
quote "ROFL there is 0% Thai in Cinderella 99 dude. I did not see this in any of my 2 packs....interesting." LostTribe 2.1.2017
Epic fail "dude" 0% Thai in c99 eh? See, ^^^ These days folks are to quick to "lol" at someone without actually knowing wtf they are talking about. Do a little research. Grow up a little. https://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/18344Picture_5.png
Now that you've done laughing at people..
Sure there is Thai in Haze.
According to Sam, Thai and Keralan sativas were bred into O Haze just before the Haze Bros went their separate ways. Sam gave the Haze Bros these genetics.
See here..
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7038911&postcount=1443
About NL5..
Nevil's NL5 came from a seed grown by himself. His NL5 is different cut than the US clone only.
Here's a post by NL Seattle Greg in which he tells he sent seeds to Nevil
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/203653-post38.html
In the last post on this page Nevil also states NL-lines he received were in seed form, not clones, but that he later went to US to get the US NL5 clone
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice/4367-questions-nevil-afghani-kush-lines-other-grail-11.html
About Jack Herer..
Sensi Seeds won the cup with Nevil's Super Silver Haze clone, which they later renamed Jack Herer
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/57277-post30.html
lol @ that "New Years Haze"...sounds like a flowering plant into eternity
Yea the origianl version of Haze was 3-way Colombian accoring to Sam, but then Thai and Kerala genetics were bred on small scale into Haze. You can PM Sam all day long, im not that interested.I know all those posts too but I think you are misunderstanding Sam's posts... from what I understand and he has been saying, there is no Thai in OHaze, but there is Haze/Thai, as well as Haze/Kerala and Thai/Haze/Kerala, because several crosses have been done in California.
You can even see those available on the old Sacred Seed's Catalogue:
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Haze/Kerala used to be still available from Seedsman years ago as well. Thai/Haze was crossed to Skunk and released by Cultivator's Choice as well.
It was Sam who explained that Haze was originally a 3 way cross of Colombian landraces, you can even hear him at the latest Hash Church interviews. Anyway he's still around, you just need to ask that to him in order to get the info from first hand, like what I've done.
On the other hand, you claim that Nev's NL#5 came from seeds? How's that possible being a clone-only? That makes no sense.
The only NL#5 that Nev got was the clone Greg sent to him inside a terrarium. Anyway, the point here is that there's no Thai on Northern Lights, although this was the common information until Greg cleared everything on Mr Nice forums. Elmer Bud and myself were probably the first ones addressing the issue on IC like 3 years ago, after Greg first shared the info.
Re. Jack Herer... can you understand "according to some people"? By the way, one thing are the clones the seed companies present to cups, and another is the full lineage from the seed version they usually release to market later.
Some people believe Ben Dronkers won the cup with one of the elite haze clones from Nevil. Then, he released the seeds resulting from this NL/Haze keeper crossed to the Skunk/HazeC male. Of course, only Ben should know the truth.
Sam_Skunkman said:I spread the seeds around Cali etc and I brought the seeds with me to the Netherlands and used them to select clone parents for my unimproved Haze lines I preserved, I did not do much work to improve Haze I was trying to preserve it. The Thai and S Indiana Kerala X O Haze crosses were made by my neighbor, R.L. the junior O Haze grower that made the O Haze poster, as I did not grow much Haze until the next year. So anyway it is now pretty hard to tell but what most have was pure Colombian, green, purple, lime green, silver, magenta, blueish, I saw all this before Haze had anything besides Colombian in it. A little bit has Thai, and even less has S Indian. I will be testing the DNA of my Haze lines and clones, then we will maybe have answers about what they is and isn't, and maybe where all the best Cannabis in Colombia, Jamaica, Mexico came from? India, Africa? Asia? Time will tell.
I have found that my line is fairly inbred as it was not out-crossed except for the Thai and S Indian one year, and that was just a few plants. Most are just pure Original Haze Colombian
To be honest the purple Hazes were maybe stronger but not as clear or as up and high. I liked the lime greens with maybe a bit of Thai blood. I do remember a med dark purp Haze that tasted just like root beer, amazing. I also had a Kerala that tasted just like Vics Metholated it was Camphor for sure, strong as hell but not as clear as I like.
I grew mex seeds from a bag of weed in 1965.
-SamS