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Choco Chiba

funkyhorse

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Have any of you tried this? Paraguayan finnishing in mid may is not pure landrace of old
Master harvestreaper grew a few of these skunkized paraguayans
Did you find a lot of variability in the lines?
little update of the chiba
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All seedhunters arrived too late to southamerica
Usa killed all great weed of old in the 80s in the war of drugs with paraquat and round up
It not only killed the weed. It killed the great food of old. It poisoned a lot of people.
It changed flora and fauna and today all weed and food is glyphosate resistant and hybridized
Usa under the disguise of DEA set up basis in Pedro Juan Caballero in 2006.
Since then ganja quality went downhill, seedhunters arrived after USA to Paraguay or Colombia

Document from the colombian side about the fumigations with paraquat and glyphosate of Usa in southamerica

The paraguayan of the 80s was a very very special sativa. The seeds grown from old brick were giving uniform plants having unique leafs containing between 13 and 21 leaflets, being the highest number of leaflets the strongest plants. The hybridized paraguayans Zamalito and Luiz sourced dont have more than 11 leaflets at best
@harvestreaper Did you find any plant containing more than 13 leaflets per leaf in any of the paraguayan hybrids you have grown?

Zamalito knows what he talks about, everything is hybridized and glyphosated, even more today when the brazilian comandos mafia took over the paraguayan weed business, I guess under approval of Usa because once they set up basis, the real power and orders to corrupt paraguayan government officials come from and are supported by Usa
I really don't know what chiba means or is a reference to. I will ask around for you.

Unfortunately in brazil it takes quite a bit of work to find the strains in their pure form. Unfortunately in brazil almost any bricked seeds you obtain while more than likely is descended of the cultivar that the name originated from probably is no longer pure. Hybridization is common and the afterward the strain will retains the original name. To get the strains pure you almost always have to get it direct from the grower and over the last ten years growers have gone very far underground and are extremely secretive. Fortunately the old native guarani woman who gave us the cutting and the seeds really appreciated the strain and refused to hyrbidize it when growing it for her own personal stash. I couldn't meet her in person. In order for luiz to be permitted into the compound an armed escort assigned by the mafia was required. These were obviously very sketchy people.

We do still have seeds and we will try to make them available one way or the other either as an accession or as unbred freebies.

Master @Kagyu2
It is not clear what your line is sourced from. Is this coming from what Zamalito sourced as Idliit is suggesting? Because you posted a picture after his post and didnt say anything, giving the impression you are validating Idliit word
Could you clear this up? Is your choco chiba also finnishing mid november for you up there?
The "Choco Chiba" is a wonderful line. It finished Nov 14th. Grown in the ground with a custom soil mix. Did not require much fertilizer. The CC was acquired from someone other that my friend in Ecuador. I am looking forward to work with it again this season. Peace

Thank you very much everybody for cultivating and/or trying to source whatever was left after the war on the drugs which was clearly won by Usa with the support of corrrupt local officials and lost by Punto Rojo and old Paraguayan Sativa and have a nice day
 

harvestreaper

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i dont remember the leafs @funkyhorse i enjoyed the choco chiba and kept the one in the pic but lost her in a bust sadly along with mango rosa female and some others ... people tell me which of the varieties they believe are hybrids but i dont know truth myself i did get some later chiba beans from bsc and made a very small batch of f2s on a guerrilla plot think i got a few lurking somewere,, not sure of the quality tho ,, i enjoyed his bengala , manga rosa ,choco chiba and agua verde ,,,ag,,the verde was like a green lemony sativa with thh bud structure or what id call sk/hze structutre lol sorry tom lol but very sat dom ,,,,interesting you made the post as ive had these on the side for the last couple of weeks and will try to pop em soon ,,ive
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had a haze cross in mind ,,i dont know what bsc are currently offering but if i find anything interesting ill try make f2s
"paraguayan "seeds
 

elanius

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I grew the earlier version of Choco Chiba years ago, dont believe its pure NLD but it was very good.
Flowered for about 12 weeks, the smell was identical to one pheno of O.Haze I had, kind of dark/woody/smoked smell, it had cocoa notes in mid flower but disappeared later on. The most creeper high I have ever experienced and surprised me with potency, very psychedelic bud.


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Uploading pics from the gallery is real pain in the ass btw...
 

funkyhorse

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Thank you very much for taking the time for posts, very helpful
I think the same as you harvestreaper after growing different variants of skunk/haze

I didnt know how to call this creeper high and that was the name for this https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=creeper high

I used to call this 20th century high. This is what I smoked most of my life, creeper weed. Creeper high is spiritual weed and is not very sociable
All the pure hazes and combinations of it Thai Haze Skunk having Skunkman as the origin I grew is clearly not creeper weed, at least what I found here. I wonder if the famous 5% keepers is creeper weed?
Not to talk about the rest of the comercial weed, it is mostly hashplants, nothing is creeper weed and this is what I crave
My best weed is the Northern Thai 2008 and when I say it has features of old one of them is creeper high. I only smoked creeper high weed in Asia in VangVieng. But the commercial stock coming from Laos in the canna world is not creeper at all to my surprise

Paraguayan of 2007 was not pure anymore. It seems around beginning 90s hybridization started when seeds were brought from Holland. It doesnt matter if it is skunkized or whitewidowized, it is not pure anymore
Master @elanius
Thanks for teaching the proper word for creeper high 🙏
What do you exactly describe as psychedelic in this strain?
The best batches of Paraguayan 80s was rubbery brick, very difficult to smoke pure. Three tokes of a pinner made you see colours(I hope you understand the meaning, I dont know how to describe this visual colour enhancing synesthesia) and got you rolling on the floor laughing. Not social weed at all. Injected red eyes
Paraguayan of 2007 of course hybridized and probably similar stock to this Choco Chiba
In real life paraguayan brick smoked in Bangkok in 2007 years before and later too side by side with good quality local cambodian brick which by the time was pure race, paraguayan was better. And I wasnt the only one testing it and we all agreed on paraguayan being better. Not to talk about the 80s. Paraguayan was a few levels higher than dutch weed
There was a handicraft industry in south america at flea markets and hand made crafts fairs and it was different beautiful artistic devices for smoking roaches. With decent paraguayan, 3 tokes of a roach got you high 2-3 hours. The industry together with the decent paraguayan quality dont exist anymore sadly today

I simply cant believe paraguayan weed has not made it to the commercial canna. For me hybridized early 2000s paraguayan is better than anything coming from Holland since the 80s
If I had this seed would be the first thing I sprout in the morning

Do you guys know what other strains are sativas creeper high like in the 20th century?
And why breeders breed away from creeper high? How come creeper high is not the most popular and the most sought after high?
Man, if I would be seedhunter, the only strains I would hunt for would be the ones with creeper high, I wouldnt even look at the rest
 

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