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what a great choice of music s2d
the song itself - distant early warning - the album - grace under pressure -
the band - rush -
i'm a huge rush fan
my avatar is their latest - snakes and arrows -
i wonder why i see almost no contrails in the winter, when the sky is cold , and the exhaust is hot should be big contrails.
but in the summer when the sky is hot i see them everywhere. less temp diff should be less condensing of moisture...
the song itself - distant early warning - the album - grace under pressure -
the band - rush -
i'm a huge rush fan
my avatar is their latest - snakes and arrows -
i wonder why i see almost no contrails in the winter, when the sky is cold , and the exhaust is hot should be big contrails.
but in the summer when the sky is hot i see them everywhere. less temp diff should be less condensing of moisture...
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Hi hazy. Yeah, I'm a major fan of Rush. I'm 31 yrs old and been listening to them literally since birth. No other band compares in my book. You can see that for those that don't know the song and album it doesn't have as much significance or as much impact as far as the message goes.
I never noticed the avatar was snakes and arrows till you said something about it, lol. I love Rush so much that I was honestly disappointed by snakes and arrows. I think that Nick Raskulinecz (foo fighters producer) really dumbed down their playing style and had FAR too much influence on the album. Although good by today's standards, I think it's one of their worst albums yet. It lacks the enthusiasm and power that all their other albums had. It's just my opinion, but I think he didn't have an idea of what good Rush music was and probably clapped in awe at everything they played for him. Hence the sound of the album....
Oh well....back to the chemtrails...err, contrails. I would say your question is an interesting phenomena. You would think there would be more during the winter since the cold air is what causes it, but I don't know why not. I see them all year round in my area. You have to remember that the upper atmosphere is always cold. Summer included. However, in the winter, the air is cold, but much dryer, and condensation is essential to contrails. I've seen them spraying all year round in my area, but there would be a difference in how NATURAL contrails form during the seasons. At least I would think so.
I never noticed the avatar was snakes and arrows till you said something about it, lol. I love Rush so much that I was honestly disappointed by snakes and arrows. I think that Nick Raskulinecz (foo fighters producer) really dumbed down their playing style and had FAR too much influence on the album. Although good by today's standards, I think it's one of their worst albums yet. It lacks the enthusiasm and power that all their other albums had. It's just my opinion, but I think he didn't have an idea of what good Rush music was and probably clapped in awe at everything they played for him. Hence the sound of the album....
Oh well....back to the chemtrails...err, contrails. I would say your question is an interesting phenomena. You would think there would be more during the winter since the cold air is what causes it, but I don't know why not. I see them all year round in my area. You have to remember that the upper atmosphere is always cold. Summer included. However, in the winter, the air is cold, but much dryer, and condensation is essential to contrails. I've seen them spraying all year round in my area, but there would be a difference in how NATURAL contrails form during the seasons. At least I would think so.
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no, there aren't less contrails in the winter. there ARE more overcast days however. perhaps you guys aren't as observant as you think.... And i can't understand why everyone is so mystified that these contrails are ever perpendicular to one another...what, do you think jets only fly east-west?? don't you think it would be more weird if there were never perpendicular contrails?? come on people....
stoned2death... 100% of the contrails in your video are naturally occurring contrails from jet exhaust. looks like the air was cold and humid at the time you shot those... i'm willing to bet it rained not long after? maybe that night?
meteorolgy is neat, guys. y'all should read up on it
stoned2death... 100% of the contrails in your video are naturally occurring contrails from jet exhaust. looks like the air was cold and humid at the time you shot those... i'm willing to bet it rained not long after? maybe that night?
meteorolgy is neat, guys. y'all should read up on it
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Wrong again dude. None of those are natural contrails. Not one.
So you mean to say natural contrails spread out in a crystalline fashion to blanket the whole sky because if you were so observant, you could clearly see that in the video. I also stated I see the trails year round, so I don't know what you're assuming.
Btw, all of those shots are from days of 80+ weather....not cold days.
It seems to me you are looking for anything you can to dismiss chemtrails. You, in fact, are the one who needs to do more research.
So you mean to say natural contrails spread out in a crystalline fashion to blanket the whole sky because if you were so observant, you could clearly see that in the video. I also stated I see the trails year round, so I don't know what you're assuming.
Btw, all of those shots are from days of 80+ weather....not cold days.
It seems to me you are looking for anything you can to dismiss chemtrails. You, in fact, are the one who needs to do more research.
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But.. you can't prove that. You have no way of knowing that. What you are presenting is your opinion, but you are making it seem like it is fact when it hasn't been proven. You cannot tell someone they are wrong with nothing to back up your claim.
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Just like you can't prove I was belittling anyone right, Kharma Girl?
Here's a couple photos of spreading chemtrails from the video. Maybe side by side you'll get a better idea. Please show me how regular contrails do this:
Contrails?
Why the spreading?
Crystalline cloud structures pollute entire sky just left of photos above.
Still a skeptic? Watch this fellas video and tell me that you see a contrail or a normal cloud formation. This one is scary.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YjeWCt5RLPE&mode=related&search=
Here's a couple photos of spreading chemtrails from the video. Maybe side by side you'll get a better idea. Please show me how regular contrails do this:
Contrails?
Why the spreading?
Crystalline cloud structures pollute entire sky just left of photos above.
Still a skeptic? Watch this fellas video and tell me that you see a contrail or a normal cloud formation. This one is scary.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YjeWCt5RLPE&mode=related&search=
Stoned2Death said:Just like you can't prove I was belittling anyone right, Kharma Girl?
Here's a couple photos of spreading chemtrails from the video. Maybe side by side you'll get a better idea. Please show me how regular contrails do this:
Contrails?
Why the spreading?
Crystalline cloud structures pollute entire sky just left of photos above.
Still a skeptic? Watch this fellas video and tell me that you see a contrail or a normal cloud formation. This one is scary.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YjeWCt5RLPE&mode=related&search=
I could too but It's waste of my time. I have bigger things to occupy my time. All anyone has to do is go thru your post history. Why should I do any more work then you to prove something?
Listen, all I meant by my last post was that if you are going to say you are right, without much proof, you have to be open enough to allow others to believe what they want, regardless of proof.Seems pretty open minded to me
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FINALLY WE AGREE on something hehehhee
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KGB....we ain't skeered of no black choppers dude.
stizzle....Do contrails grow in a crystalline fashion because of the wind? Contrails don't persist for hours dude. These chemtrails persist indefinitely.
Kharma Girl...Please do look through my post history and show me where I was belittling anyone that day. You specifically stated I had been belittling people already the day I posted this, but you can't prove it at all because I never did it. Anyone can look to that day of my posts and see. I would love to actually.
Now, you say I have no proof, but I clearly have photos of IRREGULAR contrail formation that CLEARLY expands in a crystalline fashion.
I have also posted a number of photos and video to back up what I'm saying repeatedly. So, to say I'm belittling people and not posting evidence is just screwy. I couldn't figure out where you got it from when you said it the first time, and I still don't get it now.
No belittling, tons of evidence. Are you trying to pretend all of this is not there? Are you attempting to discredit me by making frivolous complaints with no basis in reality? Maybe just attempting to cast small amounts of doubt into the topic to keep others from believing what they see?
Don't anyone doubt for a minute that oppositional tactics like this were not expected by me.
Jack Crevalle......glad to hear you like Rush. I would consider that a credit to your intelligence.
stizzle....Do contrails grow in a crystalline fashion because of the wind? Contrails don't persist for hours dude. These chemtrails persist indefinitely.
Kharma Girl...Please do look through my post history and show me where I was belittling anyone that day. You specifically stated I had been belittling people already the day I posted this, but you can't prove it at all because I never did it. Anyone can look to that day of my posts and see. I would love to actually.
Now, you say I have no proof, but I clearly have photos of IRREGULAR contrail formation that CLEARLY expands in a crystalline fashion.
I have also posted a number of photos and video to back up what I'm saying repeatedly. So, to say I'm belittling people and not posting evidence is just screwy. I couldn't figure out where you got it from when you said it the first time, and I still don't get it now.
No belittling, tons of evidence. Are you trying to pretend all of this is not there? Are you attempting to discredit me by making frivolous complaints with no basis in reality? Maybe just attempting to cast small amounts of doubt into the topic to keep others from believing what they see?
Don't anyone doubt for a minute that oppositional tactics like this were not expected by me.
Jack Crevalle......glad to hear you like Rush. I would consider that a credit to your intelligence.
Whatever dude. you exist in your own, paranoid, conspiracy laden little world 
The only think you have is pidtures of what you think is abnormal. Yet you cannot prove it. same way none of us can prove it's normal. See where I'm trying to go? Neither side is "right" cause we can't find out any concrete facts, only opinions and assumptions.
The only think you have is pidtures of what you think is abnormal. Yet you cannot prove it. same way none of us can prove it's normal. See where I'm trying to go? Neither side is "right" cause we can't find out any concrete facts, only opinions and assumptions.
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I'm far from paranoid. If I was paranoid I wouldn't be posting on cannabis grow sites without a proxy, and at the same time making it very easy to track me.
Scientists have shown that these formations are not normal. The funny thing is it doesn't take a scientist to come to that conclusion. Anyone who has ever paid attention to contrails knows this isn't fantasy.
http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/smoking_gun.html
Your world is the fantasy. The truth is out there. Deny all you like. Now I've done part of the research for you.
See, every time you dismiss me as a nut, I come back with more evidence. I am substantiating what I am saying. Not simply dismissing people as paranoid conspiracy theorists. You're never going to even take the time to look at the evidence, and that alone means your opinions are not conducive to an intelligent conversation.
Scientists have shown that these formations are not normal. The funny thing is it doesn't take a scientist to come to that conclusion. Anyone who has ever paid attention to contrails knows this isn't fantasy.
http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/smoking_gun.html
Your world is the fantasy. The truth is out there. Deny all you like. Now I've done part of the research for you.
See, every time you dismiss me as a nut, I come back with more evidence. I am substantiating what I am saying. Not simply dismissing people as paranoid conspiracy theorists. You're never going to even take the time to look at the evidence, and that alone means your opinions are not conducive to an intelligent conversation.
I think this pretty much explains all of the "odd" pictures of "chemtrails"...
To answer this question, lets first identify what a contrail is. A contrail is the condensation trail that is left behind by a passing jet plane. Contrails form when hot humid air from jet exhaust mixes with environmental air of low vapor pressure and low temperature. Vapor pressure is just a fancy term for the amount of pressure that is exerted by water vapor itself (as opposed to atmospheric, or barometric, pressure which is due to the weight of the entire atmosphere above you). The mixing occurs directly behind the plane due to the turbulence generated by the engine. If condensation (conversion from a gas to a liquid) occurs, then a contrail becomes visible. Since air temperatures at these high atmospheric levels are very cold (generally colder than -40 F), only a small amount of liquid is necessary for condensation to occur. Water is a normal byproduct of combustion in engines.
This cloud formation is very similar to the process that occurs when you breath on a cold winter day and you can see your own breath in the form of a "cloud". You may have noticed that on some days this "cloud" you produce lasts longer than on other days where it quickly disappears. The length of time that a contrail lasts is directly proportional to the amount of humidity that is already in the atmosphere. A drier atmosphere leads to a more short-lived contrail, while an atmosphere that has more humidity will lead to longer-lived contrails. However, if the atmosphere is too dry, no contrails will form. Occasionally a jet plane, especially if ascending or descending, will pass through a much drier or more moist layer of atmosphere which may result in a broken pattern to the contrail, with it appearing in segments rather than in one continuous plume.
If contrails persist for a long enough period of time, say on the order of an hour or more, they can spread out across the sky due to the prevailing winds at the level at which they formed. The two figures below show how contrails generated on this particular day spread out fairly quickly due to the stronger jet stream of air aloft. Persistence of contrails is neither an indication that they contain some kind of chemical, nor that it is some kind of spray. As a matter of fact, sailors have known for some time to look specifically at the patterns and persistence of jet contrails for weather forecasting. On days where the contrails disappear quickly or don't even form, they can expect continuing good weather, while on days where they persist, a change in the weather pattern may be expected.
This info was from the National Weather Service. Also, the pics that Stoned2Death posted are from the same website. "Here's an undeniable progression of chemtrails" he says. Hahaha, those pics are right here: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/fgz/science/contrail.php?wfo=fgz
C'mon guys. A simple google search should be enough to find all the info you need. I'm pretty sure that all of those contrails can be explained from the information above.
To answer this question, lets first identify what a contrail is. A contrail is the condensation trail that is left behind by a passing jet plane. Contrails form when hot humid air from jet exhaust mixes with environmental air of low vapor pressure and low temperature. Vapor pressure is just a fancy term for the amount of pressure that is exerted by water vapor itself (as opposed to atmospheric, or barometric, pressure which is due to the weight of the entire atmosphere above you). The mixing occurs directly behind the plane due to the turbulence generated by the engine. If condensation (conversion from a gas to a liquid) occurs, then a contrail becomes visible. Since air temperatures at these high atmospheric levels are very cold (generally colder than -40 F), only a small amount of liquid is necessary for condensation to occur. Water is a normal byproduct of combustion in engines.
This cloud formation is very similar to the process that occurs when you breath on a cold winter day and you can see your own breath in the form of a "cloud". You may have noticed that on some days this "cloud" you produce lasts longer than on other days where it quickly disappears. The length of time that a contrail lasts is directly proportional to the amount of humidity that is already in the atmosphere. A drier atmosphere leads to a more short-lived contrail, while an atmosphere that has more humidity will lead to longer-lived contrails. However, if the atmosphere is too dry, no contrails will form. Occasionally a jet plane, especially if ascending or descending, will pass through a much drier or more moist layer of atmosphere which may result in a broken pattern to the contrail, with it appearing in segments rather than in one continuous plume.
If contrails persist for a long enough period of time, say on the order of an hour or more, they can spread out across the sky due to the prevailing winds at the level at which they formed. The two figures below show how contrails generated on this particular day spread out fairly quickly due to the stronger jet stream of air aloft. Persistence of contrails is neither an indication that they contain some kind of chemical, nor that it is some kind of spray. As a matter of fact, sailors have known for some time to look specifically at the patterns and persistence of jet contrails for weather forecasting. On days where the contrails disappear quickly or don't even form, they can expect continuing good weather, while on days where they persist, a change in the weather pattern may be expected.
This info was from the National Weather Service. Also, the pics that Stoned2Death posted are from the same website. "Here's an undeniable progression of chemtrails" he says. Hahaha, those pics are right here: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/fgz/science/contrail.php?wfo=fgz
C'mon guys. A simple google search should be enough to find all the info you need. I'm pretty sure that all of those contrails can be explained from the information above.
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Why not post what NASA has to say about chemtrails, oh sorry, contrails too? They have a whole website dedicated to contrail education now days. http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/
I wonder where that website got those photos from? Let's see:
Very interesting that the national weather service would have pictures taken directly from a major chemtrail website. Funny they failed to post all of the pictures and the entire progression. They don't want you to see that it actually blankets the whole sky because most people with common sense will know that is unreal. WHERE are the pictures of contrails blanketing the sky from 30-40 years ago? Surely if this is natural phenomena it has been observed this way for a LONG time right? Why did people start asking questions anyway? Because they noticed a CHANGE.
Unfortunately, I've already shown two videos of the government directly involved in spraying things from planes. Denying it beyond that is a conscious choice to ignore it.
Oh, and just because lightwatcher is the source, doesn't mean you can't verify this:
This video shows contrails forming and dissipating right along side of chemtrails and has some of the best research on the subject. From www.carnicom.com the same place the national weather service stole those photos from. Wonder why they would be trying to directly discredit this website. Here's the video: http://tinyurl.com/296fl5
I wonder where that website got those photos from? Let's see:
http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
Very interesting that the national weather service would have pictures taken directly from a major chemtrail website. Funny they failed to post all of the pictures and the entire progression. They don't want you to see that it actually blankets the whole sky because most people with common sense will know that is unreal. WHERE are the pictures of contrails blanketing the sky from 30-40 years ago? Surely if this is natural phenomena it has been observed this way for a LONG time right? Why did people start asking questions anyway? Because they noticed a CHANGE.
Unfortunately, I've already shown two videos of the government directly involved in spraying things from planes. Denying it beyond that is a conscious choice to ignore it.
Oh, and just because lightwatcher is the source, doesn't mean you can't verify this:
This video shows contrails forming and dissipating right along side of chemtrails and has some of the best research on the subject. From www.carnicom.com the same place the national weather service stole those photos from. Wonder why they would be trying to directly discredit this website. Here's the video: http://tinyurl.com/296fl5
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Oh, and I soooo love the explanation for a broken chemtrail. Plane descending through pockets of different temperature air? Doesn't explain photos like this horizontal broken trail.
Read it, live it, love it or leave it:
http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe-Weird-Things-Pseudoscience/dp/0716733870
http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe-Weird-Things-Pseudoscience/dp/0716733870
