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More on the Buddhist 'Ten Worlds'

More on the Buddhist 'Ten Worlds'

September 26, 2003
"World Tribune"
page 11
"Back to the Basics"
"Examining the Ten Worlds"

Sam Cady examines the Buddhist concept of the Ten Worlds, the 'range
of potential states or conditions that a person can manifest and
experience in his or her environment.'

"This chanting stuff is never going to work. But what if...?"


Imagine a young man sitting down for the first time in front of the
Gohonzon and chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. Chanting desperately. He
and his wife are going to be thrown out of their apartment within 24
hours; they have no jobs, no money, no credit, no chance of paying for
lodging, even if they find it that day.

Now put yourself inside that young man's mind as he chants: "This is
stupid. I must be losing my mind. This chanting stuff is never going
to work. But what if...?"

OK, now hold that thought. The Buddhist concept of the Ten Worlds is
used to describe the range of potential states or conditions that a
person can manifest and experience in his or her environment.
Individually, they are:

1) The world of hell: a totally limited condition in which living
itself is misery, and anger and rage become a source of further
self-destruction.

2) The world of hungry spirits (also called hunger): endless desire in
which one is never truly satisfied.


3) The world of animals (also called animality): a totally instinctual
condition, without reason, morality or wisdom.

4) The world of asuras, or warlike demons in Indian mythology (also
called anger): persistent, though not necessarily overt,
aggressiveness and excessive pride, which prevents one from seeing
oneself or others as they truly are.


5) The world of human beings (also called humanity): control of
desires and impulses with reason and desire to harmonize with one's
surroundings.

6) The world of heavenly beings (also called heaven or rapture):
contentment and joy caused by release from suffering or satisfaction
of desire.


7) The world of voice-hearers (also called learning): self-development
through learning the ideas, knowledge and experience of others.

8) The world of cause-awakened ones (also called- realization):
seeking self-development and lasting truth through the observation of
natural phenomena.


9) The world of bodhisattvas: working toward enlightenment both for
oneself and others.

10) The world of Buddhas (also called Buddhahood): a state of perfect
and absolute freedom in which one realizes the true nature of life.


There is an obvious qualitative progression from the bottom, hell, to
the top, Buddha. Because of that, one might be led to think that the
point of Buddhist practice is to eradicate the lower worlds and
maximize the higher ones.

There was a time in my own practice when I would actually
talk--silently--to the Gohonzon, saying that I'd be happy just to
establish a permanent state of rapture and leave the other ones higher
up for later, when I had more energy.

In a sense, that's how Buddhism was taught prior to the Lotus Sutra;
each world was given its own physical space and the beings therein
were rated by the quality of the world they lived in.

But with the Lotus Sutra, a whole new view of reality appeared. The
Ten Worlds were now defined as internal conditions, present in all
life. Even more astounding was the revelation that each world actually
contained all the others as potentials. As conditions change, so do
the worlds being manifested; identity was no longer fixed and
absolute. Thus, for the first time, the promise, if not the process,
of truly revolutionizing our lives was revealed. (For further
explanation of this concept, which is called the mutual possession of
the Ten Worlds, please read The Wisdom of the Lotus Sutra, vol. IV,
pp. 171-224.) (SEE DEFINITION BELOW)

So how do we apply this?

Regardless of which of the Ten Worlds we are currently experiencing,
no matter how confusing or disgusting its nature, through Buddhist
practice we develop the faith that each world possesses a potentially
enlightened or, more simply, happy aspect. We can be truly realistic
in our optimism.

The solution to a problem, from the Buddhist point of view, is
actually found within the problem. The critical factor is our belief
in the transformative power of life as taught in Buddhism. When we
develop and act upon this belief, then hell can become happiness,
hunger can become happiness, anger can become happiness.

This is precisely what Nichiren Daishonin meant when he said, "To have
faith is the basis of Buddhism" (The Writings of Nichiren Daishonin,
p. 832).

And what of the young man and his wife, chanting with no obvious hope
of a solution? Remember that the young man asked a critical question,
"What if?"

I think, at that moment, he would have chanted for wall-to wall
carpets, a fireplace, a garden, a nice neighborhood to live in. and I
think he would have wanted them that very day. And, on a deeper level,
even though he would only acknowledge it later, he would have been
chanting to finally lead a meaningful, contributive life.

Sounds crazy, right'?

You should know, though, that his prayers came true. Trust me on this;
I was that young man.

By Sam Cady
San Francisco
 
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The Mutual Possession of the Ten Worlds?

The Mutual Possession of the Ten Worlds?

The ten worlds were originally thought of as distinct physical realms
into which beings were born as a result of accumulated karma. For
example, human beings were born in the world of Humanity, animals in
the world of Animality and gods in the world of Heaven. In Nichiren
Daishonin's Buddhism, the ten worlds are instead viewed as conditions
of life that all people have the potential to experience. At any
moment, one of the ten will be manifest and the other nine dormant,
but there is always the potential for change.


This principle is further expressed as the mutual possession of the
ten worlds -- the concept that each of the ten worlds possesses all
ten within itself. For example, a person now in the state of Hell may,
at the next moment, either remain in Hell or manifest any of the other
nine states. The vital implication of this principle is that all
people, in whatever state of life, have the ever-present potential to
manifest Buddhahood. And equally important is that Buddhahood is found
within the reality of our lives in the other nine worlds, not
somewhere separate.


In the course of a day, we experience different states from moment to
moment in response to our interaction with the environment. The sight
of another's suffering may call forth the compassionate world of
Bodhisattva, and the loss of a loved one will plunge us into Hell.
However, all of us have one or more worlds around which our
life-activities usually center and to which we tend to revert when
external stimuli subside. This is one's basic life-tendency, and it
has been established by each individual through prior actions. Some
people's lives revolve around the three evil paths, some move back and
forth among the six lower worlds, and some are primarily motivated by
the desire to seek the truth that characterizes the two vehicles. The
purpose of Buddhist practice is to elevate the basic life-tendency and
eventually establish Buddhahood as one's fundamental state.


Establishing Buddhahood as our basic life-tendency does not mean we
rid ourselves of the other nine worlds. All these states are integral
and necessary aspects of life. Without experiencing the sufferings of
Hell ourselves, we could never feel true compassion for others.
Without the instinctive desires represented by Hunger and Animality,
we would forget to eat, sleep and reproduce ourselves, and soon become
extinct. Even if we establish Buddhahood as our fundamental
life-tendency, we will still continue to experience the joys and
sorrows of the nine worlds. However, they will not control us, and we
will not define ourselves in terms of them. Based on the life-tendency
of Buddhahood, our nine worlds will be harmonized and function to
benefit both ourselves and those around us.

http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/faqs/mp10worlds.htm
 

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"Irrespective of whether or not others notice your efforts, it is important that you do your best so that you yourself have no regrets, and to dedicate your life to the Mystic Law. Please be confident that the Buddhas and bodhisattvas are observing your sincere efforts, even if no one else does. The heavenly deities and the Daishonin know each and every struggle. I’m counting on your brilliant endeavours!"

SGI Newsletter No. 6609, 53RD SOKA GAKKAI HEADQUARTERS LEADERS MEETING,
Nothing Compares to the Radiance of Youth, October 13th, 2005, translated
October 21st, 2005
 

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7. The Mutual Possession of the Ten Worlds


Ikeda: People need to grow. Leaders, especially, must not lull themselves into complacency, thinking, “Haven’t I done enough already?” Rather, they should always reflect, asking such questions as, “Am I truly going in the right direction?” “Is my present state of life how it should be?” “Am I sure no one in the community is suffering?” We need to examine everything with clear eyes. Only when we can reflect seriously upon ourselves have we truly internalized the message of the Lotus Sutra, the “scripture of human revolution.”

From a certain standpoint, nothing is as valuable and fragile as a human being. Nor, perhaps, is anything potentially as base or cruel. On the other hand, there is no limit to how strong or noble a person can become through cultivating the heart. One’s spirit has no color, shape, or dimension, but given the proper conditioning it can expand boundlessly.

Our present state of life, while it might be seem stable, is in fact a fleeting phenomenon, an expression of truth of temporary existence, This means that our lives are changing constantly, never pausing for even a moment.

Endo: The view that all things are in a constant flux is termed the truth of nonsubstantiality.

Ikeda: Precisely because our lives are nonsubstantial, there are no limitations on the extent to which we can develop. We must not become attached to whatever aspect of the self appears at any one time; there is always change. The real issue, therefore, is the way in which we change—whether for better or for worse. It can only be one or the other.

Suda: Some people stop trying to develop, claiming they are incapable. But they are just spoiling themselves. If we are not moving forward in life, we are moving backwards.

Ikeda: Indeed, as Nichiren Daishonin says, to not advance is to retreat. In particular, there is nothing more deplorable than when the leaders of an organization stop growing. When this happens, everyone suffers. This is precisely why human revolution is essential. The important point is to make a fresh start—to renew oneself—every day.

(from: The Wisdom of the Lotus Sutra {A Discussion}, vol. IV, pg. 171)
 

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My son and his wife have just headed to the hospital to go give birth to my granddaughter. We will go up to the hospital to be a part of the joyful day :) The Babba's are about to be grandparents :)
Tears of joy :)
Nam myoho renge kyo!!
 

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Papaw and Mamaw Bud!

Papaw and Mamaw Bud!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

I'll be so happy if I can get to that point in the future!

CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH OF YOU!!!

[hello Ms.G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

[thanks for more outstanding posts SoCal!]

[no matter what I say out here, it has nothing to do with taking anyone's PM public!] :moon:

ALL OUR LOVE TO EVERYONE!!!

The Doobies
 

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This new guru thing...

This new guru thing...

Just for the record, this is my PM back to admin when asked to accept this responsibility (it's mine so I can post it):

I am speachless and not worthy. Would not having a title like Guru sound a bit pretentious? If it can be worn as a mantle of being an individual that members can approach with issues, in a desire to gain a broader perspective; I like to think I can be counted on that now. Then you're just putting a name on what I am trying to do here almost every day anyway. It is an honor that you have chosen to consider me.

Do you think it would be in conflict with my Chanting Growers Group thread? I would take such a responsibility seriously, so please understand this is not a light matter of consideration for me. I understand all of the rules, but might I just ask BOG via PM what he thinks the title of Guru would do?

I am again so flattered! Thank you! I'll let you know shortly. Thanks for your patience.

Thomas


So--I did not seek this, but I did accept it. If there is anything I can do for anyone, let me know. You might as well be talking to a priest--the privacy rules are that strict. I have not only been around the block; I have done so many times. Please trust that there is no issue too big or too small if it is something that bothers you. Let your heart be your guide...
 

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"Plato (427–347 B.C.E.) declared: “What a difference there is between a man who has learnt this lesson and one who has not, between the trained and the untrained. . . !” And he further divided formal lessons into two categories: “physical training for the body,” referring to sports and physical education, and “cultural education to perfect the personality,” referring to music and other artistic accomplishments.

"It is true that, as time goes by, big differences become evident between those who have striven to learn and those who haven’t, and those who have undergone training and those who haven’t. Having observed many people in my life, I can vouch for this.

"It may seem like more fun to spend your days freely pursuing your own personal amusements, but that is a dangerous illusion. A life ruled by cravings and desires is inferior to an animal’s. Regrets about not having made an effort to learn or improve yourself when you had the chance are very difficult to redress at a later date. On the other hand, people who apply themselves fully to studying when they’re young and really throw themselves into something worthwhile are bound to shine with the passage of time and become genuine victors in life.

"We, in particular, are daily studying and practicing the Daishonin’s Buddhism, which expounds the Mystic Law, the fundamental law of life that pervades the entire universe. Despite encountering various problems and challenges along the way, we continue to strive earnestly to take positive action for the sake of our friends, our societies, and the world, with the aim of realizing the great vow of kosen-rufu. There is no way of life more noble or admirable. Please be assured that all of your efforts will become your strength and a source of good fortune."


SGI Newsletter No. 6609, 53RD SOKA GAKKAI HEADQUARTERS LEADERS MEETING, Nothing Compares to the Radiance of Youth, October 13th, 2005, translated October 21st, 2005
 
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a guru?

a guru?

PTD, I do not understand this title given to you and could not find anywhere on this thread to get a clear definition. Pls direct me or tell me what this all means; you mentioned you were going to PM Bog to find out what it entails but no mention here what it involves. Just wondering.
 

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Welcome Pure Land! We are happy to have you! As you read more and articulate questions, just ask away and do not hestitate to join the conversation.

SoCal-- Just check the announcements forum. It's all explained in there.
 

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Welcome Pure Land
Wow what an awesome week this has been. To hold my granddaughter wow. Thankyou all so much for the congratulations and of course for the encouragement. So many great things to chant and give thanks for.
nam myoho renge kyo :)
 

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Pure Land,

Go to www.sgi-usa.org. You will find that the SGI has done much work for Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism in the United States as well. The key is that we don't rely on temples, but base most of our individual chanting in the convenience and privacy of our homes in front of the object of devotion, the Gohonzon.

The SGI has many community centers throughout the US, but generally relys on offered places of gathering, the SGI members homes, to have discussion meetings and group gathering activites for chanting.

It's so good to have another person living in asia here! Welcome!

Congrats again on the new grand-daughter, to the Babbas!
 
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Little girl!!! What a Joy

Little girl!!! What a Joy

Babba, congratulations to your family on the new addition. My 1st 2 children were girls and I have only great memories of the joy that they bring. I agree, so much to be thankful about at this time. I wish continued good fortune to all here at the Chanting GRowers Forum. :wave:

Nam myoho renge kyo
 

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Pure Land, what Tom and the others have taught me is such a revelation. Here I have found what I saw in a vision as a teen ager.

Always trying to incorporate what I saw in Christianity was difficult but I have found many similarities in what Jesus taught and what the Buddhas taught. He used expedient means to teach a road toward the truth and he is one of my teachers.

Nichiren seems to have further developed buddhism in the modern world with his insights into the real truth of the heart of the lotus sutra. This heart and meaning is nam myoho renge kyo and just chanting this is the same as saying the whole sutra!

It seems all too easy but in very little time I have learned the power of this chant and it proves itself to the seeker. You probably know all of this. I am just a beginneer in the buddhist precepts but part of that is because of my vices.

I would encourage you to participate fully here Pure land. Please feel free to ask Tom and the others questions as they like a little debate. You seem very civil and intelligent to me. Welcome to this fine world where Tom is the Guru.

BTW, Tom hold a very important site recognized title now and he is what we used to call a "mentor" for the site now. This means that he is trusted by our site and that admin feels he has the spirit desired in our world here at icmag.

The internet creates a billion world in a single moment but its just a drop in the bucket really.

Last word to you Pure Land is that all rivers lead to the same deep ocean of the truth and there is one truth of the fact of the universe. Once we all see this truth we will be one and kosen rufu will occur. BOG
 
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"BTW, Tom hold a very important site recognized title now and he is what we used to call a "mentor" for the site now. This means that he is trusted by our site and that admin feels he has the spirit desired in our world here at icmag."
I hope you mean this thread Bog,I would shudder to think I am being forced into Buddism!
or is the site now a Buddist pot growing site?I like all you guys,but my beliefs are different then yours,I feel lately this Buddist stuff is being forced down my throat!!!
 

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Hey Red

Hey Red

I understand how you feel. I really do. This is not a buddhist pot growing site and I hope no one ever tries to force anything down your throat. People that chant talk about it alot because it is mind blowing. That's all.

We're cool man. No one wants to take anyone anywhere that they aren't comfortable going. We all just want people to try it and base their opinions on personal experience. I think you probably have already done that, or you wouldn't have been to the thread to read BOG's post.

I have never forgotten your birthday/anniversary wishes post back in July. The big thing here is no one is wanting to have anything happen that makes someone else unhappy. If it has made you unhappy, talk to me about it in a PM. This was not the admins intention, I am sure of it.

I'll respect what you have to say, I promise.
 
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Come on Red we know you better then that .... if you didnt want to read whats on this thread you just wouldnt come here. Glad to see you drop in Red. We need all the diff ideas and diverse ways of thinking to make us one big melting pot. Its good to see as many points of view as possible. Im sure if you start a thread of what you do believe in Red that no one will think your trying to MAKE them believe what you believe. I love the idea about a "guru of shit stirring" :) was a great laugh. Red our ideas are different but very much the same. I see alot of myself in your post. Nice to see you all
nam myoho renge kyo !
 
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Hey Guys!

Hey Guys!

Silence...not today. Need a little reality here.
I have been a member of SGI-USA for 15 years. Our ONLY mentor is President Daisaku Ikeda. There is NO lay person who is a priest. Nor is there a GURU. So I hope that all that is in here understands that this is an ICMAG title and nothing that reflects our practice in Nichiren Daishonin Buddism. 90% of the material that is put in here is copied and pasted from books available from SGI on line or as SoCAl and Avid Lerner, who are members, share material from their District Meetings or publications being the World Tribune and Seikyo Times, which I and many other members receive.
This is all extremely out of hand to me and a little scarey. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and get a grip. Southern Girl
 
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Southern Girl these are ICmag title and have nothing to do with the SGI. Thomas has been asked to be a leader of a thread that he has already been a lead in . There is also an info officer guru , a soil guru , a hydro guru , a greeting guru. Thomas is known on this site as a very caring person and has been asked to wear this title and to be around in case anyone has anything personal that they want to discuss or maybe a personal problem that they might want to share with someone who is not judgemental.... that is it .... Obviously has nothing to do with the SGI and the SGI has never been mentioned .... ok just needed to make that clear :) I think its a great idea... there are ppl here throughout the site to help anyone with anything that they may need help with . It is all voluntary and only has to do with ICmag , growing and the energy that comes along with it ... which many times and be paranoia or maybe a moral question... we are all here to help its just that some have shown more help then others and thus have been asked by admin to wear a title so that they may be easily identified :) Many of the medical users here may have questions about death, life , pain , living , many diff things come up in the MJ community ... great to know someone is around to help :)
 
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