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Illumination

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CMH Retro Grown main c99 colas

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Illumination

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Great News from Advanced Tech Lighting

Great News from Advanced Tech Lighting

I ordered 6 retro white 400's to hold me over until I upgrade to the 315's and rec'd them in 2 days from ATL
They also sent me this awesome info on a MOGUL BASE 315 and the Philips Ballast for the 315-210

NEW UNRELEASED Ceramic Metal Halide Lamp for 210 and 315 this is not the T9 PGZX-1 current availbe lamps (those thin tubed ones) these are better
to our customers please pass around
http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmmw.htm
Past USA customers email right after order for a $20 usd rebate per combo pack, (as an extra thanks and sorry for some of our past delays)
just email right after order and our pricing reflects how much we care about the end customers out of pocket costs.
Buying with our combo pack saves you this.
also shipping is including in the combo packs
each combo pack comes with a
Philips MasterColor CDM Elite MW Lamp 210 or 315 watt 4k Mogul socket Lamp
and Philips Advance Ballast (that drives either the 210 or 315 by a simple switch
remember the combo sale price is with shipping also (USA customers) check out the savings even from our standard non combo sale price. especially vs our competitors exaggerating or just ripping you off
Combo Packs 1 2 3 4 5 6
combo sale $260.00 $510.00 $760.00 $1,000.00 $1,220.00 $1,445.00
Saved W/combo without shipping
$5.00 $20.00 $35.00 $60.00 $105.00 $145.00
Saved With Combo & Ship $15.00 $35.00 $55.00 $85.00 $135.00 $180.00


Also the 860 for $99
the
860 watt
http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmea860.htm

That is less than 1/2 the cost for the inferior DNA Chinese Manufactured Ballast which is GEL. These are the PHILIPS Ballast specifically for these lamps, and will carry and be honored with the Philips warranty which will be void if run on the DNA. GEL, DNA, and some Electrical Supply house all share the same address in Idaho.

Hope it helps. Sure is a good deal for the lamp and Philips ballast and you can continue to use your same hoods and sockets.

As I have years of stock left in retro whites and my mag coil ballasts are only one year old it will be a while before I upgrade so just wanted to pass on what I see comparatively as a great deal on the new lamps and ballast.
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Interesting, the 210w bulb has a lot of uv-b, I wonder if it would do a better job with plants than the 250w retro white. I need to replace my current retro white soon, but the bulbs are (still) insanely pricey locally.
 
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psyphish said:
Interesting, the 210w bulb has a lot of uv-b, I wonder if it would do a better job with plants than the 250w retro white. I need to replace my current retro white soon, but the bulbs are (still) insanely pricey locally.
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bear in mind you would also need the ballast for the 210

And some of our electrical lighting folks please note that the DNA ballast's listed info is not mathematically possible to be accurate and no UL listing

Apologies but thats an insignificant amount of uvb and will not effect causation in the cannabinoid synthase/ ratio manipulation we seek...at least 150-400 mw/cm2 is required
 
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Illumination said:
Apologies but thats an insignificant amount of uvb and will not effect causation in the cannabinoid synthase/ ratio manipulation we seek...at least 150-400 mw/cm2 is required
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My plants are frostier under the 250w Retro White than the 315w Agro, the only reason for this that I can think of is the lack of uv-b in the Agro. Would the better spectrum be bad for trichome production? So far my frostiest plants have all grown under the 250w RW.

It would be great to test the 940 daylight bulb as well to see if that would improve the trichome output.
 
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the agro sux...the 942s da shiznit

uvb and blue light do not increase trichome production but rather manipulate the cannabinoid ratios in favor of psychoactivity
 
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Carlos Danger

It's been a while since I dealt with lamp technology. I have my older 400w CMHs, could someone with a better knowledge explain what's changed recently? I've been attempting to figure it out on my own digging back, but am still confused. Philips discontinued the old 400w but has made two smaller models, and there's now a 900w available?
 
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MEnSouRdeeZ

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psyphish said:
My plants are frostier under the 250w Retro White than the 315w Agro, the only reason for this that I can think of is the lack of uv-b in the Agro. Would the better spectrum be bad for trichome production?
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I have had similar experience. The retrowhites have no significant uvb output, effectively 0. My thinking is that the full representation of the color spectrum activates all pathways and creates a more complete terpenoid/active constituent profile, and accordingly a more complex stone. The newer lamps focus less on consistent output wavelength to wavelength and despite high photosynthetic photon count may only be activating some of the photosystems or using only some pigments etc..
Also blue light is more abundant in the retrowhites than in most of the newer lamps, and we are all familiar with what increased blue light can do for quality..
Also in response to necessary uvb levels I have seen many say that 100-150 microwatts is sufficient and does not compromise yield like higher uvb runs have.. 2c
 
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SB7

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I've been looking to replace my 400CMH with a 315, too bad that "philps" ballast is a 200-277V input only.
 
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Illumination

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k-s-p said:
That's what I thought but was confused by the ouput listed, thought maybe a step up transformer?





I'm a little confused, are you saying that the DNA ballasts don't run on 120 V? Sorry if I'm being thick here. Maybe GreenWith Envy can help out here also.
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No it is the Philips Ballast that is 220 volt
 
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MEnSouRdeeZ said:
I have had similar experience. The retrowhites have no significant uvb output, effectively 0. My thinking is that the full representation of the color spectrum activates all pathways and creates a more complete terpenoid/active constituent profile, and accordingly a more complex stone. The newer lamps focus less on consistent output wavelength to wavelength and despite high photosynthetic photon count may only be activating some of the photosystems or using only some pigments etc..
Also blue light is more abundant in the retrowhites than in most of the newer lamps, and we are all familiar with what increased blue light can do for quality..
Also in response to necessary uvb levels I have seen many say that 100-150 microwatts is sufficient and does not compromise yield like higher uvb runs have.. 2c
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On indica doms etc I agree....but with sativa doms and sativas 300-400 will make product that scares most people
 
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Just received this email notice from Advanced Tech Lighting

Important information we need to inform our customers of, Please share

two lamp series are covered below the MW 210,315 and the CDM860

http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmea860.htm
Important Warranty Note:
*Ceramic Metal Halide Lamp Optimal Frequency is <174hz
The CDM860 was especially designed for 50/60hz sine wave
In English CMH prefers* a 50,60hz Standard Magnetic Core
*or* electronic ANSI RATED <174hz utilizing a low frequency square wave (LFSW) (which does not exist)
and NOT for* High Frequency Ballasts (these Literally Rattle the lamps apart)
*IE NO 100-200Khz High Frequency Ballasts as you will void your lamps warranty
Please Read our Ballast Fact Page for allot more detailed why you only want the proper ballasts
http://www.advancedtechlighting.com/edbfp.htm



http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmmw.htm
Important Warranty Note:
The CDM MW 210 & 315 Watt Lamps where specifically designed for 105hz-115hz LFSW Ballasts (IE Philips shown below)
In English these are only meant for electronic ANSI RATED 105hz-115hz utilizing a low frequency square wave (LFSW)
and NOT for* High Frequency Ballasts (these Literally Rattle the lamps apart)
IE NO 100-200Khz High Frequency Ballasts as you will void your lamps warranty
Please Read our Ballast Fact Page for allot more detailed why you only want the proper ballasts
http://www.advancedtechlighting.com/edbfp.htm

DNA CLAIMS High Frequency design means low harmonic distortion
But truly it rattles the lamps apart.
300 http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...df+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
900 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rBM79CDTO_QJ:ww
 
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