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Good idea, that's the new plan
Ooh, I'm envious. I wasn't able to get any of those myself.
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FireIn.TheSky
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It was a completely accidental score, one day there was an unadvertised relist of all old server fund donations, I just happened to check the bay and saw those. I got some cobcoop Bufflalo Bill seeds too which is another strain i slept on back in the day, unfortunately none of those seed germinated. I was quite impressed with these CJ's they were made at about the same time as those but these literally jumped out of the shell.
I cant make any promises but maybe you will see some of these pop up again some time. I know these may be some of the last casey jones male/ female seeds around. Devils harvest offers fems of the trucannablis cut.
Likely f3s... Look for the lemon leaning, those were my favorite, dense, compact, frosty, a bit floppy, lemon/sour funk.... There were some more sativa leaning fruity tropical girls in the f3s, but the lemon was my favorite from that line, and male was pretty beastly, added nice to structure/yield... Would be very cool to start crossing different casey lines for preservation... Old pink f2s, csg/true, devil harvest (think schmoe cut??), yes, all good stuff and worthy of backing up.
Mugs, why not just dust a little branch with each? Grab a lower, label with tape, and toss a little dust between thumb and forefinger and do the old bud/pollen roll... Very limited contamination between pollen sources if done carefully and on different locations on same plant, but easy way to do multiple pollen chucks to the same plant in the same space... Single lower nugs end up yielding 10-50 seeds/ea depending on size, usually enough to do some future searching, make multiple crosses per plant, and still have some sensi from the good stuff up top...
All sounds killer though, glad to hear you're having fun
All the best casey lovers!
Lou
im casey jones lover myself. im glad the line is alive. for sure the best work with it i saw is your cj F3 LouDog!! big respect! those seeds companies made s1 or maximally f2 of one cut..
i loved phenos that tasted like sour thai food. i got one lemony pheno in my f2 and it was uberpotent.. wish i can pop some of my F2 but unfortunately none of them would pop.. too old.
nevertheless few days back i got CJ peri cut..
im so happy, its the longest flowering cj i have had ever meet. she needs more than ecsd. her taste is definitely chocolate, and efect is thai hybrid efect i grew it at 2011 last time.heres the link to album from originator of this cut.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=28279
LouDog420
Well-known member
Pretty shots and good vibes all... Yes, thai/choc phenos to be found, weren't always my favorite, but some giant yielders in that bunch...
Peri cut, seen her around, where's sunka at? He used to run that peri to perfection, I've never had the pleasure...
Lemon and sour leaners were always my favorite... Sour is more like a funk, but close in terms of structure and high and seem to be a mismash of the TW and sourD lineage...
So much good stuff in the casey line...
Here's a few cjsb little ones in the meantime, just kicking... A few stragglers but they should catch up assuming they aren't leaning too hard towards the sour bubble...
Good vibes all!
Peri cut, seen her around, where's sunka at? He used to run that peri to perfection, I've never had the pleasure...
Lemon and sour leaners were always my favorite... Sour is more like a funk, but close in terms of structure and high and seem to be a mismash of the TW and sourD lineage...
So much good stuff in the casey line...
Here's a few cjsb little ones in the meantime, just kicking... A few stragglers but they should catch up assuming they aren't leaning too hard towards the sour bubble...
Good vibes all!
heyyy LouDog bro. i was like you about choc phenos till i took peri cut more than 90 days of flowering. but i understand such flowering time is impractical.
you said it very nice, sours are combination of fried chicken/sour milk from sour deez and that skunky dank from trainwreck i love it. it resembles me some asian food but its just my impression, definitely very exotic FUNK!
good luck with those lovely seedlings
you said it very nice, sours are combination of fried chicken/sour milk from sour deez and that skunky dank from trainwreck
i love it. it resembles me some asian food but its just my impression, definitely very exotic FUNK!good luck with those lovely seedlings
FireIn.TheSky
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My first 2 Casey jones F3 females were pure crap. I grew them both twice thinking something went wrong the first time, same result. I have a 3rd one in veg but it looks like the other 2 I think Im going to trash it.
Anyone else have bad luck with the CJ F3s? My Devils harvest CJ grown at the same time was pretty good.
Anyone else have bad luck with the CJ F3s? My Devils harvest CJ grown at the same time was pretty good.
It's always a best practice to go through the entire pack of seeds all at once as it's very difficult to drop just a couple of beans and find keepers in anything.
I think I had 5 females and 4 of those were good, not great. That fifth plant was/is fantastic though. Best of luck!
LouDog420
Well-known member
Sorry to hear no luck with the f3s... Would be interested to know what the issue(s) were? Packaging description for verification?
Feel free to post for all, or pm and we'll get it taken care of... Granted they were donated years ago, but never like to hear of someone displeased and wasting valuable grow space.
Good vibes,
Lou
Feel free to post for all, or pm and we'll get it taken care of... Granted they were donated years ago, but never like to hear of someone displeased and wasting valuable grow space.
Good vibes,
Lou
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mugenbao
CJxSB black pheno
CJxSB black pheno
I didn't grab any photos of the whole plant or the colas, but wanted to share this pic of a couple of the lower buds on one of my recent CJxSB phenos. Sorry for the poor picture quality, I took it with my phone. I don't have a camera, and it took me two hours to convince my computer to browse the files on my phone so I could upload this pic, so I lost patience and didn't take any more pictures
This plant has the most indescribably beautiful scent, a mix of what I've long associated with Casey Jones with some added complexities that I cannot put a name to.
Every part of the plant that was exposed to strong lighting turned almost black by the end, despite the fact that temps never went below 70F at any point. Buds and leaves that were shaded tended to retain some of their green color, but all of the colas and leaves at the top were almost solid black.
I pollinated a few buds with some Haze pollen, and have two of those seeds sprouted already just to see what I get. I'm also currently trying to reveg this plant, so I left all of the lower growth in place and have it back under veg light cycle.
This pic doesn't really convey what the plant looked like, but it was gorgeous. I usually don't trim up the bottoms that well, just in case I want to reveg, so these are just some of the stuff that was on the bottom of the plant.
Edited to add - Now that I think of it, I really hope one of those seedlings is a male, so that I can toss that pollen on the revegged plant. Shoot, now I might hafta go pop some more
CJxSB black pheno
I didn't grab any photos of the whole plant or the colas, but wanted to share this pic of a couple of the lower buds on one of my recent CJxSB phenos. Sorry for the poor picture quality, I took it with my phone. I don't have a camera, and it took me two hours to convince my computer to browse the files on my phone so I could upload this pic, so I lost patience and didn't take any more pictures
This plant has the most indescribably beautiful scent, a mix of what I've long associated with Casey Jones with some added complexities that I cannot put a name to.
Every part of the plant that was exposed to strong lighting turned almost black by the end, despite the fact that temps never went below 70F at any point. Buds and leaves that were shaded tended to retain some of their green color, but all of the colas and leaves at the top were almost solid black.
I pollinated a few buds with some Haze pollen, and have two of those seeds sprouted already just to see what I get. I'm also currently trying to reveg this plant, so I left all of the lower growth in place and have it back under veg light cycle.
This pic doesn't really convey what the plant looked like, but it was gorgeous. I usually don't trim up the bottoms that well, just in case I want to reveg, so these are just some of the stuff that was on the bottom of the plant.
Edited to add - Now that I think of it, I really hope one of those seedlings is a male, so that I can toss that pollen on the revegged plant. Shoot, now I might hafta go pop some more
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FireIn.TheSky
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No worries Lou, a few of these were junk but that's only 4 of 12. I'm sure there is gold in the pack but I will be smart and try them one at a time instead of doing groups of seed.
I know casey is one of those strains that has issues, thru research you find 2 opinions, one its the worst ever and 2 it's the best ever.
I can post a picture of the packaging if you'd like, I am fairly convinced these are indeed cj, i grew some devils harvest cj s1 at the same time. The dh was better but I still say similarities in smell and looks.
What I found with th f3 is the few phenos had no resin, they were dry to the touch. In veg they were very difficult to keep happy.
FireIn.TheSky
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Yes in a perfect world this is the best practice. However with strains you cannot guarantee large groups leave a lot of room for a dissipointing harvest, especially since I will grow everything twice to be sure.
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'Casey Jones grow along'......one of my favorite threads! A couple of years ago I was lucky enough to snag a few f2 CJs from a friend 'Cool Moe' and grew out a few, my first try with this strain. Moe's f2s were made from a pack he received from Head a couple years years earlier. I had 2-3 plants from my f2 grow that turned out particularly nice and they all made a few S1s. Several weeks ago I decided to pop some of these S1s from one of the girls that Moe and I both thought turned out well. Ended up with 3 girls that I felt might outgrow my height, so i did a LST and they all 3 seem to love it. I can see a little variation in the 3, but just slightly different. I'm only running a 400w hps in a small flower room using recycle soil in 3 gallon pots so I don't grow huge plants, but they still seem pretty happy despite the limitations.
Just wanted to put a few pics, seems like the right place
CJ girls at about 38 days
Plan to let these go to around 70 days, ought to be frost monsters, given what they're showing now.
Just wanted to put a few pics, seems like the right place
CJ girls at about 38 days
Plan to let these go to around 70 days, ought to be frost monsters, given what they're showing now.
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St. Phatty
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Now I understand why CJ is popular !
All I'd seen before is a clone at a dispensary in NorCal.
All I'd seen before is a clone at a dispensary in NorCal.
LouDog420
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FITS - Thanks for the info my friend. No resin really surprises me, and lack of vigor in veg as well... As those traits never popped up, nor have I seen them in the lines. I hope you find something that tickles your fancy in the rest, but if not, send me a pm and we'll get it taken care of. I do think it's important for those that don't know me to know a little about my breeding strategy.
For the past 7-8 years my breeding focus has always been geared to large scale, large population future selections. Most of my crosses are one off, outcrosses or f2s, always with the intention of later further refining. So I fully acknowledge you won't be getting a winner out of every plant in the pack and instead should be treated like a pheno hunt. I select winning females (unless it's a really bad ass line, I'll take a all females without clearly detrimental traits and open pollinate) and hit them to as many males from a line I can get a hold of (again discard runts and clearly subpar specimens). This creates the scenario where some males may not be the best and therefore some progency as well, but it also allows for large scale populations to find whatever is hidden in those genes again. If not, I take them to f2 and search there (wider range of phenos). So what homebrewer said definitely applies here, probably more than other chuckers just due to my methodology, and this was certainly the case with the casey line (originaly f2 was open pollination, 9 females, 4 males). Very specific reasons I've done it this way, which you all may see shortly, but in the meantime for anyone growing out those beans, vital information to know.
That's the reason packs were $20, and cjsb packs came with 15+, sometimes 20+ in each. But regardless, you shouldn't be seeing plants with no resin! That's no good and will have to get to the bottom of it, so I really appreciate the head's up and info.
Asking for packaging verification was more to check and see if SB didn't do a little switcharoo or mislabeling, certainly not intended as any implication towards you. But similar smells between the f3s and dh s1s tell me that is not likely.
Sending some good vibes your way, and don't hesitate to hit me up if less than satisfied or if you choose to run them in the future...
All the best,
Lou
For the past 7-8 years my breeding focus has always been geared to large scale, large population future selections. Most of my crosses are one off, outcrosses or f2s, always with the intention of later further refining. So I fully acknowledge you won't be getting a winner out of every plant in the pack and instead should be treated like a pheno hunt. I select winning females (unless it's a really bad ass line, I'll take a all females without clearly detrimental traits and open pollinate) and hit them to as many males from a line I can get a hold of (again discard runts and clearly subpar specimens). This creates the scenario where some males may not be the best and therefore some progency as well, but it also allows for large scale populations to find whatever is hidden in those genes again. If not, I take them to f2 and search there (wider range of phenos). So what homebrewer said definitely applies here, probably more than other chuckers just due to my methodology, and this was certainly the case with the casey line (originaly f2 was open pollination, 9 females, 4 males). Very specific reasons I've done it this way, which you all may see shortly, but in the meantime for anyone growing out those beans, vital information to know.
That's the reason packs were $20, and cjsb packs came with 15+, sometimes 20+ in each. But regardless, you shouldn't be seeing plants with no resin! That's no good and will have to get to the bottom of it, so I really appreciate the head's up and info.
Asking for packaging verification was more to check and see if SB didn't do a little switcharoo or mislabeling, certainly not intended as any implication towards you. But similar smells between the f3s and dh s1s tell me that is not likely.
Sending some good vibes your way, and don't hesitate to hit me up if less than satisfied or if you choose to run them in the future...
All the best,
Lou
LouDog420
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Fuckin' Mugs... My brother from another...
That's her my friend... I'm sure you remember the black casey... Even with the late season heat nanner there at the end. Smells to die for, just so, so frosty, and those colors. You really found a gem there. I bet the cjsb x haze seeds came out tiny, dark brown, huh? Seed color/size/shape always maternal, and that's what my black casey liked to do, so would be interested to hear if that's the case as well. Everything else is spot on description of her
Ya need male spunk, just holler, just ran a batch of cjsb some 4 males sitting around atm...
Hope the reveg takes cause that black casey is still today one of the best plants I've found... A few others these days are up there, and maybe its just nostalgia, but my was she special...
Good vibes on the reveg and please keep me in the loop!
That's her my friend... I'm sure you remember the black casey... Even with the late season heat nanner there at the end. Smells to die for, just so, so frosty, and those colors. You really found a gem there. I bet the cjsb x haze seeds came out tiny, dark brown, huh? Seed color/size/shape always maternal, and that's what my black casey liked to do, so would be interested to hear if that's the case as well. Everything else is spot on description of her
Ya need male spunk, just holler, just ran a batch of cjsb some 4 males sitting around atm...
Hope the reveg takes cause that black casey is still today one of the best plants I've found... A few others these days are up there, and maybe its just nostalgia, but my was she special...
Good vibes on the reveg and please keep me in the loop!
LouDog420
Well-known member
KS - Lovely plants! Send some good vibes over to cool moe for me. 400w is plenty to grow some of that AAA quality. They look like they are loving life and you have the green touch!
Big old smile, just love that the grow along is still kicking. Major props to h3ad and the mrs. for all their work. Maybe one day that will grace us again with their presence, but until then, only the best vibes for the casey creator!
Yes, lovely line, and so much to find in just one polyhybrid.
Good vibes all and enjoy the holiday season!
Big old smile
, just love that the grow along is still kicking. Major props to h3ad and the mrs. for all their work. Maybe one day that will grace us again with their presence, but until then, only the best vibes for the casey creator!Yes, lovely line, and so much to find in just one polyhybrid.
Good vibes all and enjoy the holiday season!
FireIn.TheSky
Active member
LD420, shit happens. I knew full well casey J had its issues before I bought them. Like I said, some say its the best, others say its the worst. This is all in the genetics as it is an unstable polyhybrid, made of 3 parents that are known to have their own issues. You have the sour diesel that is somewhat unpredictable and unstable when bred, the trainwreck which is known for hermi issues in its offspring, and the oriental express which was made up of landrace genetics.
When those 3 parental lines combine correctly there is the potential for epic greatness, when their not so great genetics combine there is the possibility for crap. Now the more you inbreed a line like this the more you are compounding the possibility for the worst to amplify, especially when open pollinating with untested males.
I did the devils harvest CJ s1 at the same time, this plant grew without issue, it grew very tall with great vigor, it had a hybrid look to it with very nice resin and a potent high. The DH CJ grew just as you would expect.
The LD CJ's suffered from constant MG issues, they actually were all veg'd for months as I kept growing, cloning, growing and cloning until I could get healthy specimens to put into flower. The ones that made it to flower were somewhat shorter and stumpy they kind of looked like keifs pics above, they grew fat, chunky buds, but no resin to speak of, I took those and flowered more of the same plants out a second time, same thing almost exactly.
I actually just went thru my seed collection, I repacked these seeds with a hand written label with some basic genotype information so I cant show the package they came in. They were is a plain little plastic bag, a thin stick on printed label that said "casey jones f3" no mention of loudog seeds.
SF Loudog420 Casey Jones F3 Closed (Item #: 129861)
No harm no foul, I'll try some again some time, I've seen some of your past CJ's you had some beautiful plants, especially that purple one.
When those 3 parental lines combine correctly there is the potential for epic greatness, when their not so great genetics combine there is the possibility for crap. Now the more you inbreed a line like this the more you are compounding the possibility for the worst to amplify, especially when open pollinating with untested males.
I did the devils harvest CJ s1 at the same time, this plant grew without issue, it grew very tall with great vigor, it had a hybrid look to it with very nice resin and a potent high. The DH CJ grew just as you would expect.
The LD CJ's suffered from constant MG issues, they actually were all veg'd for months as I kept growing, cloning, growing and cloning until I could get healthy specimens to put into flower. The ones that made it to flower were somewhat shorter and stumpy they kind of looked like keifs pics above, they grew fat, chunky buds, but no resin to speak of, I took those and flowered more of the same plants out a second time, same thing almost exactly.
I actually just went thru my seed collection, I repacked these seeds with a hand written label with some basic genotype information so I cant show the package they came in. They were is a plain little plastic bag, a thin stick on printed label that said "casey jones f3" no mention of loudog seeds.
SF Loudog420 Casey Jones F3 Closed (Item #: 129861)
No harm no foul, I'll try some again some time, I've seen some of your past CJ's you had some beautiful plants, especially that purple one.
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mugenbao
Dude.....I bet the cjsb x haze seeds came out tiny, dark brown, huh? Seed color/size/shape always maternal, and that's what my black casey liked to do, so would be interested to hear if that's the case as well. Everything else is spot on description of her
Check out the seeds on the left (labelled #3).
I know, shitty picture again. Sorry about that. My real camera broke, and I have a cheap-ass cell phone and poor lighting.
It may not be real easy to see, but yeah... They are small and dark. Compare to the seeds on the right (labelled #1), which came from her sister, which are much larger. I actually thought that was strange, since all of the others had larger seeds that were more the typical mottled pattern, but I'm even more excited now!
That #1, by the way, was also phenomenal. It was pretty similar in most ways, but didn't color up nearly as much and had larger calyxes, and it had that lovely Casey scent with a very strong citrus smell added.
Edited to add - Here's a link to LouDog's Black Casey that I think he was referring to. I gotta say it looked a lot like the one in that post by the time it was ready for the chop. It started developing a bit of color about midway through, but the real colors didn't start coming in until I think the last two or three weeks, and by the finish everything was super dark.
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