Cannabis is getting taxed. Deal with it.

[ureapwhatusow]

If your talking about marijuana then no it's not. Any doctor who tries to prescribe marijuana will be arrested, and lose their license by an from the federal government. It's only allowed to be recommended by a doctor.

so doctors circumvent prescribing still need to give recommendations for people to get medical marijuana

prescription status is in flux cause of liability with the feds

if the doctors didn't stand to lose a license do you think its over the counter?

Do you deny it has medicinal purpose?

should people who need it for medical purposes such as cancer patients pay tax on this medicine opposed to the others they take?

 

[ureapwhatusow]

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You should read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. http://www.amazon.com/Art-War-Sun-Tzu/dp/0385292163

If you just want the Cliff notes version listen to "The Gambler" by Kenny Rogers.

The correct answer to your question is simply that we don't have the resources needed, don't have the hope of gaining the resources needed, and have a quite a hump getting over just getting enough people to agree to leave us alone.


see i disagree, if california expects to take in a windfall of tax revenue that translates to many votes, many dollars

problem is take doing something illegal that has the propensity to get you paranoid (i.e. smoking and growing) and suggest confronting "big brother" and most peoples balls run up into their chest

let me say in brief synopsis that the thread i created say no to sales tax was a thread that stated we should question the appropriation and use of the tax not decline it all together

my point was

california the state in the midst of this debate has budget shortfalls

but they are in areas that have nothing to do with pot

now if you have an budget deficit in transit, and tax pot what the fuck do you do when pot, which does to have relative correlation with transit use doesn't meet those costs? like after its legal everywhere and the peak profit potential is lowered?

if you have a budget deficit in transit raise the prices that correlate to transit use

its not about not paying a fair share

its about defining the fairness in the first place

but let me ask you this

any other tax, school tax income tax or anything else were people weren't thinking they were getting something they didn't already deserve and everyone would be fucking livid but here offer pot heads a little mental comfort and they will cough up a buck in a heart beat



I'd really like to know why you think you have even the proverbial snowball's chance of instituting such a extreme plan and where you think the resources to implement such a plan will come from. I'd also like to know why you think you can get the general voting public to agree with you when you can't even get a consensus among those interested.

i put out the concept that government should be responsible, i didnt create it. when they raise my school tax i get a vote, when they propose new taxes many people become vocal and create lobbies

people want rights, such as the gay and lesbian movement they polarize and use collective strength to change it

now i man not represent the majority but i don't let general consensus sway what my convictions of right and wrong .. glad to see you are of such integrity that you do

Revolutionaries do not make the revolution. Revolutions make the revolutionary. Think about it, you can set up your soap box on the corner and preach your sermon all day long, if everyone just smiles and nods politely while thinking you a nut your revolution is going nowhere. If the message is salient and resonates, the crowd gathers and unifies it really doesn't matter who's on the soap box delivering the message.


this has nothing to do with weed or sales tax but the application of tax without first providing use and accounting mechanism to make sure it gets appropriated responsibly

its our right as Americans i think after the last decade of economic calamity and questionable government ethics its irresponsible to do anything but expect complete reasoning application and accounting of what the government taxes from us



Politics is the art of compromise. You have to give up something to get something, and even moreso when you only have a single digit % of core voter support, which is very much the case here.

first you talk war then you talk compromise, you quote philosophies of war from a dead warlord from 500 bc but yet one answer any relative economic or political facet of this topic

please discuss what i have said below with relative reasoning and ill flush my stash and call you weed jesus on youtube and broadcast it across america

talk about the health of an American economy that realizes on unrelated variable income sources to resolve budget deficits and the appropriation of unrelated taxes to make up for inefficient government

by the way you may wanna read this first

http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2009/05/21/mean-street-the-sorry-state-of-our-sorriest-state-california/

 

[Owl Mirror]

Your a fucking moron ^^^^^^ no where in any of the texts does it say personal consumption growers will be taxed. id rather be fat and happy and money to spend. then be broke, skinny and in jail striving to keep my sanity....

Wow you're maturity level is truly showing through

Your a fucking moron ^^^^^^

Since I prefer to talk with adults, this conversation is over

 

[Owl Mirror]

people that dont pay taxes arent pulling their weight in this country! think about it, all the freedoms you take advantage of arent free. give a little and you can take ALOT. why would anyone care where there money is going, you know if legalization happens the price will drop alot and you will still be paying less than you are now!
profits? theres PLENTY to be had.
farmers have grown plants for a long time and been taxed on it just like everyone else.
a world of no taxes is a fantasy world, its a ridiculous dream.

get over it, pay your taxes, and stop being greedy!

you know if legalization happens the price will drop allot

Can I get a written guarantee for that promise ?

 

[Pythagllio]

cause the hidden tax you know the one where you have to pay lawyers (that grease judges), bailbondsman, probation bullshit etc. is a lot more costly dont you think!?

...I don't think that. I know it for a fact from personal experience unfortunately.

By the way the 5x5 for personal use wouldn't have any fees attached. I guess I do think he could have thought it through a little better, and gone for 32 sq ft to match a 4x8 table.

 

[Pythagllio]

should people who need it for medical purposes such as cancer patients pay tax on this medicine opposed to the others they take?

So what's your point? What makes you think Prop 215 is going away if the Lee prop passes? Prop 215 will still be in full force.

 

[Pythagllio]

ureapwhatusow, I'm not going to bother because it's a lost cause. Your deflections of my questions tell me you're not ready for a reasonable logical debate. Perhaps if you addressed some of my questions directly instead of just reiterating your extremist dogma.

Reality is you don't have the support to push your agenda through. I mean it's not even close, it's more like you're sending the local high school football team to play a game against the Denver Broncos. Again, you can't even convince enough sympathetic voters that you're agenda is workable, so I just have no clue how you'd convince the brainwashed voters to support you. You're outnumbered 9-1 at best, at least 1/2 of you're support doesn't give a shit, ad you're opponent has access to billions in funding if needed. Yet your solution is to demand? It has nothing to do with balls. A person is not a pussy if he decides not to walk into certain death.

Sorry that you think that Sun Tzu is irrelevant. He isn't, his book is wisdom for the ages, and if you read it you might understand it is about much more than war. The true test of a warrior comes from within, not from without.

 

[opt1c]

LOL. You don't get taxed if you aren't selling. Why would you only be able to grow shwag at home?

People make their own wine and beer at home. They dont pay extra taxes, do they?

how bout a little history lesson; called the marihuana stamp tax act... you think the growers back then could say it was personal and the govt would leave em alone? they'd bust you for possession and say you didn't pay taxes... what if you grew your own, they don't know that

should of said it in your original post if you didn't want to confuse all the anti-tax folks

you can't distill spirits in your backyard; illegal
spirits can be bought at the store and they are taxed

sounds like you want marijuana to be the same way from what you're saying

your original post was misleading

 

[ChronJohn]

I'm fine with recreational cannabis, bought at 7-11 or wherever, being taxed with normal sales tax. Maybe it's own class of a percentage based tax. But I do not at all agree with a PROHIBITIVE excise tax, such as the ones being proposed... whether it's $50 in California or the insulting $250 in Massachusetts. With mass production going on, prices will be driven down and suddenly a $50 tax might well be more than the cost of the oz itself. And does that mean I have to pay $800 in taxes a lb (if the tax is $50 an oz)??? What, no bulk discount? What legal commodity do you know of that you would pay $800 a pound in taxes? What I can support is the standard sales tax (5% in my state), and MAYBE a special tax (such as the "meals tax" or "candy tax".. another 1-2%) on top of that. That way if prices drop to $50 an oz, you're only paying $5-$10 in taxes. Is that too much to ask for? If taxes are prohibitive, the black market will still flourish. Much like right now people in New York are driving to other states, buying up cigarettes, and selling them back home and making bank because in New York a pack of ciggs is like $10 and in neighboring states they're $5 or less. So am I against taxation? No, I'm against prohibitive and "sin" taxes, as if cannabis was dangerous substance like alcohol and tobacco. As far as medicinal cannabis.. well it should be taxed like any other prescription medicine, however that is where you live. No taxes on prescription medicine? No taxes on prescribed cannabis, whether it's Sativex or standardized whole plant material. The future is now people, and we have to all agree that cannabis will be taxed. But how much we're willing to cede to the gov't is what we should be discussing. This is a very complex discussion but I, and the rest of the cannabis community, welcome any ideas. I've put forth my .02

 

[Owl Mirror]

The problem I see with this movement emanating from California is this proposed TAX is based upon the legal sales to Medical patients ONLY.
Why are the recreational users pushing for patients to pay an added tax on their chosen medicine ? Currently recreational use marijuana isn't legal to be bought and sold so this entire conversation is based upon the legal sales of MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

 

[nephilthim]

All of you anti taxation radicals starting threads in this forum. You are under serious illusions to think cannabis won't be taxed like alcohol or cigarettes.

Honestly, you guys are a bunch of a weirdos. You're like embarrassing (and unfortunately loud) family members that we will never be able to get rid of.

You freakos are IMO, one of the reasons why this drug is still illegal. Because when weirdos have an opinion about something, it's the natural reaction of normal people to either ignore what they are saying or to become an opponent there of.

projection of your own inadequacies isn't the path to a cohesive argument,something that besides attacking others and making your own position seriously diminshed in the process.

 

[mrgreengenes1]

I have no problem with taxing PURCHASED RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.
I do have a problem when people like the above OP want the government to enter in to my grow closet, count my plants and tax me for growing my own.
Stay out of my personal consumption and you folks who want to pay tax can be fat & happy spending your money foolishly.

Nobody is talking about counting the plants in you closet and taxing them. What planet are you people on? The conversation is about taxing MJ in commerce.

 

[mrgreengenes1]

You can't distill spirits but you can make all the beer and wine you and your friends can drink and nothing is taxed. So, what is your point?

 

[ureapwhatusow]

ureapwhatusow, I'm not going to bother

cause it's a lost cause. Your deflections of my questions tell me you're not ready for a reasonable logical debate. Perhaps if you addressed some of my questions directly instead of just reiterating your extremist dogma.

Reality is you don't have the support to push your agenda through. I mean it's not even close, it's more like you're sending the local high school football team to play a game against the Denver Broncos. Again, you can't even convince enough sympathetic voters that you're agenda is workable, so I just have no clue how you'd convince the brainwashed voters to support you. You're outnumbered 9-1 at best, at least 1/2 of you're support doesn't give a shit, ad you're opponent has access to billions in funding if needed. Yet your solution is to demand? It has nothing to do with balls. A person is not a pussy if he decides not to walk into certain death.

Sorry that you think that Sun Tzu is irrelevant. He isn't, his book is wisdom for the ages, and if you read it you might understand it is about much more than war. The true test of a warrior comes from within, not from without.

WEAK

I answered line by line every one of your posts

you couldnt directly answer the question i posted because there is no logical retort

your flowery analogies and off handed disparities will not change the fact that 3 times i asked you to answer a direct and simple question

instead defend your use of millennium old war philosophies in lieu of real political economic theory

the true test of a troll is someone who continues to spew shit and skirt direct topics

take a micro macro and political science course and come back with an intelligible retort

the warrior should remember pen is mightier than the sword

 

[ureapwhatusow]

http://books.google.com/books?id=nN...resnum=3&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=&f=false

educate yourself before you contradict economic advice from economist themselves

 

[SeniorBuzz]

The problem I see with this movement emanating from California is this proposed TAX is based upon the legal sales to Medical patients ONLY.
Why are the recreational users pushing for patients to pay an added tax on their chosen medicine ? Currently recreational use marijuana isn't legal to be bought and sold so this entire conversation is based upon the legal sales of MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

we're doing a mental exercise on what the model, above-board, grow dispensary might look like, and at least I, am looking forward to contributing to the community we are living, doing business, in.

 

[Bulldog11]

Whoever started this thread is an idiot. So many things wrong with his first post it is unbelievable. Happy Farming everybody.

 

[WoW maannnn]

tax the sick, fuck 'em, they are dy'n any way right?
might as well get the last fake penny out of em, right?
sales tax?

maybe, its "reasonable" even though it is WRONG...

 

[Pythagllio]

ureapwhatusow, hogwash. It's simply amazing how some people just can't follow a conversation, but seem to think that they've done so. And of course in weak minded fashion calls the person who attempted to engage him in a productive dialogue a 'troll'.

Good luck with your fantasies!

 

[ureapwhatusow]

ureapwhatusow, hogwash. It's simply amazing how some people just can't follow a conversation, but seem to think that they've done so. And of course in weak minded fashion calls the person who attempted to engage him in a productive dialogue a 'troll'.

Good luck with your fantasies!

i answered your post line by line and yet you say i didnt you are a fucking asshat tride and true


BTW your text is in bold my answers in non bold in case its too tough for you to get

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2804808&postcount=58