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Cannabis HIV?

troutman

Seed Whore
Hey,

I swear every grow I see something new. New lights, soils and nutrients sure have a learning curve.
Debating getting rid of LED's and going back to MH and T-5 fluorescents since those lights were
more grower friendly. Every Cannabis strain or Landrace seem to behave differently with LED's.

Anyways, anyone know for sure what kind of Cannabis HIV this plant has?

My guess is a crazy Calcium deficiency.

Cannabis HIV

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CannaT

starin' at the world through my rearview
In flowering first half of flower plant use way more Cal than Mag ,while second half of flower they use way more Mag than Cal its so simple....people be using calmag to much and make their plants toxic...it not good advice to use them at the same time at all...
 

mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
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I do have Calcium nitrate beads, but I doubt I'll cure the problem in time.
I'm almost ready to stop growing. I almost need an ambulance as is.
I think you will keep some damage, but calcium nitrate is fast solulable for plants or spray it on the leaves for fast recovery, only I dont know what dosage you should use. I have no experience with this.
 

Creeperpark

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Hey,

I swear every grow I see something new. New lights, soils and nutrients sure have a learning curve.
Debating getting rid of LED's and going back to MH and T-5 fluorescents since those lights were
more grower friendly. Every Cannabis strain or Landrace seem to behave differently with LED's.

Anyways, anyone know for sure what kind of Cannabis HIV this plant has?

My guess is a crazy Calcium deficiency.

Cannabis HIV

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The type of water you use plays the most important role with it comes to calcium and magnesium. Some tap waters are plant killers and will poison growers' plants without them knowing why. I've seen this before and the cause was from using tap water.

The reason is that the hydroxyl content rises over time with repeated watering. The impurities in the tap water build up and block hydrogen which is the main transporter of nutrients. No hydrogen no nutrients. In other words, the pH rises above 7 and the hydrogen is cut off. Plants have to have hydrogen to live.
 

Creeperpark

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I do have Calcium nitrate beads, but I doubt I'll cure the problem in time.
I'm almost ready to stop growing. I almost need an ambulance as is.
When the pH has drifted in the high range above 7 no calcium nitrate or carbonate with help.
 

troutman

Seed Whore
Just smashed my thermometer/ hydrometer. If they live they live. I give up using gadgets.
Think my days of growing indoors is gonna end. Landraces are too stressful when Your
health is failing.
 

Cvh

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Why don't you try switching back to HPS/MH?

If you can get a grow without issues that way then maybe consider what I said in one of your previous threads about your issues that it might be because of low temperature and pots that remain to wet for a long time. Or that you maybe indeed need more calmag or something.

Cheers and best of luck.
 

MrKushman247

Well-known member
Sorry to hear about your health troubles , hopefully you feel better soon. Growing plants can definitely bring unwanted stress to your life when it's not going right.
 

eastcoastjoe

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The type of water you use plays the most important role with it comes to calcium and magnesium. Some tap waters are plant killers and will poison growers' plants without them knowing why. I've seen this before and the cause was from using tap water.

The reason is that the hydroxyl content rises over time with repeated watering. The impurities in the tap water build up and block hydrogen which is the main transporter of nutrients. No hydrogen no nutrients. In other words, the pH rises above 7 and the hydrogen is cut off. Plants have to have hydrogen to live.

I doubt that’s what is happening here. Seems like too many photons, not enough nutrition to support it
 

Orange's Greenhouse

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Calcium deficiency affects new growth. It is immobile and won't be translocated to the new, most important growth.
Your picks imply that lower/middle growth is affected? That would be something else than calcium.

Follow creeperparks (somewhat complicated and wrong) advice and check the pH of your medium. If that is ok you can follow this guide to diagnose the problem:
 

Creeperpark

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Just smashed my thermometer/ hydrometer. If they live they live. I give up using gadgets.
Think my days of growing indoors is gonna end. Landraces are too stressful when Your
health is failing.
Are you using tap water troutman?
 

Creeperpark

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Calcium deficiency affects new growth. It is immobile and won't be translocated to the new, most important growth.
Your picks imply that lower/middle growth is affected? That would be something else than calcium.

Follow creeperparks (somewhat complicated and wrong) advice and check the pH of your medium. If that is ok you can follow this guide to diagnose the problem:
Thank you for your post friend, I'm not saying it's a Calcium deficiency. I'm saying the excess calcium and impurities in the tap water have accumulated in the substrate and are locking out other nutrients. Please go back and reread my post.
 
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Creeperpark

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The type of water you use plays the most important role with it comes to calcium and magnesium. Some tap waters are plant killers and will poison growers' plants without them knowing why. I've seen this before and the cause was from using tap water.

The reason is that the hydroxyl content rises over time with repeated watering. The impurities in the tap water build up and block hydrogen which is the main transporter of nutrients. No hydrogen no nutrients. In other words, the pH rises above 7 and the hydrogen is cut off. Plants have to have hydrogen to live.
Nutrients become locked out when the pH gets too high. The role that acid pH plays with the hydrogen is to release the chemicals needed for plant absorption. Without the acid, the nutrients are less available.

In plants, the role of acid, which contributes to a low pH level, is to significantly impact the availability of essential nutrients in the soil by influencing their solubility; while some nutrients become more readily available in acidic conditions, others can become less accessible, and high acidity can also lead to toxic levels of certain elements like aluminum and manganese, potentially hindering plant growth.

Nutrient availability:
Different nutrients have varying solubility depending on soil pH; some nutrients, like phosphorus and molybdenum, are more available in slightly acidic conditions, while others become less accessible in highly acidic soils. Google
 

Orange's Greenhouse

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Thank you for your post friend, I'm not saying it's a Calcium deficiency. I'm saying the excess calcium and impurities in the tap water have accumulated in the substrate and are locking out other nutrients. Please go back and reread my post.
I'm having trouble reading your post as the details are wrong. Hydroxyl is highly reactive and mobile. It does not accumulate.
Based on the limited evidence provided it is not calcium deficiency.

Hard tap water can raise the pH leading to all sorts of problems.
 

Creeperpark

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I'm having trouble reading your post as the details are wrong. Hydroxyl is highly reactive and mobile. It does not accumulate.
Based on the limited evidence provided it is not calcium deficiency.

Hard tap water can raise the pH leading to all sorts of problems.

I'm sorry friend I'm probably not explaining it correctly or where you can understand. I will try to underline in bold font with AI explanation from "Google" so you will know what I'm talking about. It's just basic pH chemistry and very important. Sorry for the mix-up.

Explanation: In chemistry, "alkaline" refers to a solution with a pH greater than 7, which is also called a "basic" solution.
Key points about alkaline/basic:
pH scale: A pH above 7 is considered alkaline, while a pH below 7 is acidic.
Hydroxide ions: Alkaline solutions contain a higher concentration of hydroxide ions (OH-).
Synonyms: "Alkali" is often used interchangeably with "base" when discussing alkaline solutions.

Are hydroxide ions considered hydroxyl ions?

Yes, "hydroxide ions" and "hydroxyl ions" are considered the same thing, both referring to the negatively charged ion with the chemical formula OH-.
Key points:
Chemical formula: Both terms refer to the same ion, OH-.

Neutral form: When not charged, the "OH" group is called a "hydroxyl group".

Usage: While technically "hydroxyl" refers to the neutral group, in common practice, "hydroxide ion" and "hydroxyl ion" are often used interchangeably.
 

Orange's Greenhouse

Active member
I'm sorry friend I'm probably not explaining it correctly or where you can understand. I will try to underline in bold font with AI explanation from "Google" so you will know what I'm talking about. It's just basic pH chemistry and very important. Sorry for the mix-up.

Explanation: In chemistry, "alkaline" refers to a solution with a pH greater than 7, which is also called a "basic" solution.
Key points about alkaline/basic:
pH scale: A pH above 7 is considered alkaline, while a pH below 7 is acidic.
Hydroxide ions: Alkaline solutions contain a higher concentration of hydroxide ions (OH-).
Synonyms: "Alkali" is often used interchangeably with "base" when discussing alkaline solutions.

Are hydroxide ions considered hydroxyl ions?

Yes, "hydroxide ions" and "hydroxyl ions" are considered the same thing, both referring to the negatively charged ion with the chemical formula OH-.
Key points:
Chemical formula: Both terms refer to the same ion, OH-.

Neutral form: When not charged, the "OH" group is called a "hydroxyl group".

Usage: While technically "hydroxyl" refers to the neutral group, in common practice, "hydroxide ion" and "hydroxyl ion" are often used interchangeably.
I know what a pH ist and you won't impress me with some dumb copypasta. Quote a textbook but not this lie machine.

Alkalinity in tap water is mediated by bicarbonate. There are only negligible amounts of hydroxide.
 

eastcoastjoe

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Thank you for your post friend, I'm not saying it's a Calcium deficiency. I'm saying the excess calcium and impurities in the tap water have accumulated in the substrate and are locking out other nutrients. Please go back and reread my post.

Nutrients become locked out when the pH gets too high. The role that acid pH plays with the hydrogen is to release the chemicals needed for plant absorption. Without the acid, the nutrients are less available.

In plants, the role of acid, which contributes to a low pH level, is to significantly impact the availability of essential nutrients in the soil by influencing their solubility; while some nutrients become more readily available in acidic conditions, others can become less accessible, and high acidity can also lead to toxic levels of certain elements like aluminum and manganese, potentially hindering plant growth.

Nutrient availability:
Different nutrients have varying solubility depending on soil pH; some nutrients, like phosphorus and molybdenum, are more available in slightly acidic conditions, while others become less accessible in highly acidic soils. Google

What are you basing this on ? You have no idea of his water quality
 

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