Canna Biogen question for Charlie/Dubi

[RC_Colas]

Hello charlie_garcia and dubi,

I hope that this is the right place to ask a Canna Biogen question, as they do not have a seperate forum and you seem to be involved with that breeding collective.

Question:
Which is the most potent sativa strain from their current offerings at Seedboutique (Caribe/Destroyer/Leshaze) and what are the experiences like in terms of duration/effect?

I am interested in running one of their Sativa along side your gear in my 2009 outdoor. Your feedback would be most welcomed

Cheers

RC_Colas

 

[RC_Colas]

Hello dubi or Charlie,

Any chance one of you would address this question or suggest who I may contact at Canna Biogen?

Cheers

RC_Colas

 

[Moppel]

try the spanish site. cannabiscafe.net

 

[dubi]

Hello charlie_garcia and dubi,

I hope that this is the right place to ask a Canna Biogen question, as they do not have a seperate forum and you seem to be involved with that breeding collective.

Question:
Which is the most potent sativa strain from their current offerings at Seedboutique (Caribe/Destroyer/Leshaze) and what are the experiences like in terms of duration/effect?

I am interested in running one of their Sativa along side your gear in my 2009 outdoor. Your feedback would be most welcomed

Cheers

RC_Colas

Good day RC Colas, :smile:

Don't worry, there's no problem asking about CBG genetics here in ace room, we are sister companies.

My experience is limited only as a grower, i've grown leshaze, caribe and destroyer and they are all great strain.

Leshaze has a lovely skunly floral jasmine aroma with anise tones. High is one of the bests, very warm, long lasting and pleasant but still clear and motivating.

Caribe is a higher yielding sativa with similar flowering time to leshaze, aromas are on the sweet side: strawberries. Caribe high is very powerful, dense and long lasting too.

Destroyer is a very special one, matures a little bit later than the other 2 and usually grows taller. Very high flower leaf ratio and massive resin production. Very complex tropical fruity aroma, one of my favourite pure sativa aromas without any doubt. Effect has a creeper nature and is very thaish, cerebral and electric.

Charlie garcia is out of home on a short holidays but will come back soon, he's the person to deeply answer your questions.

 

[RC_Colas]

Hello dubi,

Thank you VERY much for the reply and information provided. I will look forward to further input from charlie_garcia once he has returned from holiday

Cheers

RC_Colas

 

[Moppel]

RCcolas, i smoked the destroyer ,2 different phenos and they both were very nice and fruity smokes. The others i dont know....

 

[el gordo]

i've grown caribe and leshaze just when the bank pop out, so i don't know if they're the same as nowadays version, both are very nice plants but very different (maybe can grow both as i did), the leshaze it's a bit more faster (late october) with chunkier buds, the caribe matures into the first two weeks of november . the high was also more relaxed on the leshaze (to the point that if you have smoked caribe before going to sleep it was quite difficult until you smoked a more indica strain), overall i prefered of the leshaze for his stronger flavour and high, but the production of the caribe outdoors was awesome, my bro loved the caribe so i think both are good strains... sadly, no experience with the destroyer. i'll try to correct this soon..

 

[bonecarver_OG]

i once smoked the keeper destroyer of Timbo from OG.

for sure one fo the most potent outdoor soil grown buds i have smoked. i honestly got quite surprised.

the effect was electric and stimulating, a nice chatty social smoke that easilly gets to strong if you over smoke it. i can say i fell asleep in the car and my gf drove me back home half in coma after the session we had with timbo.. luckilly my gf dont smoke..

anyway - definetly some very potent phenos out there..

 

[charlie garcia]

hola amigos thx for all info

Cant say much but agree on those different terms and flavours of those 3 ones you all mention... all of them can be done in not many weeks perhaps Leshaze can be bit faster. There totally different each one shows a different type of sativa effect and hybrid concept.

thx for all info friends

 

[RC_Colas]

Thanks everyone for the great information and me thinks the 'Destroyer' will be the one I run along side some ACE gear I will let you all know in 2009 how it turns out

Cheers

RC_Colas

 

[Moppel]

hola amigos thx for all info

Cant say much but agree on those different terms and flavours of those 3 ones you all mention... all of them can be done in not many weeks perhaps Leshaze can be bit faster. There totally different each one shows a different type of sativa effect and hybrid concept.

thx for all info friends

¨thats what friends are for¨ (singing)

 

[ganjabrother]

Hi RC_Colas,
I'll just input my , for my opinion, keep in mind in the past I have grown with a HPS light (first grows), which I believe does not give the best quality high in the final bud.
I have grown "High Level," by EVA seeds (a feminized version of Leshaze, however probably not the as good in quality), plants were fairly variable, all with more or less the same high, a nice warm body, euphoric high, sweet, fruity aromas, fairly potent. Somewhat dense and trippy, but had no problem sleeping under the high, not an active one. They had a strong smell of skunk during flowering. However I wouldn't judge Cannabiogen's Leshaze with this one.

Have grown Caribe also, a nice sativa structure, excellent visual appeal, the plants you might want to keep are those with the redder stems, and more fluffy sativa calyxes (I believe this is the more Jamaican expression, although this strain is more or less stable), these calyxes should turn to a darker nearly blue like color when it matures, as the pistil turns brown.
Smell is very manageable indoors. gives a nice strawberry, orangy aroma and taste. The high should be potent and long lasting, with probably a higher ceiling than that of LesHaze, however i'll post a more detailed smoke report in my next grow (probably next year sometime, as i feel its a legendary strain which I need to grow again, under a MH (or CMH) next time around)
This Jamaican expression of the caribe, although not with an extemely long flowering time, should reflower (maybe at 9.5 to 10 wks), if left under 12/12.
Should give large (high bud/leaf ratio), frosty, resinous buds (although low density) indoors.

I saw in another one of your posts RC_Colas that you were from BC, Canada, so I guess it would be difficult for you to get nice large yielding Cannabiogen sativa plants with a high Bud/Leaf ratio outdoors in your climate. You'll probably get slighty faster flowering, slightly more cold resistant plants with Leshaze (just a guess).

Grown Outdoors at 50N, similar climate to Vancouver i guess, cold and rainy, with frost usually starting end Oct, the Caribe, (although hardy, 100%mold proof) having very exotic genetics, will grow slowly, be very leafy in flowering, and will give you very small, wispy buds (although most probably potent).
Anyways, let us know how your buds turn out for you outdoors...
peace

 

[RC_Colas]

Thanks gangabrother,

I really appreciate your two cents Depending on the season I may have a chance of finishing the CannaBiogen gear left to it's own devices, however I am considering some other strategies to have them flower during the summer months, but time will tell if those will prove fruitful

I will certainly keep the community updated on my trials and hope it will be successful

Cheers

RC_Colas

 

[four seasons]

I am planning on putting my destroyers out in May and will grow them out to the FULL season, throughout the whole summer. I already prepared my 30 gallon holes last month with plenty of Lime,Kelp meal,alfalfa meal, crab meal,greensand, rock phos. bone, blood, gaunos,Castings,endo-ecno micro,and plenty of homemade compost.
Im hopping to get a few huge TREES with these fine genetics.


I hope to get the whole CBG collection eventualy, if my health permits it.

Im so glad there are great breeders like the Ace collective (Dubi) and Charlie of CBG who are using older landrace and pure stock ,unique to the other seed companys.
I mean seriously, why so many OG kushes and BUbbas, what is the big deal with these elite clones?
I like seeds because of the endless possibilities they poscess.
Peace..

 

[Moppel]

the big deal = $$$$

 

[ganjabrother]

Im so glad there are great breeders like the Ace collective (Dubi) and Charlie of CBG who are using older landrace and pure stock ,unique to the other seed companys.
I mean seriously, why so many OG kushes and BUbbas, what is the big deal with these elite clones?
I like seeds because of the endless possibilities they poscess.
Peace..

I can second that most, I am just sick of seeing overpriced skunk crosses,
even dutch haze hybrids are indica dom in effect, they will knock you out as easily as a skunk, they are just more potent. When i see a coffeeshop list with NLHazes, blueberry hazes, lavender hazes... (often classified under sativa on the list), i wonder if there are even herbs available in the NL that are pure sativas and clear, non drowsy, in effect.

The landrace situation on the cannabis market seems very bad, only a few private owners seem to own many of the legendary strains of the past (which I am too young to have tried, havn't lives through the 70s), landraces such as Highland Oaxaca Gold, Highland Columbian Gold, Ethiopian Highland, Malawi Gold (pity african seeds co. shut down)... don't seem to be available anywhere anymore in pure form (some claiming to be the real deal, seem far from it).
Even the most famous sativa genetics used on most of the cannabis market arn't available in pure sativa form;
i'm talking about the true haze (for a long time only available through Sam the Skunkman's haze, inbred for one green haze expresssion),
the wide genetic range of expressions was succesfully brought back to the market by ACE seeds, without their effort (and Oldtimer's), these genetics might have been lost (or at most kept alive by a few private breeders).

Another classic one is Durban Poison, they are ALL crossed with skunks by dutch breeders, the pure thin leaved (i mean insanely thin leaved), low density bud version (previously available through african seeds co.), cannot be found any more, they are supposed to have a speedy, long lasting, no ceiling high... I hope to experience it sometime

I guess another problem is genetic contamination (from western based genetics, indica genes), contaminating the genetics in the very places where these landraces came from (classic example is jamaica), making it harder for those who want to source these pure genetics nowadays.

ACE seeds and cannabiogen's work (including all private breeders associated), hard efforts into preserving and breeding these genetics is a huge contribution to genetic preservation, as well as offering great high quality sativa strains to the rest of us growers.

My personal opinion is that I'm done with smoking skunks, dutch haze hybrids. No WW, NL... grows for me, that's one thing I'm sure of, that's why I'm on a Bangi Haze+ Nepjam grown atm.
I'm sure (hopefully being able to) that if I grow them outdoors guerilla next year, that they will give me hardier, resistant plants higher yields, and more potent buds with a more special, higher quality high than any outdoor strain by any dutch breeders (holland's hope, purple power, early..., socall "Durbans"...).

I may be rambling on, just expressing what I think of the cannabis seed market...

 

[medical_shed]

Agree with both you guys, I can't beleive there aren't more people growing these strains especially when there's a thread every few days about where to get good short flowering sativas. I was blown away with the quality of the plants as they grew, unbelievable resin production, then when they were dry I was blown away again. Some of the most potent buds I've grown and quite different from anything else too, real quality high and really tasty. That's NepJam I'm talking about, coinneseur pot.

NJ


I'm growing some crosses made with NJ just now and they look pretty good too.

 

[dubi]

I like seeds because of the endless possibilities they posess.

That's the spirit, you can get a greenhouse full of the same clones, such a boring job it's like being sit down in the same place for months but germinate a new seed :smile: it's like exploring a new little part of the forest!

 

[dubi]

As we commented previously, we have a huge respect for some of the modern dutch-american breds, try to bred something so uniform and good like old skunk would very hard, but we are not here to offer you the latest skunk or jack herer hybrid, even crossing hempy plants to skunk or herer would produce something potent.

That's the way many seed sellers (spanish ones too) are taking to produce their own commercial seeds, feminizing and creating completly unstable poly hybrids, crossing classic dutch breds like herer, ak 47, domina, widow, skunk, critical mass, ....

Pure sativa legacy is a shame right now, we have had a wide and strong cannabis commercial scene for almost 30 years, but people only wants to grow what is fashionable at the moment, like you said, now is the moment of the kush scene, even perfect commercial strains like apollo 11 or c99 are almost lost in seedline for the public! That means most people is not interested to preserve anything, even the most skunky and profitable lines will be lost in a few years when the 'new thing' comes.

There's only one sativa for the ducth scene, HAZE, we have huge respect for haze but is not the best pure sativa in the world and people must explore other sativa combinations to learn it.

Seems haze is the unique sativa genepool to combine with classic and highly selected afghani indica hybrids like skunk, NL etc ... what a pitty. Dutch genepool has mostly old colombian, mexican and thai sativas and lots of afghani indica but where are the indian sativas, nepaleses, congoleses, ethiopians, malawis and other african strains?

Their influence in today's commercial genepool is minimal, sativa genepool is so limited. Who is preserving pure colombians, mexicans and thais today? Looks like most modern american sativa lines have been crossed with indica at some point.

We are only doing what we love and there's no other way for us to do it.

 

[John Public]

Ganjabrother,

You won't believe me, but these strains still exist. Why only few private owners keep them is imho due to two simple reasons:

a) Those strains are usually very hard to grow, long to flower, some are full of hermas, produce few. I have for example seeds of pure sativa thais, no indica in it. But no pure males as well, 40% are hermies, 18+ weeks of flowering, skinny buds. Who will grow them? The massive smoker that need 5 spliffs per day and will only harvest 100 spliffs with a 600W? The weed seller that is growing for profit? Fact is that for these reasons, they have become in danger, because few people have the patience to grow them with respect and with the correct numbers to keep diversity in the line.

b) For one breeder like ACE or CBG or Tiki, that select the best parents in their own landrace lines and still preserve and make new seeds, how many will just catch the special pheno or pick the stable landrace, make their cross and not produce new fresh seeds of the pure line? It is difficult for a breeder that spent one year or more to preserve a line, to see it knocked off and used by another breeder without their approval, don't you think so? So the parental stock is not available for the wide community.

Hence there are still people that are preserving old school lines, trying to find the original from the old days, but they are hidden from places like IC Mag and the seed business in general because they were ripped off in the past.

Just find them and show them your good vibes!

here is a thai




here is an old school panama




here is a wild malawi




here is an old school jamaican






here is a bunch of indians and jamaicans