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in sure it works like tobacco to some effect, tho im not gonna bother since ive proven to myself raw is uneffective.
for some people it works know that
for some people it works know that
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nepthaze, howdy man 
how did you try it raw? fresh off the plant or cured? how much of it? were you sober prior? how good was the bud? your tolerance was high at the time?
i wonder if there is some kind of naturally occuring element that combined with cannabis, can make the cannabis a lot easier to absorb just sucking the bud in the mouth without needing to swallow it? like when you do when you chew sun dried coca leaves, you gotta add an alcaline, usually some kind of ash or lime, to help the alkaloids be absorbed through the mouth.
peace!
how did you try it raw? fresh off the plant or cured? how much of it? were you sober prior? how good was the bud? your tolerance was high at the time?i wonder if there is some kind of naturally occuring element that combined with cannabis, can make the cannabis a lot easier to absorb just sucking the bud in the mouth without needing to swallow it? like when you do when you chew sun dried coca leaves, you gotta add an alcaline, usually some kind of ash or lime, to help the alkaloids be absorbed through the mouth.
peace!
OneWingedImp
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I SOOOOOO Called that. You do need heat to activate it. Schwinnng!
idontgivenames
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i was told that the only reason tobacco absorbs into your linear tissues at the rate it does to give the buzz it does, is because they put fiber glass in it. other wise it would take alot longer and nto give you as much of a buzz. maybe dipping your weed in chocolate would help, lol. since chocolate has its own cannibinoids.
Silver Bullet
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^Yes, I believe this is the case. Without the gums being cut, the absorption wouldn't be as good. Eating bud straight up rather than smoking it makes the bud less potent.
G
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I get a buzz from using swedish snus. Its pure tobacco. Put it in my lip. So the fiber glass theory is wrong. Maybe fiber glass makes it even more absorbable but its not needed.
So it appears that using mj as snus, or chewing it, works.
Actually, I don't know what snuff is... is that the stuff you snort? Thats not what I was talking about, I guess I meant snus. Where you don't even chew, you just let it sit there on your gums.
Does chewing weed use your digestive tract, or is it absorbed through the mouth?
Anyone else experiment with this? I'd like to hear more people who just put a bud in their lip and let it sit there. Do you get any effects? How does it compare to smoking, and how fast do you get stoney...?
So it appears that using mj as snus, or chewing it, works.
Actually, I don't know what snuff is... is that the stuff you snort? Thats not what I was talking about, I guess I meant snus. Where you don't even chew, you just let it sit there on your gums.
Does chewing weed use your digestive tract, or is it absorbed through the mouth?
Anyone else experiment with this? I'd like to hear more people who just put a bud in their lip and let it sit there. Do you get any effects? How does it compare to smoking, and how fast do you get stoney...?
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In peru they do this BUT they mix it with with lime powder to make the chemicals alkaline and be released from the acidic bonds that hold it.
The mouth is naturally alkaline BUT most people don't take care of their mouth and so maybe adding a LITTLE baking soda to the wet herb might help. Peace.
http://www.cocabonsai.nl/Default.aspx?tabid=112
Chewing coca leaves with a dash of powdered lime is a nutritious and energizing way to induce healthy mood without causing an unsustainable high. Strictly speaking, the leaves aren't actually chewed. Typically, the dried coca leaf is moistened with saliva. The wad is placed between the gum and cheek and it is gently sucked.
The invigorating juices are swallowed. Lime-rich materials such as burnt seashells or a cereal are used to promote the separation of the leaf's active alkaloid.
Shamans from some traditional Indian tribes still smoke coca leaves for magical purposes. Inhaling the sacred vapors induces a trance-like state.
Coca enables a shaman to cross 'the bridge of smoke', enter the world of spirits, and activate his magical powers. Alas the leaves don't travel well; and this ancient usage is uncommon in the urban industrial West.
The leaves must be chewed with a little bit of the chemical "lime" (in English). This is not "lime juice," of course, but the chemical lime, also known as calcium oxide. It is sold in the marketplace, alongside the coca leaves, in the form of little stones. The stones come in varying shapes (usually like a miniature cigar / turd), a small ball, or a spiral), & varing shades of light grey to dark grey to charcoal black. They make the stones by burning plants (banana tree leaves), then mixing the ashes with water & solidifying them.
The lime / calcium oxide is called "cal" in Spanish. The native Quechua- and Aymará-speaking Indians call it by three different names (at least in and between Cuzco and La
Paz): "llijta," "llipta," and "llupta". So take your pick.
Anyway, what you do is put a little bundle of the leaves into your mouth (about 6 at a time), chew them a bit & wait until they are completely wet with saliva, and then nibble off a tiny bit of llipta with your front teeth. (Just a tiny bit!!! If you injest too much you'll get nauseated & vomit.) The llipta/llijta/llupta activates the small
amounts of cocaine in the leaves.
The mouth is naturally alkaline BUT most people don't take care of their mouth and so maybe adding a LITTLE baking soda to the wet herb might help. Peace.
http://www.cocabonsai.nl/Default.aspx?tabid=112
Chewing coca leaves with a dash of powdered lime is a nutritious and energizing way to induce healthy mood without causing an unsustainable high. Strictly speaking, the leaves aren't actually chewed. Typically, the dried coca leaf is moistened with saliva. The wad is placed between the gum and cheek and it is gently sucked.
The invigorating juices are swallowed. Lime-rich materials such as burnt seashells or a cereal are used to promote the separation of the leaf's active alkaloid.
Shamans from some traditional Indian tribes still smoke coca leaves for magical purposes. Inhaling the sacred vapors induces a trance-like state.
Coca enables a shaman to cross 'the bridge of smoke', enter the world of spirits, and activate his magical powers. Alas the leaves don't travel well; and this ancient usage is uncommon in the urban industrial West.
The leaves must be chewed with a little bit of the chemical "lime" (in English). This is not "lime juice," of course, but the chemical lime, also known as calcium oxide. It is sold in the marketplace, alongside the coca leaves, in the form of little stones. The stones come in varying shapes (usually like a miniature cigar / turd), a small ball, or a spiral), & varing shades of light grey to dark grey to charcoal black. They make the stones by burning plants (banana tree leaves), then mixing the ashes with water & solidifying them.
The lime / calcium oxide is called "cal" in Spanish. The native Quechua- and Aymará-speaking Indians call it by three different names (at least in and between Cuzco and La
Paz): "llijta," "llipta," and "llupta". So take your pick.
Anyway, what you do is put a little bundle of the leaves into your mouth (about 6 at a time), chew them a bit & wait until they are completely wet with saliva, and then nibble off a tiny bit of llipta with your front teeth. (Just a tiny bit!!! If you injest too much you'll get nauseated & vomit.) The llipta/llijta/llupta activates the small
amounts of cocaine in the leaves.
G
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I forgot to add the fact that fresh lemon juice might be a good alternative to lime powder because when lemon juice is processed in the body it reacts as a alkaline substance which means it will most likely help with the extraction of cannabinoids if you prepare a bud in lemon juice by the mouth secreting more alkaline saliva due to the acidity of the juice and the lemon juice that gets absorbed into the body turns into alkaline substances. Peace
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Interesting lotty. I wonder how much effect you get from coca leaves without the lime. And I wonder if marijuana needs to be in a alkaline environment for the bonds to break? Maybe its different?
I also wonder if this can be done with marijuana leaves for a buzz... Like, roll up 5 leaves in a bundle and put it in your gums.
I also wonder if this can be done with marijuana leaves for a buzz... Like, roll up 5 leaves in a bundle and put it in your gums.
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Now that I'm thinking about lemon juice and alkaline substances, I remember on OG someone used to make cannabis pills with olive oil and cooked them at 325f and one day he decided to try lemon juice along with the olive oil and found that it made the pills ULTRA POTENT and a pill that held a 1/4 gram was equaled to a pill that help 1/2 a gram or more.
He didn't know why this was the case and now that I'm putting everything together what might have happened was that the lemon juice help extract the cannabinoids into the oil, and when the pills were ingested, the acid helped free the bonds of the cannabinoids by the lemon acids become alkaline in the blood and making the cannabinoids react with nothing holding them.
This is why baking soda is added to cocaine to make crack, which is the alkaline baking soda release the cocaine from the salts of cocaine.
Just a thought. Peace.
He didn't know why this was the case and now that I'm putting everything together what might have happened was that the lemon juice help extract the cannabinoids into the oil, and when the pills were ingested, the acid helped free the bonds of the cannabinoids by the lemon acids become alkaline in the blood and making the cannabinoids react with nothing holding them.
This is why baking soda is added to cocaine to make crack, which is the alkaline baking soda release the cocaine from the salts of cocaine.
Just a thought. Peace.
G
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Damn, this REALLY has me thinking about the fact that when most people ingest cannabis, it's done with JUST fat and no vegetables that contain a high amount of alkaline minerals such as calcium, magnesium, sodium, and potassium which, in the case of calcium, is shown to turn on fat cells and start metabolism within these cells.
This is very important in our case because cannabinoids are fat soluble and therefore the more fat cells that are active, the less of cannabinoids will be stored which means more potency in the effects.
It also means more cannabinoids will be free and can react more quickly in the body than just cannabinoids that are attached to fat and in most people's case long chain fats which get digested very slowly. Peace.
This is very important in our case because cannabinoids are fat soluble and therefore the more fat cells that are active, the less of cannabinoids will be stored which means more potency in the effects.
It also means more cannabinoids will be free and can react more quickly in the body than just cannabinoids that are attached to fat and in most people's case long chain fats which get digested very slowly. Peace.
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Verite, the mouth secrete Lingual lipase which breaks down fat and when the molecules are small enough they can pass through the mouth mucosa. They don't have to be attached to fat. That just helps the enzymes do their job, especially in the digestive tract.
I'm glad you brought this up because lingual lipase in more active in a high ph(alkaline) environment such as a freshly cleaned mouth. Peace.
I'm glad you brought this up because lingual lipase in more active in a high ph(alkaline) environment such as a freshly cleaned mouth. Peace.
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And it would probably work great if THC was a triglyceride [ a lipid/fat ] that was broken down by the Lingual lipase. But its not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingual_lipase
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingual_lipase
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That's why I stated fats would help the enyzmes do their job BUT if the mouth is alkaline the enzymes and bacteria in the mouth will still break it down.
The mouth is no different than the intestines in that if the enzymes don't fully do their job, the bacteria handles the rest but if it's done like this, you wouldn't all that you can out of it. Peace.
The mouth is no different than the intestines in that if the enzymes don't fully do their job, the bacteria handles the rest but if it's done like this, you wouldn't all that you can out of it. Peace.
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Verite - how does tincture work then? Sorry, I really don't know...
i don't think adding an alkaline such as lime powder to mj as it is done with coca would work at all. because the active elements in coca are alkaloids, and in mj they are non-nitrogenated oils, which are not extracted through the same chemical processes.
anyway, what verite says has some truth to it, but the thing is that chewing a bud does get you a buzz nonetheless, it is a fact. now, whether the buzz comes from the absorption done through the mouth or through the stomach is a whole other issue...
peace.
anyway, what verite says has some truth to it, but the thing is that chewing a bud does get you a buzz nonetheless, it is a fact. now, whether the buzz comes from the absorption done through the mouth or through the stomach is a whole other issue...
peace.
G
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Even if the lime powder wouldn't work, by adding some type of alkaline mineral to your diet as well as lemon juice to make your blood more alkaline and stimulate more saliva, should enhance the absorption of the cannabinoids just due to the high amount of enzymes and bacteria in the mouth that WILL breakdown the bud.
I know that when I brush my teeth and it's still dry, which means it will start stinking again, I eat something acidic like a fresh green apple or a piece of lemon and my mouth gets a RUSH of saliva and for at least 3 hours, my breath won't stink even if I eat some food. This doesn't happen if I omit the apple or lemon and just go on with my day. Also, it only happens when I eat a piece of fruit that's acidic not just anything that's acidic.
Also, we can't say for sure that the lingual lipase enzyme won't breakdown the cannabinoids if they aren't attached to a fat because it might be able to still distinguish them from water soluble chemicals somehow. The goal is to breakdown the cannabinoids and other chemicals until they get to a point of being so small they can pass the mucosa wall with ease and using a rich source of bacteria and enzymes in the saliva will do this.
I would think putting the bud into the mouth in between the cheecks and gums and every 15-30 min. squeeze a little fresh lemon juice in the mouth to stimulate bacteria would help give a lovely effect.
You are basically doing a light fermentation because the heat from your mouth is actually speeding things up and allowing the bacteria and enzymes to start the breakdown. Peace.
I know that when I brush my teeth and it's still dry, which means it will start stinking again, I eat something acidic like a fresh green apple or a piece of lemon and my mouth gets a RUSH of saliva and for at least 3 hours, my breath won't stink even if I eat some food. This doesn't happen if I omit the apple or lemon and just go on with my day. Also, it only happens when I eat a piece of fruit that's acidic not just anything that's acidic.
Also, we can't say for sure that the lingual lipase enzyme won't breakdown the cannabinoids if they aren't attached to a fat because it might be able to still distinguish them from water soluble chemicals somehow. The goal is to breakdown the cannabinoids and other chemicals until they get to a point of being so small they can pass the mucosa wall with ease and using a rich source of bacteria and enzymes in the saliva will do this.
I would think putting the bud into the mouth in between the cheecks and gums and every 15-30 min. squeeze a little fresh lemon juice in the mouth to stimulate bacteria would help give a lovely effect.
You are basically doing a light fermentation because the heat from your mouth is actually speeding things up and allowing the bacteria and enzymes to start the breakdown. Peace.
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I also wanted to state than it has been shown that fermentation increases nutrients in food as well as create new chemicals and proteins and I'm what would happen if you leave a bud in the mouth for the whole day.
Will it make new chemicals that enhance the high because saliva recently been found to have a chemical that aids in being a painkiller and when combined with certain cannabinoids, I wonder if a new chemical will be made or will they combine together to enhance each others effects?.
Here's the article:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/ind...-1-20061113-19141600-bc-france-painkiller.xml
Study: Saliva painkiller beats morphine
PARIS, Nov. 13 (UPI) -- Saliva from humans has yielded a natural painkiller up to six times more powerful than morphine, Paris researchers say.
The substance, dubbed opiorphin, may spawn a new generation of natural painkillers that relieves pain as well as morphine but without the addictive and psychological side-effects of the traditional drug.
One gram of opiorphin injected into rats' paws for every 2.2 pounds of body weight achieved the same painkilling effect as 3 grams of morphine, NewScientist News Service reports.
The substance was so successful that the rats needed six times as much morphine as opiorphin to render them oblivious to the pain of standing on needle points.
"Its pain-suppressive effect is like that of morphine," says Catherine Rougeot at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, France, who led the research. "But we have to test its side-effects as it is not a pure painkiller," she says. "It may also be an anti-depressive molecule."
Copyright 2006 by United Press International. All Rights
Will it make new chemicals that enhance the high because saliva recently been found to have a chemical that aids in being a painkiller and when combined with certain cannabinoids, I wonder if a new chemical will be made or will they combine together to enhance each others effects?.
Here's the article:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/ind...-1-20061113-19141600-bc-france-painkiller.xml
Study: Saliva painkiller beats morphine
PARIS, Nov. 13 (UPI) -- Saliva from humans has yielded a natural painkiller up to six times more powerful than morphine, Paris researchers say.
The substance, dubbed opiorphin, may spawn a new generation of natural painkillers that relieves pain as well as morphine but without the addictive and psychological side-effects of the traditional drug.
One gram of opiorphin injected into rats' paws for every 2.2 pounds of body weight achieved the same painkilling effect as 3 grams of morphine, NewScientist News Service reports.
The substance was so successful that the rats needed six times as much morphine as opiorphin to render them oblivious to the pain of standing on needle points.
"Its pain-suppressive effect is like that of morphine," says Catherine Rougeot at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, France, who led the research. "But we have to test its side-effects as it is not a pure painkiller," she says. "It may also be an anti-depressive molecule."
Copyright 2006 by United Press International. All Rights
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