Can a pheno be cloned perpetually?

[redlevels]

what happens when you clone a weed? i know it's similar to the original plant, but what happens when you let the clone Veg, and before you flower it, you take another cutting, and you let that cutting Veg, and before you flower it, you take another cutting from it, and let it grow, and before you flower it, you take another cutting ... well i guess you get the picture now, so my question is how long can you keep taking cuttings from clones in this way?

Can you keep cloning like this for eternity w/ the same pheno, or will something happen that creates a limit to how many times you can clone from a clone before the pheno explodes?

 

[Guest]

for ever and ever and ever and ever etc

 

[pico]

Been cloning the same pheno for 6 years now an I am sure there are other people on there that have gone MUCH longer.

 

[Guest]

As has been said before you sure can. Some debate on if the genes change and become less vigor but not in my experience.

Perpetual Cloning leads to Perpetual Harvest

If you find a pheno or pheno's you Love & Cherish why wouldn't you

Cloning is as EZ as

Peace

 

[randude]

I have heard rumors that the thc dies out after generational cloning, but I am more on the mind set that the growers get tired of the same weed and want to move on. Moving on has it's advantages of keeping new excitement in the process. Once you go like the people with many years of the same pheno I believe it must be more like a job than a fun hobby. All in my personal opinion of course.

 

[Guest]

i have had a kali-mist cut of a cut of a cut for almost 3 years...she seems to be getting stronger actually or maybee she has just adapted to her home

 

[Guest]

from my experience no loss of anything and i dont keep mothers i just clone over and over

I have heard rumors that the thc dies out after generational cloning, but I am more on the mind set that the growers get tired of the same weed and want to move on. Moving on has it's advantages of keeping new excitement in the process. Once you go like the people with many years of the same pheno I believe it must be more like a job than a fun hobby. All in my personal opinion of course.

 

[Guest]

I would second the getting stronger as she adapts to her home theory.

They acclimatize to the conditions and hopefully you figure out what she needs and after a few generations yeild and quality should always be better than the first grow from seed.

Peace

 

[randude]

You gentlemen both have good points. I have seen how certain phenos seem to be more healthier than the others. Through almost natural selection I end up pulling up the weaker ones, or they just take the action themselves. If through the course of time one continues that you will selectively breed in the healthier and probably more potent. If the idea is that the healthies plants are the stoniest ones. (again there are government reports about stress causing higher thc, It was not conclusive. Also in that report it said that competition from other plants might caused more thc too.). Some other factors could be that the grower learns what is best for the plant too, more than just a dialing in. It's a fun hobby.

 

[Guest]

I'm at several years with one pheno,just always take your cuts before switching photoperiods to 12/12,that is most important.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

preferably take cuts before 12/12 but ya can take em upwards of 2-3 wks in 12/12 as long as no pistols are forming on the cuts ya desire. if pistols present just takes longer to root them cuts but can be done. my current bonsai is almost 1 yr old and was a cut taken 3wks into flower with pistols, she took 6 full wks to revert to veg and root lol but she provides lotsa fresh cuts weekly. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919&highlight=Bonsai very very good reading and tutorial for bonsai mother plants just the thing to insure that favorite pheno lives on

 

[Guest]

Yea Mothers will treat you right as well but unlike our natural Mother's these Ladies need care.

More Space, Lights, Ferts, Electric, Work, & Money

For me all that equals Hassel

I tried it before and now i do it by Perpetual Cloning and i love the simplicity of it.

I always cut 6 or 8 cuttings they all live every time i let them all veg on the 2 nd transplant i select the ones i want to flower + 1 more that will be my mom.
The day i harvest the 2 plants i wanted to flower, go in the flower room and the mom stays in veg. After 2 weeks i cut my clones and start the next generation the mom then goes to a friend as a nice plant for their balcony. I harvest every 10 weeks cause i grow a Sativa Dominant.

If you had plants that finnished in 7 weeks you would harvest every 7 weeks

I only have 2 cabs and since my electric is free i even use my 400 watt for cloning flouro's work better though i think i will get some next time.

Peace

 

[floroscroger]

I have a plant that finnishes in 10 week.For about a year it was the only strain I was growing. I got it worked out to where I was harvesting one plant each week. 10 plants in flower,one out, one in.Then everythuing got screwed up when I tried some diff seeds and got a pheno that flowers in 16 weeks.I got 2 othe phenos that finish in 8 weeks. I also got some that went hermie. By the time I threw out the clones I had taken from the hermies I had to flower out the clones from the 16 week pheno. I still have about 8 weeks to go before I get my flower cabnet straightened out. Then I should be back to my weekly havests.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

only reason i suggested bonsai mum is if something happened to the whole crop you wont loose that favorite pheno. heres my bonsai alomst 1 yr since she was a cutting


under 54w in singel bulb fluros walmart sells a 17w growlight lol. i have 4 but use 3 in the pic 2 x 17w 1 x 20w. she is watered once each wk and fed ferts lightly every other wk. she provides me 10 cuts each wk or 20 every 2 wks a person can use cfl's for a smaller space and i'll never loose this pheno i'll have her untill i die

 

[Guest]

Maj.PotHead if you are in need of cutting clones often and have the room your methode is a must.

But for the little guy like me who just wants to grow on a small scale and keep things rolling over i prefer what i have described and i have never lost or come close to losing a strain by accident so that is not a worry.

I say again that if you are in need of cutting clones often and have the room your methode is a must!

Peace

 

[Grownz]

I was reading the forums a couple of weeks ago and there was a similar question. Someone posted something along the lines of, a plants "biological clock" is still the same amount of time whether the genetics are kept as one plant or whether it is cloned over and over. Which means, if a plant is gonna last say 5 years before losing vigor, potency etc etc, it will do reguardless of whether you perpetually clone it or keep it as a mother. It's something i would tend to agree with.

I find where i'm from, the people pushing the theory that a plant loses vigor, potency etc etc from being cloned over and over, are the people with mother plants who make money cloning from them... Just some food for thought....

 

[guest123]

wow id love to see one explode ....

 

[Guest]

Several of my friends and myself grew Hash Plant for the last 10 years all from 2 clones given to me by a friend while this strain was just a myth to most. We are only now just changing to Kush.

The strain stayed the same all the way through. Quality of clones and growing conditions always changed but when all was dialed in we had the same monster kick ass buds.

One thing that can happen when you have large mother patches of the same strain is mutations for what ever reason. It can be from sprays, stress, bugs what ever. Some times they don't grow out and you may not find that mutation til after flowering. You then transfer it to your next mamma generation and so on....

We had this problem for the last couple of years. We would get these plants that didnt want to stretch then the weird growth would start and then they would freak out. It's hiding in the mamma patch somewhere. We were thinking of doing the whole labeling process to all our patches and growing everything out til we found it. This would be cuts from 100's of mothers though. Hard to commit to that.

We are done with HP now though. Kush it is.

 

[Grownz]

wow id love to see one explode ....

LOL, I assume you're talking about my "Biological clock" comment. it was the only way i could put it into words. Sorry if it seems silly.

 

[Sloppy Seconds]

Speaking of Mother plants and cloning, how long can you keep a mother?
wont it continue to grow and need a larger and larger pot? or will it kinda stop growing roots and live well in the same container?
sorry about the noobness...thanks.