CAMBODIAN SATIVA

[funkyhorse]

Northern Thailand 2008 on the right 2 out of 12 seeds. Will sprout them next month the ones left before too late
Best MadMac Ohz girl x Northern Thailand 2008 hermie girl pollen on the left, 100% germination fresh seed
All out for sexing winter project

 

[mexcurandero420]

When there are difficulties with the germination, think of coconut water.

 

[herbgreen]

Love the Plants Funky!

Great to know about the purple OT x Meo Thai

You might look into a solar fan move air or exhaust air >google solar exhaust fan

It could help with PM and bugs

Circulating fans and exhaust fan or an intake fan all can be solar units that are cheap to buy

I dont know how close you are to electricity outlet

ladybirds probably solve your bug issues if you have any...overtime

You got bugs galore!

Its a good thing If you keep the balance

 

[goingrey]

After coming back from living in Asia for over 30 years and being very dissapointed with the local weed, I started growing because if not, I could never smoke decency at this part of the world. Sativa has become a bad word, an insult
My first grow was a side by side Destroyer and Desfran both fem versions because Desfran is available only fem
The only thing copied I am afraid was the name. Destroyer gave a very long beautiful purple cola indoors and was much longer flowering than Desfran. I had 2 desfrans, one took 44 days and the other 66 days to finnish under 12/12.
Desfran is rope, huge dissapointment. I thought the fact of them being fems was attempting at quality at the time.
This shit won plenty of cups. Cups here are won by the organizers. Do you think is any different at lat50N?

44 days wow! That would be amazing (50N is "in the south" for me). Well not so amazing if it's rope. But it doesn't seem to match with other online reports where, like usual, it's actually going longer than the advertised 9 weeks, 10-12 or so. Wonder what happened. And wonder if their other "fast sativas" Power Plant or Strawberry Cough are more reliable.

 

[herbgreen]

Dutch Passion is a huge knock-off machine

If you ran a few packs you may be able to find something...its just not ideal

Its really the meo thai people want

Its in ACE double thai, CBG destroyer, ACE OThaze x thai and ACE viet black x meo thai, ACE Golden Tiger (original)

And Zamaldelica by way for Golden Tiger (original)

 

[goingrey]

Dutch Passion is a huge knock-off machine

Desfran is fem knock-off

If you ran a few packs you may be able to find something...its just not ideal

Its really the meo thai people want

Its in ACE double thai, CBG destroyer, ACE OThaze x thai and ACE viet black x meo thai

Well I don't know about that. DP do have some knockoffs. But they are also legends in the game who have put out many original strains that have been knocked off by others, like the aforementioned Power Plant. And they have helped literally millions of people get meds over the 35 years they've been in business. Regarding the legitimacy of their genetics, all I can really say is the Auto Duck I'm growing now does have some webbed leaves, so at least that one is legit.

But enough about DP... Those Meao Thai hybrids you mention are all unfortunately discontinued as far as I can tell. Zamaldelica is a descendant though I think but surely quite different due to other influences.

 

[funkyhorse]

Wellll, I chopped the Meao Thai pheno
it is Purple Ot1 haze x Meao Thai freebie. I was sent two packs, one was lost in customs
I was warned of very poor germination
I got 9 out of 10 from the pack that luckily made it through customs, the second pack was lost to the system sadly
This seems to be the F2 or F3 batch made from 2012 and 2015
I got 5 seeds up and a 6th was a mutant and didnt make it. The rest didnt pass the cotyledon stage
Meao Thai pheno chopped today
I thank all the canna Gods for this. It was the freebie, some people give freebies that rocks and others give garbage for freebies. Crazy canna world
I was going to post it in the Oldtimer Haze thread but I think it is suitable here too

Top shot

 

[herbgreen]

Great! sent you a PM.......

 

[Hmong]

the Shoreline is probably a nice skunk if you mention it. Is it?

you asked for 80's Skunk right?

And I meant to the 80s skunk from California.

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I am currently working with a cross of this original Shoreline seeds and Mr Nice G13-Haze
G13-Haze x Shoreline (feminized)

G13HxSL S1 (cut)

G13HxSL S2 are currently in my report:

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found it! Hmong Hilltribe fd21 May '14 Nice! Ive always had a desire for Hmong Thai/Viet From my research, the Hmong fled Chinese oppression in China and brought their genetics along with them some hundreds of years ago during one of the many Tibetan/Mongol vs China conflicts...

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[willydread]

I loved green ot1hz x meao thai, I still have a package in the freezer (plus purple hz thai x green hz thai ) ...

I believe that there are still treasures among peasant families, in rural areas of Southeast Asia, we just need to win their trust and get rid of the image of tourists who are a bit idiotic and with money to pluck ....

 

[Hmong]

think of coconut water.

any info about the dosing of the coconut water? or is it just enough to add some one time when soaking the seeds? As it reads, like you'd at it as fertilizer later.

 

[herbgreen]

This is what I saved after hempy was talking about it....

Hempy's germination tricks

"Try the coconut water method i found it works great on old and hard to germ seed.

Boil 1Lt of water let it cool then add and mix in 20 mil of 100% organic coconut water.

Add some into a glass place the seed into that mix and let soak for 24 hours.

Then place into towel or what ever method you use to germ seed and use the mix to keep paper or fabric towel moist."

 

[funkyhorse]

Solar Logos left this unvalued precious knowledge, check the thread

Germinating old seeds

Germinating old seeds





Thank you very much for your kind words my friend. That link on the water pollination is interesting. I clicked on it though and only got one post of him pollinating a PCK, I didn't see the rest of the thread. I haven't had much time to research this, but I'm always looking for more knowledge and better methods. Thanks romanoweed for posting that.

I'm happy to share with you what I've found that works for me and some reasoning behind it. Maybe there is something someone can find useful from this
Here is what I do for old seeds:
My method involves washing the seeds to kill any fungus. Damping off is often a problem with old seeds. I soak seeds in tap water and household chlorine bleach (no scent, just plain bleach) for 20 minutes. The ratio is 1 Tablespoon of bleach per gallon of water.
After the soak, I dry the seeds and either crack the seeds or scarify them. I don't have a seed cracker but small hospital hemostats work if you're careful. Usually I scarify them with either fine sandpaper, 2000 grit or an emery board, the kind used for fingernails. Here, I just want to make a pin hole on the side of the seed along the ridge, where the 2 halves of the outer shells meet. You only need a light pass once or twice usually. Don't take too much off. Just break through and make a pinhole in the shell where the 2 halves meet. This allows the liquid to get in as old seeds usually have very hard shells.

Back to sterilization; I use latex gloves when handling the seeds after the 1st soak in bleach solution. Even if I use the paper towel method on new seeds, I use latex gloves, especially when transplanting them into the medium. I had about 20% of my seedlings die off several years ago from transplanting seedlings without gloves from paper towel to medium.
After cracking or scarifying the seeds, I put them in a strainer and rinse them in tap water.
I don't have access to fresh coconut milk, so I use organic, as fresh as I can find. Coconut is a seed, a nut or a fruit. But as a seed, it has pretty much all the goodies for a new plant to live on for a while. It has cytokinins, phytohormones which promote cell division, as well as gibberellic acid, which has been shown to increase old seed germination.
H202 increases the oxygen in the coconut water. Seeds need oxygen for aerobic respiration, breaking down food so the embryo can have energy. I don't know what other reasons for the H202, but I assume that is the primary function. I do know it increases germination rates. I'm guessing, but I would say my ration is about 1/4th teaspoon of 3% H202 to 2 shot glasses of coconut milk. You can add a pinch of finely powdered diastatic malt to add enzymes. On the KG repro, I also added 1 drop of Roots Excellurator Gold.

To be honest, Coconut milk and H202 are probably the most important ingredient. I think they are all important, but those 2 are really good by themselves. As far as time, I go 24 hours minimum and usually go 36 hours, depending on the seeds, my gut feelings, etc.
After the soak, plant the seeds in fresh ewc. I don't use the commercial bagged ewc sold on the shelves. I have my own worm farms just for these occasions. I'll use bagged ewc in soil, but not for sprouting seeds. I plant the seeds in trays or starter cups filled with fresh ewc, with seeds being planted 1/4 to 1/2 inch deep. Don't pack the ewc, keep it loose for oxygen and so the seeds don't get too wet. I put them in my cloning chamber and just mist spray the dome. Keep them warm and humid. I like to keep everything at 80-85F. As long as there is no remaining organic matter in the ewc, they won't mold. Don't let the ewc get dry. Mist spray them if they do. You don't want them too wet, but not dry either just moist. Keep the dome and walls inside the chamber sprayed once or twice.Because we don't want our seeds too wet and have plenty of oxygen, we want the RH to be very high. I put the whole thing on a seed mat and a thermometer inside to monitor temps and RH. RH is usually 85-99%.
Patience. The seeds have been asleep a long time, it takes time to wake up. My KG didn't come up until day 31, then they all started coming up after that. A friend of mine last month had the same thing with old seeds, started coming up on day 31. Give them time and lots of positive vibes.
Peace, God bless

 

[bibi40]

Throwing pearls to swine, is another old saying. I have no opinion on Nevil other than I did not like his haze. Seems a lot of hate at him and skunkman or Dave Watson. Not sure what that is all about. They made strains available to the public at a time when that was not easy, meaning legal.

60 hehe, just a kid still.

Jealousy ?

 

[bibi40]

 

[TAÏNY]

Jealousy ?

@bibi40 Come on dude! Please be precise. Just say exactly "who" you think the man is jealous of and why. Why it has to be so VAGUE? It's nothing wrong to express your opinion.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Northern Thailand 2008 on the right 2 out of 12 seeds. Will sprout them next month the ones left before too late
Best MadMac Ohz girl x Northern Thailand 2008 hermie girl pollen on the left, 100% germination fresh seed
All out for sexing winter project
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good plan,
sexing during winter can help keep you warm funky, hehe,
good luck with the project ...

 

[TAÏNY]

Wellll, I chopped the Meao Thai pheno
it is Purple Ot1 haze x Meao Thai freebie. I was sent two packs, one was lost in customs
I was warned of very poor germination
I got 9 out of 10 from the pack that luckily made it through customs, the second pack was lost to the system sadly
This seems to be the F2 or F3 batch made from 2012 and 2015
I got 5 seeds up and a 6th was a mutant and didnt make it. The rest didnt pass the cotyledon stage
Meao Thai pheno chopped today
I thank all the canna Gods for this. It was the freebie, some people give freebies that rocks and others give garbage for freebies. Crazy canna world
I was going to post it in the Oldtimer Haze thread but I think it is suitable here too
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I start to be jealous now. Everybody has done they growing and me I haven't grown shit yet .It look YUMMY too.

 

[elchischas]

I like it when I can find common language and experiences with people from all over the world

After coming back from living in Asia for over 30 years and being very dissapointed with the local weed, I started growing because if not, I could never smoke decency at this part of the world. Sativa has become a bad word, an insult
My first grow was a side by side Destroyer and Desfran both fem versions because Desfran is available only fem
The only thing copied I am afraid was the name. Destroyer gave a very long beautiful purple cola indoors and was much longer flowering than Desfran. I had 2 desfrans, one took 44 days and the other 66 days to finnish under 12/12.
Desfran is rope, huge dissapointment. I thought the fact of them being fems was attempting at quality at the time.
This shit won plenty of cups. Cups here are won by the organizers. Do you think is any different at lat50N?

It seems at this part of the world the norm is selling you or giving you their worst and I am seeing this in the canna world too. My best strain is the freebie of lat50, the garbage of lat50 here is gold


Khun Tainy
Somebody asked me privately and now that you are commenting on this, I think what we are seeing here is farangs are making Bollywood out of Thai weed
What I am seeing with these so called collectives is that they are making a strain out of every single thai garden with a few plants and claiming they are better than thai stick
For example, the seed you found from your friend weed in the hands of these farang collectives it becomes immediately Sisaket Gold and 5 seeds sold for more than 1500 baht

The best weed available today is the south east asian weed. This doesnt mean it was the best in history at all. It just means that all over the planet the landraces of old had been sprayed/killed with paraquat and they are not available anymore. This is a fact. And since the hybridization of asian weed started not so long ago, seeds are still viable and not much time left to save the genetics.
I found 3 types in Asia, you mention a fourth. Batches were always different making it not so boring as it always happens in Landraceland
1)cambodian brick or flower had the same kind of high. The sumatran I tried in Indonesia had the same high as cambodian and you report the same as travellers I met in Thailand, Dalat viet weed has the same high as cambodian
2)Chiang Mai/Chiang Rai weed
3)VangVieng weed/lao weed. Probably all Isaan weed is same like this. This one was my asian favourite

Khun Tainy mentions a 4th being Phuket weed.
I have been to Ranong and Koh Phayam/Koh Chang many times and the weed grown and sold there to farang is from the best batches of cambodian brick. Same in Koh Phangan
How is Phuket weed like???

Northern Thai 2008 is the lat50N freebie. At lat 50N is absolute garbage. Girls grow male branches and pollinize everything in 24 hours. Few firm girls
I outcrossed the best firm girl to a few strains. This year I tried 2 of them and next year more experimenting with this strain, excellent landrace resistance with the thai strain crosses with unrelated sativas. Next year I will run the cross of this girl with Laos Mango for some asian x asian taste experience
N Thai 2008(Chiang Mai weed) x Colombian Gold 72 from JGL
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N Thai 2008 x (Seedsman Hz x Ohz90)
Even with degraded haze genetics it is making what I think is called heterosis
No bugs on buds. I think I am chopping today. First time I am getting this type of buds without going intersex
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Purple Haze x Meao Thai, Meao Thai pheno
No mold, no bugs as all crosses with real thais. This is getting the chop this week for sure, excellent landrace resistance and this is what I need. This place is full of bugs, this is Bugland
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Sprout your south east asian weed before it is too late!! The rest of the world is showing to you what happens with the weed and how everything gets lost

Wow! More than 30 years in Asia and you didn't find a good sativa? Thats really impresive to say the less...
The project Destroyer according to the words of one of the breeders was get that pure Thai strain and try to offer to the public, but they said what was really long flowering time so isn't good idea sell as a comercial product so they decide add some genes from México and Colombia. I sent them verde limón from Michoacán area seeds and then they cross that Michoacan with some unknow sativa from Colombia (unknow to me) and then add to the Thai mom, so goal of the project was the Thai side but the people who had the opportunity to try Thai in its purest state said that it was very powerful but very cold
an empty effect that rather left people scared so after all adding other genes was not only to decrease the flowering time but also gave it hybrid vigor and a superior sativa profile
I know very well verde limón mexican part of Destroyer its not a really potent smoke but it is not a lazy grass
it is rather the type to talk and think without feeling totally blown so i'm really sure that the Desfran cut its the kind of verde limón side of the hybrid: huge colas a lot of production but not devastatingly powerful. I grew Destroyer many times even this feminized cut and remains me a lot the verde limón Michoacan traits. in my opinion destroyer its the master work of Cannabiogen
a sativa hybrid of the highest quality, where by doing a meticulous selection job you can find phenos that are authentic jewels in the world of sativas.

 

[funkyhorse]

Wow! More than 30 years in Asia and you didn't find a good sativa? Thats really impresive to say the less...
The project Destroyer according to the words of one of the breeders was get that pure Thai strain and try to offer to the public, but they said what was really long flowering time so isn't good idea sell as a comercial product so they decide add some genes from México and Colombia. I sent them verde limón from Michoacán area seeds and then they cross that Michoacan with some unknow sativa from Colombia (unknow to me) and then add to the Thai mom, so goal of the project was the Thai side but the people who had the opportunity to try Thai in its purest state said that it was very powerful but very cold
an empty effect that rather left people scared so after all adding other genes was not only to decrease the flowering time but also gave it hybrid vigor and a superior sativa profile
I know very well verde limón mexican part of Destroyer its not a really potent smoke but it is not a lazy grass
it is rather the type to talk and think without feeling totally blown so i'm really sure that the Desfran cut its the kind of verde limón side of the hybrid: huge colas a lot of production but not devastatingly powerful. I grew Destroyer many times even this feminized cut and remains me a lot the verde limón Michoacan traits. in my opinion destroyer its the master work of Cannabiogen
a sativa hybrid of the highest quality, where by doing a meticulous selection job you can find phenos that are authentic jewels in the world of sativas.

Hola Señor elchischas
Me da la impresion que estas usando un traductor
Lo que intenté escribir es que estoy muy desilusionado con la basura en la que se transformó la genetica local que en mi caso es sudamericana pues estoy cultivando y viviendo en Sudamerica despues de vivir 30 años en Asia.
Hasta hace 10-12 años todavia quedaba decencia en Sudamerica. He fumado muchas veces lado a lado ladrillo paraguayo con ladrillo asiatico tanto en Sudamerica como en Asia y el paraguayo era un poco mejor, pero eran todas buenas calidades, incluso habia tandas triposas. Y cuando lo comparo con lo que encuentro en el mundo cannabico de las semillas, debido a la hibridacion yo encuentro que las geneticas y las calidades estan diluidas

Tu eres la segunda persona que describe esta Meao Thai como marihuana fria y ni se me ocurre a que se refieren con frio. Nunca escuche una definicion de frio o caliente para describir marihuana. Estoy muy interesado en probar esta Meao Thai en un par de meses a ver como pega y descubrir que es faso frio

Para mi es mas interesante cada una de las variedades puras que todo mezclado en un hibrido para buscar algun feno perdido

La cola violeta de la destroyer de donde viene? De la Meao Thai seguro que no. De la verde limon lo dudo muchisimo. Que clase de colombiana da esas colas violetas y le acorta el tiempo de floracion a la Destroyer será un enigma que quedará para la posteridad