mango audrey ,,high hopes she finishes well here in uk
laos x sk/nl ,,sister to the one posted previously will be tried outdoor
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mango audrey ,,high hopes she finishes well here in uk
laos x sk/nl ,,sister to the one posted previously will be tried outdoor
These are great points. I'd say the non serrated are a particular genotype and within that population special plants can be found but not guaranteed .
There's some recombination going in here but we're only seeing half the puzzle since these phenotypes are outliers. The biggest take for me is the causal correlation between very High humidity and monsoon conditions with the special leaf Traits. Add to that flavonoidd/carotenoid to protect from uvWaxy finish, usually dense trichomes on non reproductive organs(including stalkers cbc), a non shedding trichome structure that stands up to rain.
These types are also terrible yielders. Which. Is why so impressed with the silkroute work crossing the Burma terrible yielded to a special f3 nld andarab pop male. All of a sudden great yields while asllso keeping most of profile from mom
i really dont think anyone in asia was growing cannabis during the rainy time of year ,
unless they forgot they had monsoons ,
perhaps they started them towards the end of it ,
but by the time the plants were flowering , there had likely been no rain for some months ,
and there wasnt likely to be any either,
those plants were getting the dry finish they required to produce the best quality herb we all sampled back in the day , hot , dry and likely not a big amount of humidity , as that lessens a lot during the dry season ...
unless they forgot they had monsoons ,
perhaps they started them towards the end of it ,
but by the time the plants were flowering , there had likely been no rain for some months ,
and there wasnt likely to be any either,
those plants were getting the dry finish they required to produce the best quality herb we all sampled back in the day , hot , dry and likely not a big amount of humidity , as that lessens a lot during the dry season ...
funkyhorse
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I am luckily having dry nights and I can see the difference
They clearly prefer dry cold than wet cold
So Porterhouse have different names, it is called rib with tenderloin here
I take all fat out, there is enough marble fat in the steak. I understand it is tastier if cooked with the fat but it is very heavy for me
Glorious chips have different names too
Do you call them french fries? I call them papafrita
We learnt together with led05 that colombian weed in North America is very different to what was colombian weed at the southern parts of the continent and this is clearly matter of confusion and it is also surprising
I have questions, I hope you dont mind guys
I am growing Mong Hsat. I am not making any cross on the girl, I made south east asian crosses with the boys which are currently on the making
Why would you use a non productive strain like Mong Hsat for your commercial crosses?
Why do you cross it to indicas? The result will be another indica and there are probably many strains more interesting to do this
This is the first Thai I am harvesting from Ace Seeds release
This must be the P5 and it shows inbreeding depression
This is the top shot of the Ace Thai girl, a 3 meter tall plant, I expect I will get dry finnished product around 10 grams of sugar leaves mostly.
Meatless bone
This is Northern Thai '08 x Laos Mango
I crossed this plant
back to the Northern Thai males
All the backcrosses I tried so far gave inbreeding depression problems, I hope this wont happen thanks to the 25% Mango Haze IBL part of the combo having a lot of genetical mix in it. So in next combo this would become 75% Northern Thai, 12,5% Laos and 12,5% Mango Haze IBL
Why the inbreeding depression problems in backcrossing and how it can be avoided?
The grinspoon phenos are not desirable. I think grinspoon phenos is the end of the line and from there is downhill, at least is what happened to me here
They clearly prefer dry cold than wet cold
So Porterhouse have different names, it is called rib with tenderloin here
I take all fat out, there is enough marble fat in the steak. I understand it is tastier if cooked with the fat but it is very heavy for me
Glorious chips have different names too
Do you call them french fries? I call them papafrita
We learnt together with led05 that colombian weed in North America is very different to what was colombian weed at the southern parts of the continent and this is clearly matter of confusion and it is also surprising
I have questions, I hope you dont mind guys
I am growing Mong Hsat. I am not making any cross on the girl, I made south east asian crosses with the boys which are currently on the making
Why would you use a non productive strain like Mong Hsat for your commercial crosses?
Why do you cross it to indicas? The result will be another indica and there are probably many strains more interesting to do this
This is the first Thai I am harvesting from Ace Seeds release
This must be the P5 and it shows inbreeding depression
This is the top shot of the Ace Thai girl, a 3 meter tall plant, I expect I will get dry finnished product around 10 grams of sugar leaves mostly.
Meatless bone
This is Northern Thai '08 x Laos Mango
I crossed this plant
back to the Northern Thai malesAll the backcrosses I tried so far gave inbreeding depression problems, I hope this wont happen thanks to the 25% Mango Haze IBL part of the combo having a lot of genetical mix in it. So in next combo this would become 75% Northern Thai, 12,5% Laos and 12,5% Mango Haze IBL
Why the inbreeding depression problems in backcrossing and how it can be avoided?
The grinspoon phenos are not desirable. I think grinspoon phenos is the end of the line and from there is downhill, at least is what happened to me here
gee that steak and chips looks great funky ,
i can almost taste it from here , lip smacking stuff indeed ...
when you say backcrossing ,
does this mean you have a cutting you are crossing a later generation back too ?
or are you crossing say an f4 back to an earlier filial generation ?
and im with you on the grinspoon phenos ,
i think they are a complete waste and not practical and should not be sought after at all ,
this is like wild cannabis structure , not something worked to be more productive ,
they should be avoided in my opinion and just seens as impractical novelties ,
not as potential breeding stock by any means ...
i can almost taste it from here , lip smacking stuff indeed ...
when you say backcrossing ,
does this mean you have a cutting you are crossing a later generation back too ?
or are you crossing say an f4 back to an earlier filial generation ?
and im with you on the grinspoon phenos ,
i think they are a complete waste and not practical and should not be sought after at all ,
this is like wild cannabis structure , not something worked to be more productive ,
they should be avoided in my opinion and just seens as impractical novelties ,
not as potential breeding stock by any means ...
Nice
funkyhorse
Well-known member
When I say backcrossing I mean crossing back to the same genetics, I dont keep cuts, for myself it is too much, I like variety
I try to avoid endogamy crossing it back to the same plant. I try to cross it back with another plant of the same strain, but when I did it with CG72 or Ohz it leads to inbreeding depression. I will check probably next season next year
Chips rule, I indulge once a weed or sometimes once every 5 days, I love them too much
I can still find grass fed cows. Trippy steaks. I am not joking. The trick is in their feeding. here they are fed rye and from their shit grows the psylocibe cubensis I have in my freezer
Trippy steaks indeed
Grass fed cows are becoming as rare as sativas these days
Enjoy them while they last
I try to avoid endogamy crossing it back to the same plant. I try to cross it back with another plant of the same strain, but when I did it with CG72 or Ohz it leads to inbreeding depression. I will check probably next season next year
Chips rule, I indulge once a weed or sometimes once every 5 days, I love them too much
I can still find grass fed cows. Trippy steaks. I am not joking. The trick is in their feeding. here they are fed rye and from their shit grows the psylocibe cubensis I have in my freezer
Trippy steaks indeed
Grass fed cows are becoming as rare as sativas these days
Enjoy them while they last
this vietnam phenotype is from an early silkroute post. this is smooth turned up to 10 but it also looks alot like the outback haze #3 female. just with alot less resin.
imo there are elements of the "jungle" potency we arent considering. most likely nitrogen based(alkaloids etc)?
cannabis usually doesnt have any of these which is why you cant OD, but the compounds have been found in thai in the 70s. northern thailand cultivar called meo thai in research lit. a little bit goes a long way with these and stems/leaves/even roots known to be the highest tissues.
fermentation was practiced first in the jungles so maybe that could play role in stuff like "sumatra tripping weed" rare alkaloids usually not found in buds but present in a fermentation/brick situation. i know very little about these types but these are some pics.
some pics i found on the aceh/sumatra. landraceteam mostly. not exactly lookers
imo there are elements of the "jungle" potency we arent considering. most likely nitrogen based(alkaloids etc)?
cannabis usually doesnt have any of these which is why you cant OD, but the compounds have been found in thai in the 70s. northern thailand cultivar called meo thai in research lit. a little bit goes a long way with these and stems/leaves/even roots known to be the highest tissues.
fermentation was practiced first in the jungles so maybe that could play role in stuff like "sumatra tripping weed" rare alkaloids usually not found in buds but present in a fermentation/brick situation. i know very little about these types but these are some pics.
some pics i found on the aceh/sumatra. landraceteam mostly. not exactly lookers
led05
Chasing The Present
Max amount of the “Dr type” I tolerate in a cross or cultivar, but this plant will yield at least a few ounces so I’m not complaining
These pictures do no justice, these are tiny calyx balls of hash, effectively
ahh i thought that funky ,
its probably more accurately line breeding , inbreeding etc not back crossing ,
and its ok to do , just needs some seletion , the larger sample , the healthier the offspring ,
after all this was done a lot back in the day in places like thailand and colombia,
but they used a lot more plants , its 1 to 1 matings that can cause issues when no selection is done ...
trippy steak hey , hehehe ,
im lucky where i live we have plenty of grass fed cows and exceptional quality beef ,
sadly we export our best , so if you want a the best aussie steak ,
chances are you ll get it in another country ,
which sux a bit i think ,
in the past few years its really increased in price too , due to droughts and other factors ,
beef farmers locally have been happily collecting $2000 a beast for a while now ....
oh yes that lady is great ledo,
nothing close to those unproductive grinspoon examples ,
agreed she looks like shes full of little resin balls ....
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figured i better add a picture too since ive mostly been just babbling away , haha ,
this is grown from a cutting of laos i kept for a few years ,
it was the most productive of the lot and i really enjoyed the high from her ,
i used her in a lot of seed making projects which i think went quite well ,
in time , if i get the chance too , id like to look around in laos for more seed ,
i think theres better to be had there than thailand ,
and a lot of seed in recent times found in thailand are likely from the laos brickweed in any case ...
figured i better add a picture too since ive mostly been just babbling away , haha ,
this is grown from a cutting of laos i kept for a few years ,
it was the most productive of the lot and i really enjoyed the high from her ,
i used her in a lot of seed making projects which i think went quite well ,
in time , if i get the chance too , id like to look around in laos for more seed ,
i think theres better to be had there than thailand ,
and a lot of seed in recent times found in thailand are likely from the laos brickweed in any case ...
The point of breeding f1 hybrids is take 2 unrelated varieties is heterosis hybrid vigor. Your actually creating new traits not found in either parent. Don't get caught up in the indica/sativa nonsense it's irrelevant when kept at f1. Resin is what we are growing. The trichome profile is what we're interested inI am luckily having dry nights and I can see the difference
They clearly prefer dry cold than wet cold
So Porterhouse have different names, it is called rib with tenderloin here
I take all fat out, there is enough marble fat in the steak. I understand it is tastier if cooked with the fat but it is very heavy for me
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Glorious chips have different names too
Do you call them french fries? I call them papafrita
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We learnt together with led05 that colombian weed in North America is very different to what was colombian weed at the southern parts of the continent and this is clearly matter of confusion and it is also surprising
I have questions, I hope you dont mind guys
I am growing Mong Hsat. I am not making any cross on the girl, I made south east asian crosses with the boys which are currently on the making
Why would you use a non productive strain like Mong Hsat for your commercial crosses?
Why do you cross it to indicas? The result will be another indica and there are probably many strains more interesting to do this
This is the first Thai I am harvesting from Ace Seeds release
This must be the P5 and it shows inbreeding depression
This is the top shot of the Ace Thai girl, a 3 meter tall plant, I expect I will get dry finnished product around 10 grams of sugar leaves mostly.
Meatless bone
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This is Northern Thai '08 x Laos Mango
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I crossed this plant
All the backcrosses I tried so far gave inbreeding depression problems, I hope this wont happen thanks to the 25% Mango Haze IBL part of the combo having a lot of genetical mix in it. So in next combo this would become 75% Northern Thai, 12,5% Laos and 12,5% Mango Haze IBL
Why the inbreeding depression problems in backcrossing and how it can be avoided?
The grinspoon phenos are not desirable. I think grinspoon phenos is the end of the line and from there is downhill, at least is what happened to me here
So you start with the resin you want- in this case it's calyx and sugar leaves coated in large sandy trikes of both stalked (thc) and stalkers (cbc) . Of articular importance are the sesquiterpenes found on the non reproductive parts will give that greasy pungent volatile compounds.
Then you find tge plant with desirable structure flower time and yield . You want it to take a backseat on the actual terpene profile but have high resin content- in nevs case he used nl5 in this case they used the nld Hindu kush selected for 3 gens for a pungent camphor/pine stem rub and very long petioles but narrow leaves. massive vigor excellent branching.
even tho a5 has "indica" none of the f1 a5 show any cbd ar all
We're not worried about filial generations in hybrid breeding because we're only looking for a queen the plant from f1 generation.
recombination of undesirable indica traits is irrelevant
The f1 queen will have all the resin traits from the Burma without any non desirable Hindu "indica " traits .
This is exactly what nev did with nl5 x haze A in the 80s. To this day a5 is the most desirable and successful female even after 30 years. With just thus one a5 clone Ace has released countless fire lines karma bringing a5 back and piffcoast releasing the piff cuts having massive impact for hime growers. I'm not concerned with anything past f1 because just like a5 one female can change everything
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Mimpi Manis
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I wonder this selection is what is in the C5/Mango/Laos? In your estimation Mr Duck, what is the closest strains you've come across in your work (or other) that resemble those outstanding old SE Asians some of we old buggers so revere? Potent, trippy, joyous (most times!) and unforgettable. Lack of encore cant all be attributed to tolerance issues surely? That shit could cut through granite!
yes lj,
thats the mother of that cross ,
my experiences of south american stuff is a little limited to be honest ,
other than the odd colombian plant i grew and what ive seen via hazes ,
ive checked out a bit of african stuff also ,
but really ,i think the asian stuff is in a league of its own with regard to trippiness ,
and just the mind-altering capacity it has ,
and no i dont think its all due to tolerance , the effect it has ,
im sure it can be , but moreso the specific ratio of cannabinoids im thinking ,
along with set , setting , tolerance , a whole range of factors ,
ive seen some folks discount how others have felt ,
with regard to tripping weed , its effect on them , etc ,
i mean who are they to say someone didnt feel a specific way ,
thats just plain silly,
experiences are not opinions and they cant be wrong or right ,
they simply "are" ...
thats the mother of that cross ,
my experiences of south american stuff is a little limited to be honest ,
other than the odd colombian plant i grew and what ive seen via hazes ,
ive checked out a bit of african stuff also ,
but really ,i think the asian stuff is in a league of its own with regard to trippiness ,
and just the mind-altering capacity it has ,
and no i dont think its all due to tolerance , the effect it has ,
im sure it can be , but moreso the specific ratio of cannabinoids im thinking ,
along with set , setting , tolerance , a whole range of factors ,
ive seen some folks discount how others have felt ,
with regard to tripping weed , its effect on them , etc ,
i mean who are they to say someone didnt feel a specific way ,
thats just plain silly,
experiences are not opinions and they cant be wrong or right ,
they simply "are" ...
Mimpi Manis
Well-known member
There's a glitch in the editing facility on this site... cant get rid of one copy of this reply. No delete option. Been pissing around for over an hour. So if we get a repeat message... apologies. Jesus, the internet is gettin to be a PITA these days innit?
Spot on... IMHO. The irony is, the one place I never got to try good Thai... was Thailand. I never managed to get there till the 90's. Got to try some good stuff in Penang - direct from hands of three Italian guys - just back from Burma/Thai border 1979. Singapore (yep!) in 72 and in Oz mid 70's were where I had some of the best SE Asian too. The stuff the Italians had was stellar. One of them pulled the stick out from one the four he had. Cut it in half and rolled one of those big 666 papers around the sucker. About ten of us sitting and passing it around. It looked, smelled and tasted like the biz. By second toke I knew this stuff was real deal. Everyone was talking at once. One of the Italian boys hit the dust moaning about el spiro something. "Let me breath... let me breathe." Poor old Paolo got walked around and reassured by us for a wee while. He declined the opium experience we arranged for the next day. One of the locals used to bring some nice Aceh around. He liked it wet with tobacco and moulded into something that looked like hash. He squeezed all the moisture out and smoked it with a papaya stem. I loathe tobacco in my weed... straight bud for moi!
It was almost always bullets in Singapore. From brothel madam via Indian becak taxi in 72. $S10 ($A5) for 4 compressed bullets. Lots of nervousness around the exchange and all... even in those days. Close to an ounce all up I reckon. (Guess was either Thai or Aceh). The Singapore stuff was top shelf. All went down the toilet before plane to UK. Broke my friggin heart.
Mostly shit and fake sticks on the beach in Bali 1979. Met a couple of young guys who had about a half pound of seedy bud from Sumatra stuffed in a satchel in their room. Bought a little...exxie too. Mostly brown, heavily seeded and not too fresh. Pretty ordinary it was. The later sticks available here were pretty ordinary too. Getting good stuff was always a lottery in the West. Quite a bit of decent black hash in Sydney around 78. Never thought we'd lose all this great weed so easily. Bloody criminal what happened to all this outstanding IBL/heirloom legacy weed and those brilliant SE Asian farmers. What's your theory re origins of those old lines and what's happened to them all? Is anyone capturing anything close these days in your estimation?
Spot on... IMHO. The irony is, the one place I never got to try good Thai... was Thailand. I never managed to get there till the 90's. Got to try some good stuff in Penang - direct from hands of three Italian guys - just back from Burma/Thai border 1979. Singapore (yep!) in 72 and in Oz mid 70's were where I had some of the best SE Asian too. The stuff the Italians had was stellar. One of them pulled the stick out from one the four he had. Cut it in half and rolled one of those big 666 papers around the sucker. About ten of us sitting and passing it around. It looked, smelled and tasted like the biz. By second toke I knew this stuff was real deal. Everyone was talking at once. One of the Italian boys hit the dust moaning about el spiro something. "Let me breath... let me breathe." Poor old Paolo got walked around and reassured by us for a wee while. He declined the opium experience we arranged for the next day. One of the locals used to bring some nice Aceh around. He liked it wet with tobacco and moulded into something that looked like hash. He squeezed all the moisture out and smoked it with a papaya stem. I loathe tobacco in my weed... straight bud for moi!
It was almost always bullets in Singapore. From brothel madam via Indian becak taxi in 72. $S10 ($A5) for 4 compressed bullets. Lots of nervousness around the exchange and all... even in those days. Close to an ounce all up I reckon. (Guess was either Thai or Aceh). The Singapore stuff was top shelf. All went down the toilet before plane to UK. Broke my friggin heart.
Mostly shit and fake sticks on the beach in Bali 1979. Met a couple of young guys who had about a half pound of seedy bud from Sumatra stuffed in a satchel in their room. Bought a little...exxie too. Mostly brown, heavily seeded and not too fresh. Pretty ordinary it was. The later sticks available here were pretty ordinary too. Getting good stuff was always a lottery in the West. Quite a bit of decent black hash in Sydney around 78. Never thought we'd lose all this great weed so easily. Bloody criminal what happened to all this outstanding IBL/heirloom legacy weed and those brilliant SE Asian farmers. What's your theory re origins of those old lines and what's happened to them all? Is anyone capturing anything close these days in your estimation?
romanoweed
Well-known member
i looked up climatecharts for Vientiane Thailand - Thaistick ORigin roundabout..
IMHO looking at those climatecharts, and from my Experience looking at my own climatecharts , i would say below 10 Raindays per Month feels relatively normal, you dont get bored to infinity from the constant shitweather ...
(the climatechart is differeing Raindays / Nonraindays, meaning Days where a certain amount of Rain has fallen is called a Rainday) .
So you see in the chart indicated by the blue Line the Raindays per month Jan, Feb, March, April....
You see the point where Raindays per Month go below 10 is in Oktober..
I heard from the Thaistick-book guy himselve, that Thaistick was harvested around about mid December (if my memory serves me right)
So, how can one speak only about the harvestdate mid December when it is infact relatively dry.
I mean, we talk about a Floweringperiod of 3, 4 months. Extending well into the wetter period..
Probably the Phenos that still had monthold Resin on them were preffered and therefore selected.. probably it made the weed better.
But please dont talk to me again like a 15 year old guy that is generally a bit dlusional, thats just me scraching a bit his head, as Thailand IS one of the wetter counties on Paper, has one of the higher -millimeter Rain per Year compared to all other Countries in the world.. Im NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING, im just scratching my head a bit ..
thanks for listening, bye
IMHO looking at those climatecharts, and from my Experience looking at my own climatecharts , i would say below 10 Raindays per Month feels relatively normal, you dont get bored to infinity from the constant shitweather ...
(the climatechart is differeing Raindays / Nonraindays, meaning Days where a certain amount of Rain has fallen is called a Rainday) .
So you see in the chart indicated by the blue Line the Raindays per month Jan, Feb, March, April....
You see the point where Raindays per Month go below 10 is in Oktober..
I heard from the Thaistick-book guy himselve, that Thaistick was harvested around about mid December (if my memory serves me right)
So, how can one speak only about the harvestdate mid December when it is infact relatively dry.
I mean, we talk about a Floweringperiod of 3, 4 months. Extending well into the wetter period..
Probably the Phenos that still had monthold Resin on them were preffered and therefore selected.. probably it made the weed better.
But please dont talk to me again like a 15 year old guy that is generally a bit dlusional, thats just me scraching a bit his head, as Thailand IS one of the wetter counties on Paper, has one of the higher -millimeter Rain per Year compared to all other Countries in the world.. Im NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING, im just scratching my head a bit ..
thanks for listening, bye
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Funny you should post about trippiness Labia Joose as I just got done smoking a bit of Mong Hsat Burma from ILE. This stuff is trippy, more so than I initially thought. No noids thankfully. Lysergic is a word that comes to mind.
RSC has their Burma and I have seeds but I guess they are the same thing? Will find out someday.
RSC has their Burma and I have seeds but I guess they are the same thing? Will find out someday.
romanoweed
Well-known member
i had hallucinations on still a bit wet 70s Landrace.. .Like 5 days old, limegreen.. fresh,
so i dont believe in not-curing is a part that PREVENTS tripping..
because my experience..
but good luck.. one of the most important things for you to check IMHO , is that old Strains in the 70s were different than 2023 collected thai.
So, the genetics have changed.. you sound so engaged in reserch, but havent spotted that todays thai look different? no, not the leavesize, the look.. the colors, the harmonic look is gone.. thats all my oppinion, if someone thinks different , good!
