CALIFORNIA VOTERS ONLY--SHOULD CANNABIS BE LEGALIZED AND TAXED AND REGULATED?

[Hash Zeppelin]

It makes me sick to think any grower would vote know on this. voting no on this for a grower is an act of pure greed, and arrogance. If things stay the way they are the DEA may bust down your door one day based on a minor infraction, or slip up with your grow already; how would things be worse if it was legalized? Vote no and Karma will get you. I wish that no one on earth would go to jail for personal grows, and this bill will really light up the legalization movement across the whole country and world.

 

[evergreen]

so the only drawback with this bill of legalizing would be the higher price for the product if you buy in a shop?

would private growers for personal use be taxed?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

so the only drawback with this bill of legalizing would be the higher price for the product if you buy in a shop?

would private growers for personal use be taxed?

If truly legal the price will drop, I could produce the highest quality Cannabis outdoors for $100 a kilo easy, dried but not manicured. I have no idea what a legal industry will retail Cannabis for, but it will be cheaper then the illegal industry is now.

No of course not.
-SamS

 

[evergreen]

If truly legal the price will drop, I could produce the highest quality Cannabis outdoors for $100 a kilo easy, dried but not manicured. I have no idea what a legal industry will retail Cannabis for, but it will be cheaper then the illegal industry is now.

No of course not.
-SamS

so definitely a good thing...

i hope danny devito was right, and it will be legalized in november ;-) go cali!

 

[Tom Hill]

I am with you on this one Sam. Admittedly, it took me a while to come around but when I search my heart I must vote yes.

I do not like a few of the particulars of this law but cannabis (and those 800,000 folks) can not afford for me to get hung-up on that. And it may mean some life changes for me and many of my friends but that's life, this is not about us. In the end, in my eyes, this is a loud and clear yes vote for cannabis, and that's what matters.

I have grown right through 5 presidents and its been a hell of a ride with many bumps in the road. The fear, the jailed loved ones, the broken families, etc, etc. Sam is right imo folks. Enough is e-fucking-nough!

I'll be voting a big fat YES in November, and I hope other canna-folks rise-up and do the same.

Sincerely,
Tom

 

[F_T_P!]

Voting NO.

This law is bullshit and takes away personal freedom. We already have medical, fuck the commie state and their taxes. They just give that money to illegals anyways.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Voting NO.

This law is bullshit and takes away personal freedom. We already have medical, fuck the commie state and their taxes. They just give that money to illegals anyways.

No problem, but what about the loss of personal freedom of the over 800,000 arrested each and every year? Or don't they count even a little bit to you? As long as the government leaves YOU alone everything is ok with you, no changes needed? Seems a bit selfish...

-SamS

 

[Voodoo]

Greed controls those who argue against the legalization of marijuana.

In every instance, the first argument to be made is always "large scale grows will be difficult, which will make it difficult to make money."

Every product, I don't care what it is, costs more when its illegal. The price of marijuana will drop SUBSTANTIALLY when commercial growers like Lorillard and Marlboro can plant acres of perfectly dialed warehouses. Keep in mind, when all of us refer to similar growing plants, 95% of us reference tomatoes - a crop worth nearly nothing.

This isn't about money, it's about not going to prison for an herb. Get it right.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I live in the Netherlands and have zero plans to return to the USA, until or unless maybe if the federal government would reschedule Cannabis from schedule 1 to schedule 3 or 4, and end all federal laws against personal cultivation. As well as change the crazy homeland security laws in-acted in the last decade. I am not holding my breath, and have not even visited the USA in almost a decade. It depresses me to see that Americans have traded their rights and freedoms for the illusion of security against terrorism.

-SamS

 

[westcoastgirl]

I am a voter here and I plan to vote for full legalization.

Taxing and regulating will take some time and never be perfect. It will be nearly impossible to find everyone that is not part of the tax system.

I am not afraid of anything to do with legalization. I hate having to always be paranoid about everything being just right so that I can feel free and enjoy a buzz when ever I want.

 

[Kalicokitty]

It depresses me to see that Americans have traded their rights and freedoms for the illusion of security against terrorism.

-SamS

That's the messed up part, we didn't trade shit, they got everyone real scared, and then used that fear to strip away our rights and freedoms while we were busy worrying about the days "terror alert level"

As a non med state resident, I hope this passes.

 

[vta]

Voting YES

This law is far from perfect but it is a great 1st step. 1st off LEO won't have a reason to harass the thousands they do now. I know 1st hand how our current possession laws ruin lives.

If this passes, it will help further the legalization movement nationwide and even world wide. Just look at what happened with MMJ...it's catching on like wild fire...and all thanks to California for being progressive*.

I can understand DA's, Cops and Sheriff's against this law. Not because they are against personal freedom but because they are against anything that jeopardizes their pay check. And they are against losing the ability to use MJ as a way to get you into their system.

What I don't get are growers against this bill. They are afraid of losing money when they should see this as an opportunity. It's great to see guys like Tom come out to say yes...and I think Tom might see the bigger picture. I know for a fact that if this passes...I sure would love to[and expect to] pick up a pack of Deep Chunk joints down at the corner store.





*pro·gres·sive [pruh-gres-iv] :
–adjective
1. avoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, esp. in political matters
2. going forward or onward; passing successively from one member of a series to the next; proceeding step by step.
3. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.

 

[subrob]

i think everyone who has seen any threads on this subject knows how i feel. i wont rehash...other than to say this will be the beginning of change everywhere. weve got momentum and to lose it now would be the stupidest move in the history of cannabis legalization. it would make me laugh if it werent such a sad, pathetic possibility. please vote yes...pretty please!

 

[jjblunt]

Informed people? And you say "but again local zoning laws could and will be placed against growers as allowed in this law." you need to reread the law, and stop spreading lies.

You are so uninformed it is a joke. I suspect for you it is all about the money, not the 800,000 arrests every year? Sad, dude.

THANK YOU SAM! I think a problem is people don't actually read the bill for themselves and understand it, they just read what other people say and take it as fact. There should be a whole freakin thread dedicated to the "Myths about Tax Cannabis 2010" to educate people on what this initiative is and is not going to do.

 

[jjblunt]

Voting NO.

This law is bullshit and takes away personal freedom. We already have medical, fuck the commie state and their taxes.

Explain how this bill takes away personal freedom. No one will take away your personal freedom faster than a LEO with the current laws against cannabis, so how will this further that loss of freedom?

Yes we do have medical, but we are all not sick and do not want to abuse a system that was set up for people with serious illnesses and conditions.

People also need to understand that your personal grow WILL NOT be taxed.

 

[kmk420kali]

I have a couple comments--
First, let me say, I am against this Initiative, I think it is poorly written and will bite us in the ass--
That being said....I will vote Yes on it...only because it is the only game in town right now--
I do not think prices will go down much, because the only reason this has a chance in Hell...is because of the huge revenue it will produce...everyone sees how much ppl will pay for it, and I don't see prices dropping all of a sudden--
I do think it is wrong to say that anybody who is against this is only against it because of greed...there are many reasons to be for or against something...and there are great points on both sides of the coin--

 

[Tommy Trichome]

As someone who was born and raised in the cannabis culture in Nor-Cal, and as a long time grower, I will be voting NO!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

As someone who was born and raised in the cannabis culture in Nor-Cal, and as a long time grower, I will be voting NO!

Why?

 

[stonedstoner]

As someone who was born and raised in the cannabis culture in Nor-Cal, and as a long time grower, I will be voting NO!

and i totally understand where you are coming from even though i wasn't raised in the cannabis culture of norcal, however i am a part of it now. but think about all of the ppl that have been making there living growing for the passed decades. what are they supposed to do after it's legalized? and what about the trimmers that are getting paid hella money to trim...they are only going to be making minimum wage if it's legalized.

and i really think that this initiative is poorly written. even dennis peron the author of prop 215 is against this initiative ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpHwDJDR-s&feature=related ) . and if we have someone who's been so influential in the marijuana movement against it, maybe ppl should really think about what's going on here. richard lee is a dick...it's even in his name, dick lee. he's going to be one of the commercial growers that oakland sanctions in the near future and he (and maybe 3 other rich motherfuckers) will be growing a shit ton while the rest of us can only grow in 25 sq ft. ( http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_15214128 ). come on, that just doesn't sound right.

plus...what about all of the ppl that are in jail now for marijuana offenses? we need a bill that will release all of those ppl. we need to work for a better bill for 2012. two years is not a long time to wait. we need to have a better leader. we need to elect someone like dennis peron to write the initiative. he wrote prop 215 and that was so loosely worded that anyone who wants to get access to medical marijuana can, which is fucking awesome. and who's to say that those of us who use it recreationally are not using it medicinally at the same time? you may not even realize it, but you may be using it medicinally even though you're just trying to get high.

 

[MarquisBlack]

Why?

People don't want to see their last vestiges of local commerce go to international corporations. Some consider that greed, but I think that's unfair. It's not greed, it's survival. No one wants to see anyone go to jail over a plant. (I hope)

Here in America, Cannabis growers are nearly the only people producing a product "in house". Most of our jobs are service positions, all of our industry has been outsourced.

I personally think this bill is premature and if I were in Cali I would simply not be voting either way.