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Calif. pot dispensaries told by feds to shut down
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That sucks. Now if things go back underground/blackmarket LEO now has peoples names that are in the business. I hope you take precautions.
FreedomFightr
Member
Im still trying to figure out why George Soros has invested so much money in MJ Legalization. Makes me wonder why a NWO shill would do this? Could there be a deeper underlining conspiracy?
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IE2KS_KUSH
Re: Feds order all Calif. medical-marijuana outlets to close !!! WTF
Re: Feds order all Calif. medical-marijuana outlets to close !!! WTF
Another point prop 19 scapegoaters...you realize that "the people " passed mmj, and that if the current administration took into account the outcome of ballot issues and based the decision on that, they would not be doing this! It has nothing to do with 19, and everything to do with King Obama's core political position as a bed wetting more/bigger government is best philosophy. Nothing more.
Re: Feds order all Calif. medical-marijuana outlets to close !!! WTF
Another point prop 19 scapegoaters...you realize that "the people " passed mmj, and that if the current administration took into account the outcome of ballot issues and based the decision on that, they would not be doing this! It has nothing to do with 19, and everything to do with King Obama's core political position as a bed wetting more/bigger government is best philosophy. Nothing more.
WTF are you talking about?? I just went through the whole thread, and 19 was only mentioned twice-- Hardly the flamefest you are building it up to be-- lol
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Ok, things are starting to get posted, after I wrote this-- But it is pertinent to this, as it is not simply pointing fingers...it is trying to get some to realize voting No was a mistake, and hopefully not make the same mistake again--
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StoicStoner
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I think it's funny that people think prices are going to go up. What do you think is going to happen with all this outdoor surplus that people can't easily get rid of in 15 minutes anymore? If anything, they might go down, because people have to distribute themselves.
Also keep in mind that some people only toke due to the availability of decent bud at brick and mortar dispensaries, and the safety implied by going that route. Many people will not go back to the old try-your-luck street dealers with the risks and all.
So think of the excess surplus, the eagerness to get rid of said surplus, plus fewer people willing to purchase through shady means. Supply goes up, demand goes down. How do you think THAT'S going to turn out???
Also keep in mind that some people only toke due to the availability of decent bud at brick and mortar dispensaries, and the safety implied by going that route. Many people will not go back to the old try-your-luck street dealers with the risks and all.
So think of the excess surplus, the eagerness to get rid of said surplus, plus fewer people willing to purchase through shady means. Supply goes up, demand goes down. How do you think THAT'S going to turn out???
very true my friend. however, if that is the case. the simple gross misuse of taxpayers money running a scare tactic or whatever this is should still pi$$ you off. i pay quite a bit in taxes every year and it pisses me off. they need to CONCENTRATE on the real problems we have and cali's dispenseries shouldn't even be athought in their tiny little heads..
ahhh i see..
but you realize if obama manages to shut down the dispensaries he will have done more damage than bush did in both his terms...
sooo yea on this single issue id have taken the states rights duo as opposed to "federal law trumps state law" obummer
on all other issues they are pretty much all the same people..
19 wouldnt have done shit.....the feds let it be known BEFORE 19 was voted on, that they would crack down on it if it passed!!
one of two things is happening...they could be attacking 215 to pave the way for corporate legalization. or they are simply just attacking 215 and states rights and trying to send shit back into the stone ages....
one of two things is happening...they could be attacking 215 to pave the way for corporate legalization. or they are simply just attacking 215 and states rights and trying to send shit back into the stone ages....
I've never met one person that has chose to use a drug or refrain based on its legality. When will our government learn that prohibition on any level costs us billions of dollars annually?
Not only does it cost us billions of dollars to put people in jail, go through the courts ect, but innocent people lose their lives. IF marijuana was legal in all states, how many people WOULD KILL for it? None. because the supply would go up and the demand would remain the SAME. As it stands, you have people who are sick that grow marijuana who literaly have to worry about street thugs kicking their door down putting lead in their head, and stealing a few thousand dollars worth of herb..
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO LEARN?
Not only does it cost us billions of dollars to put people in jail, go through the courts ect, but innocent people lose their lives. IF marijuana was legal in all states, how many people WOULD KILL for it? None. because the supply would go up and the demand would remain the SAME. As it stands, you have people who are sick that grow marijuana who literaly have to worry about street thugs kicking their door down putting lead in their head, and stealing a few thousand dollars worth of herb..
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO LEARN?
Batboy
Member
THIS
Why do I not see more people pointing the finger at all of the Prop 19 no-voters? To all the pro-mj, pro-mmj, anti-prop 19 voters out there, you helped create this situation and you should realize that you have significantly weakened your own cause.
Sure Prop 19 was a state law, as is 215, and sure the feds could have still pursued a similar action even in light of prop 19 passing, but this would be a signficantly different battle if it was the Feds vs. statewide legalization, instead of Feds vs. dispensaries operating under uncertain mmj regulation. We'd be looking at a grand showdown in the judiciary instead of an all-powerful DOJ deciding at will that it's time to crack skulls and confiscate assets. IMO - if prop 19 had passed, the DOJ would not have had the power to touch those dispenseries; this would have gone straight to the courts, and possibly our nation's highest court. Or maybe, just maybe, Prop 19s approval would have been the signal that those dipshits needed that the people really do want to stop the criminalizing of people who grow and ingest a plant.
Do you realize that Prop 19s failure is one of the main arguments used by prohibitionists? For all the outrage on this board, the powers that be legitimately think that they are enforcing the will of the people. They say that the people of CA don't want mmj or legalization and they point to Prop 19s failure as their evidence. If you are a CA resident, and you voted no on 19, yet you are shocked and upset by this latest move, then you are a hypocrit and an ass and you owe an apology to thousands of mmj patients that don't want to turn to big pharma to ease their suffering.
Words from the actual field of battle. TY Mrs B and hope this works out someday.
Mr.Wags
FreedomFightr
Member
Just more proof that our Government is not "for the people by the people". The FEDS can and will do what they want. You think they cant shut down evey club in Cali? Your mistaken. Look what they said to the state of texas when they tried to kick out the TSA. They threatend Texas to be a NO FLY ZONE!
StoicStoner
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As the one who, against my better judgment, brought 19 into this thread, I actually wholeheartedly agree.
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IE2KS_KUSH
McCain stating his PERSONAL opinion on the subject is far from a President McCain stomping all over states rights. Like Dr. Paul, whom personally does not believe in abortion, I would like to think that a true conservative worth his salt, (which McCain isn't, nor was Bush for that matter) would not compromise that core belief in lieu of his personal belief. Like I said at that time, at least he had enough respect for you to NOT LIE TO YOUR FACE AND INSULT YOUR INTELLIGENCE. Obviously people would rather be lied to though, apparently, despite the truth being glaringly apparent. So what's new?
I am at the point now where I have simply accepted that I am a criminal, I don't give a shit about MMJ laws frankly. They are piss poor, and actually cause more harm to full legalization than good. By allowing the debate to be about "medical value" and "who's getting "MMJ"" advocates have allowed the opposition to control the debate and keep the real issue out of the picture, because they can't possibly defend that position w/ any intellectual integrity. All the while the zombies cheer and applaud that they "won", all the while not realizing that they conceded the big picture. Fuck'em all, I'll be a criminal, the vast majority of the people that should be concerned w/ this issue are misguided and ill-informed, therefore they have no hope of making any progress and will be forever trapped in their own circle doing what they are told to do and believing what they are told to believe. There are probably literally thousands of examples of this here on this site. I will do what I can as an individual which is all any of us can do at this point, and that is, GROW YOUR FUCKING ASS OFF! IF YOU FEEL THE LAW IS UNJUST, IT IS YOUR DUTY TO VIOLATE IT. At this point nothing short of an armed uprising will change the status quo history tells us this.
The answer is not in "the government" nor is it a particular "person". As long as the majority of people in our community continue to believe that "someone" will come along and deliver them from this oppression, you will continue to be oppressed. Again, history tells us this is so. Time to wake up folks. Realize that no one you vote for will do anything to give you liberty or freedoms, the government only takes those. If you want those, you have to take it, usually through means of force.
I am at the point now where I have simply accepted that I am a criminal, I don't give a shit about MMJ laws frankly. They are piss poor, and actually cause more harm to full legalization than good. By allowing the debate to be about "medical value" and "who's getting "MMJ"" advocates have allowed the opposition to control the debate and keep the real issue out of the picture, because they can't possibly defend that position w/ any intellectual integrity. All the while the zombies cheer and applaud that they "won", all the while not realizing that they conceded the big picture. Fuck'em all, I'll be a criminal, the vast majority of the people that should be concerned w/ this issue are misguided and ill-informed, therefore they have no hope of making any progress and will be forever trapped in their own circle doing what they are told to do and believing what they are told to believe. There are probably literally thousands of examples of this here on this site. I will do what I can as an individual which is all any of us can do at this point, and that is, GROW YOUR FUCKING ASS OFF! IF YOU FEEL THE LAW IS UNJUST, IT IS YOUR DUTY TO VIOLATE IT. At this point nothing short of an armed uprising will change the status quo history tells us this.
The answer is not in "the government" nor is it a particular "person". As long as the majority of people in our community continue to believe that "someone" will come along and deliver them from this oppression, you will continue to be oppressed. Again, history tells us this is so. Time to wake up folks. Realize that no one you vote for will do anything to give you liberty or freedoms, the government only takes those. If you want those, you have to take it, usually through means of force.
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IE2KS_KUSH
It may be, but in reality it's exactly what anyone should have expected given all the known information. They aren't doing this to intimidate, they are doing it simply because it is standard operating procedure. Nothing more.
