C5 & A5 crosses

[Chi13]

Curious what peoples thoughts are as to what each of these bring to crosses? I have never grown either of these alone but have grown, or are growing, a few crosses.

I have the ThaiA5 which I'm yet to finish, and had the C5 in other crosses from other breeders. I'm pretty sure Dubi says the A5 is more Colombian and C5 more Thai. So naturally I'm curious as to why pick A5 to cross with Thai rather than C5 for example? Or any other crosses for that matter?

 

[Creeperpark]

Curious what peoples thoughts are as to what each of these bring to crosses? I have never grown either of these alone but have grown, or are growing, a few crosses.

I have the ThaiA5 which I'm yet to finish, and had the C5 in other crosses from other breeders. I'm pretty sure Dubi says the A5 is more Colombian and C5 more Thai. So naturally I'm curious as to why pick A5 to cross with Thai rather than C5 for example? Or any other crosses for that matter?

I don't know friend. Good question.

 

[dubi]

Hi @Chi13, C5 Haze (NL5/HazeC) has been much more widely present in hybrids since the mid-late 90s than A5 Haze (NL5/HazeA) in strains like Jack Herer, Super Silver Haze, Hawaiian Haze, Amnesia Haze, and others. Due to Neville losing the Haze male A very early on, not many Haze hybrids containing Haze A made a significant impact in Haze hybrid history, except perhaps for Neville's Haze. Summing up, A is rarer in this aspect.

Also, as you all know, I'm an incense fanatic in cannabis. Haze is probably the strain in modern cannabis history that made the biggest impact for incensey terpenes. In my experience, growing and smoking the best Haze hybrids from the '90s and original F1 C5 Haze and A5 Haze clones (thanks to @Yo Sammy), it's my understanding that Haze A delivers more loud Colombian incensey terpenes, while Haze C is more citrus-Thai like. Not saying that you cannot find incense in Haze C offspring or citrus terpenes in Haze A offspring, but generally speaking incense is more prevalent in A, and citrus-fruity in C.

As for effects, A offspring is generally more relaxing, calming, and narcotic, while C offspring is more cerebral-up-energetic with lesser body effects....

I hear your question. So, why don't I use C5 Haze more than A5 Haze for breeding if C5 delivers better sativa-quality effects? Well, mainly because at ACE, we have Panama Goddess F10, which consistently breeds better and with less variability in sativa citrus-incensey field than C5 Haze. Goddess offers much better quality, up-cerebral-brighter effects with the same vigor, yield and THC content as C5, with a better flower/leaf ratio and shorter flowering time. Panama Goddess already fulfills the role in our breeding puzzle that C5 Haze could.

For all these reasons, that's why it was much more meaningful for me, in my obsessed quest for more intense and different high-quality types of incensey profiles, to start breeding much more widely with A5 Haze than C5 Haze and produce as many potentially desirable hybrids as possible with A5.

But my job with direct A5 Haze hybrids is almost done, next step in my Haze A breeding would be to combine elite selections of different ACE A5 Haze hybrids. Although, to don't make C5 lovers sad, I'm lately introducing C5 Haze more into some new R+D hybrids.

 

[Sensistar42]

I really gotta try the Panama! seems pretty up beat but more potent to keep the gf interested and happy.

 

[Chi13]

That makes perfect sense. Thanks @dubi and thanks @Yo Sammy. I'm looking forward to finishing the ThaiA5, week 12 so not far off.

From what you are saying I think I need to explore some more of the Panama crosses.
Love the work ACE does. By far my preferred seed bank.

 

[nepalnt21]

@dubi

whoa, that's wild that the panama goddess is considered BETTER in terms of fx than the c5 haze (yo sammy loves the c5, according to him in the pot cast interview).

have you tried pure original haze? is panama goddess up there with exceptional pure hazes (in terms of the high)?

honestly asking, because my search for the best might be very narrowed if panama hybrids are that superior.

i am searching for an experience like a bud that i had probably almost 20 years ago (they called it "death")... a prime specemin that we decided was probably a haze... smelled like lemon pine sol (very dank) and had us floating on clouds, staring at the stars which came to life. smoking white widow later that evening (sadly) BROUGHT DOWN the high.

if panama (supposed to have lemony phenos, right?) is the one, then my search might be over (my silly state doesn't allow a high enough plant count to seriously pheno hunt/ breed... i gotta be efficient).

anyway, thanks for this... i've been digesting haze info for the last couple weeks.

cheers!

 

[dubi]

@nepalnt21, I'm sure if you held a blind contest between C5 Haze and Panama Goddess, the latter would win.

Yes, Panama Goddess is up there with the best Original Hazes, but it has a much shorter flowering period and better yield. Many Panamas can be really intoxicating (especially reddish phenos), but this mother is pure blissful dreamy flight without sedation; a lemony, creamy incense goddess. She is more incensey, with much warmer positive psychoactivity than C5, which is quite intoxicating and cold due to NL5.

Panana Goddess qualities are consitently found in hybrids such as Panama x Bangi Haze, Malawi x Panama fem, and Panama x Malawi.

 

[Sensistar42]

Does the

@nepalnt21, I'm sure if you held a blind contest between C5 Haze and Panama Goddess, the latter would win.

Yes, Panama Goddess is up there with the best Original Hazes, but it has a much shorter flowering period and better yield. Many Panamas can be really intoxicating (especially reddish phenos), but this mother is pure blissful dreamy flight without sedation; a lemony, creamy incense goddess. She is more incensey, with much warmer positive psychoactivity than C5, which is quite intoxicating and cold due to NL5.

Panana Goddess qualities are consitently found in hybrids such as Panama x Bangi Haze, Malawi x Panama fem, and Panama x Malawi.

does the fem packs of the Panama offer this pheno consistently? I haven’t read through the Panama thread yet and it’s been a year or so. a reliable energy up with a good punch would be great with the gf wanting a stronger hit.