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ngakpa

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Are any of the Lao offerings worthwhile?

Maybe I can clear something up that nobody seems to get:

All those Isan landraces were Lao, even back in the 60s.

There is no passport, and ganja and seeds have been crossing the Mekong to and fro for centuries.

The Mekong was the highway then and even now it still is. (There were no decent roads in Isan until Thaksin came along!) It's Lao on both sides!

A big reason the classic ganja of the late 60s and early 70s was grown where it was in Northern Isan was because it was going to Vientiane.

Back then, Vientiane was the big urban centre of that region (Muang Lao).

Places like Udon were tinpot towns by comparison.

Laos wasn't taken over by the commies until 1975.

(That's when Udon became what it is today.)

Before 75, Vientiane was all about fun, sin, whatever - ganja, opium, bar girls etc.

The bar girls in Vientiane were trafficked FROM Isan TO Vientiane.

That was the direction of flow with northern Isan ganja too until Westerners came along.

That's why there were a lot of fields from Si Chiang Mai westwards - a short hop across the river to Vientiane. Also because there were communist guerillas there, so that became a lawless zone where corrupt Thai army etc. could arrange grows.

Also, this thing about throwing buds against the wall until they stick. Anyone believe that?

You could push them against a wall - but throw them?
 

Elmer Bud

Genotype Sex Worker AKA strain whore
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G `day Ngakpa

Do you know much about Hmong Rebels and the CIA in Laos ?
The CIA had an office in Laos near the Mekong .

Also who / where did the Thai sticks come from ?
 

ngakpa

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G `day Ngakpa

Do you know much about Hmong Rebels and the CIA in Laos ?

yes

but the Hmong have nothing to do with ganja

they might grow it a bit these days in some villages, but that's a new thing

the Hmong traditionally grow hemp

I should have some Hmong hemp landraces this year


The CIA had an office in Laos near the Mekong .


Vientiane, the Lao capital, is on the Mekong

the CIA office was in Vientiane, though not especially near the Mekong


Also who / where did the Thai sticks come from ?

any farmer whose wife and other female relatives could face tying thousands of buds onto sticks?
 

Donald Mallard

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eb has a funny idea thai sticks were hard to find in thailand because a gf of his couldnt find any in the 80s in bangkok and never saw any in Phitsonalok ,
i tried to explain she was simply in the wrong place and the wrong time but he didnt like what i was saying i guess ....

im sure they could have outsourced from time to time eb but undoubtedly thai sticks were from thailand mostly , the amount of westerners that visited during the period and relayed their stories cannot be overlooked ,


an example would be how much skunk did u see in Australia , there was plenty of it , but i recall you saying you only saw it once and it wasnt grown in oz anyhow ,
but where i lived there was plenty ,,

wrong place , wrong time is all ,
disregard what that girl said to you man , she had no idea ....
 

ngakpa

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eb has a funny idea thai sticks were hard to find in thailand because a gf of his couldnt find any in the 80s in bangkok and never saw any in Phitsonalok ,
i tried to explain she was simply in the wrong place and the wrong time but he didnt like what i was saying i guess ....

im sure they could have outsourced from time to time eb but undoubtedly thai sticks were from thailand mostly , the amount of westerners that visited during the period and relayed their stories cannot be overlooked ,
....

I'm trying to read between the lines

there's that Alfred McCoy book about the heroin and opium trade and the CIA, and the Hmong - but it's not that well substantiated

there's no question anti-communist Lao generals got involved in the ganja trade

but McCoy's whole theory about the Hmong etc., heroin, and the CIA in Laos isn't that solid afaik

I'm not seeing how this relates to Thai stick either...
 

led05

Chasing The Present
Maybe I can clear something up that nobody seems to get:

All those Isan landraces were Lao, even back in the 60s.

There is no passport, and ganja and seeds have been crossing the Mekong to and fro for centuries.

The Mekong was the highway then and even now it still is. (There were no decent roads in Isan until Thaksin came along!) It's Lao on both sides!

A big reason the classic ganja of the late 60s and early 70s was grown where it was in Northern Isan was because it was going to Vientiane.

Back then, Vientiane was the big urban centre of that region (Muang Lao).

Places like Udon were tinpot towns by comparison.

Laos wasn't taken over by the commies until 1975.

(That's when Udon became what it is today.)

Before 75, Vientiane was all about fun, sin, whatever - ganja, opium, bar girls etc.

The bar girls in Vientiane were trafficked FROM Isan TO Vientiane.

That was the direction of flow with northern Isan ganja too until Westerners came along.

That's why there were a lot of fields from Si Chiang Mai westwards - a short hop across the river to Vientiane. Also because there were communist guerillas there, so that became a lawless zone where corrupt Thai army etc. could arrange grows.

Also, this thing about throwing buds against the wall until they stick. Anyone believe that?

You could push them against a wall - but throw them?

Vientiane #2 recently collected in situ; plants were legit pure looking NLD growing there. There are seeds from like 6-7 different bags; thanks to Laredo journeys..... I popped #2 as it looked most NLD to me of them all when I saw pics....

The older plants are Laos x MHz - seeds from Wally; they’ve been seeded up by 5 - 1990 Ohz males - seeds from Mac via Golli Originally, trying to rid her of any BLD, rid them of herm traits which it seems many Laos carry....
 

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Jayded

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I've got a few of the MMxOSS in veg at mo,plants are a bit all over the place as expected with f2's.
Really like the smells on a few of them,heavy in pine and cedar smells.I'll stick some pics up soon.
 

Jayded

Member
Is a pain not being able to edit posts,need to get my post count up above 50.As can see there's a couple of spider type plants in there,another started off life as a trifoliate but only put out decent brancing in 1 of them on each node until topped.Hopefully the strong scents on a few of them doesn't indicate males but should start seeing sex soon as tops are getting some alternating branching
 

Jayded

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Looks like i'm gonna have to make some tough decisions with these plants!Looks like all but 1 of them is a girl and even that 1 could still be a fem.
Hopefully I can squeeze 6 of them in but with the fact half of them want to grow outward instead of upward that will get tricky and will prob end up with 5 in there
The big plant,back row centre will be chopped but really struggling with the others,will be keeping the back row right girl and front row left and right but rest i'm not sure about
 

RoyalFlush

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$20 or $50 is to cheap
If you want cheap seeds they are everywhere.
This is some special genetics and worth at least $100 a pack, if you cant afford that then save up or chip in with friends.

I have Neville's whole line and will be releasing them in F2's and hybrids in 2020 at my usual price and its not to cash in but to spread the genetics. Any real Haze head who has been around the boards for years il send them for FREE

It's almost mid 2020, are you still going to release them in F2's?
 

Ur Humbl Nr8tor

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phenotypic plasticity is a really crucial and underappreciated aspect of Cannabis

morphology in fact does change hugely depending on conditions, e.g. leaflet width, height, branching, leaf size, and so can the terpene profile (if not the cannabinoid ratio)

everyone knows good genetics are essential

but far fewer people appreciate how crucial phenotypic plasticity is, a notable exception being people who've worked with a single strain for many harvests and "dialed it in"

in fact, the whole bullshit idea of a C. ruderalis species is based on overlooking phenotypic plasticity... dwarf plants from Siberia were dwarf because of extreme conditions

as a strain-based example, Lebanese grown out in humid tropical conditions shows ultra narrow leaflets, whereas in dry high altitude conditions it looks much more "Indica"

alleged ultra-long flowering Sativas are a lot to do with people growing in indoor conditions with lower light intensity and overwatered overfed plants

the best charas is grown at high altitude, where terpene profiles change, and morphology appears more Indica (leading to daft claims about different strains being used high up in the Himalaya)

quality is hugely affected by terroir and technique in Cannabis

same is true of other aromatic crops like tea - take a Ching Shin Oolong cultivar to Nantou County in Taiwan and you get some of the most expensive tea in the world, with terpenes, amino acids, sugars etc. off the charts

take it to northern Thailand, you get pretty mediocre tea that fetches a fraction of the price, and has a fraction of the aromatic content

terroir (and technique) are absolutely crucial

2p, but genes don't necessarily stay the same - there could be epigenetic change, change in gene expression involved in phenotypic plasticity

Absolutely bought into what you guys are saying with recent proof. Malawi Haze. Same plant. First pic root bound in a 1 gallon pot being fed liquid fertilizer and a couple miles from the coast.

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Same plant after a few weeks transplant in it’s forever home with mild organic soil. Surrounded by citrus and avocados. 20 miles inland.

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Jayded

Member
A few pics,i left them in small pots a bit too long but are all starting to green up since re-potting.
I must of been pretty stoned last night when made choice of what had to be taken out,plant bottom right was supposed to be 1 of the 3 to get the chop!
The ka5 in there should be quite easy to spot
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Jayded

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Plant in centre has been chopped,balls have shown.Luckily i hadn't got rid of a couple of the plants i took out so have replaced him with another mm/oss and a ka5
Am quite pleased as the male was a pain to grow as didn't want to grow vertically and was already taking up too much floor space in there.
Just in case anyone thought it was a herm,it wasn't.I mis-read the early signs of sex as fem.
Another male has showed up(top row centre) but i'll leave him in there for a couple of weeks before i take him out as would like to collect some pollen from him.He has a very strong smell of cedar and oregano and the plant that has stood out to me from this run.Other 4 are all 100% females with 1 that has some normal 2 branch nodes and a couple with up to 4 at each node.
 
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Jayded

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Male top row was indeed a hermie with balls and hairs everywhere!
Others are all looking stable so far.
Hopefully stretch will ease up soon on the girl back right as only have a couple more inches before lights will be at top of the tent.
 

ojd

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Yes i will offer some F2's but much later in the year.

Alof of the seeds i recieved are Fems Neville made so cant F2 those and only offer hybrids which i have made and already offer

Mullumbimby Madness x Nevil Haze 21 x Casey Jones clone Reversed( Austrailian Dead Head)

Mullumbimby Madness x Nevil Haze 21 x Super silver chemdog Haze male( Reservoir seeds
,( Dangerous dog)

Outback Haze x my OG kush dom Male
( Outback OG)

Swiss Thai/Nevil x my OG Kush dom Male
( Neville The OG)

Im working through more seeds now including Nevil Haze F2 made by Neville
also

Mullumbimby
Madness x Kangativas 04 Male

Nevil Haze x kariba

Nevil Haze x Oaxacan

Nevil Haze x Mullumbimby Madness

This project will take years to complete but il release things along the way ad they are made

Any long standing Haze head from this website can have seeds at half price and FREE if they want to run a journal on this website .
il also be looking for testers for future X's i make with the latter list at the end of the year
It's almost mid 2020, are you still going to release them in F2's?
 

ojd

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I will also send in a bunch of FREE packs for the server fund for anyone to check out and contribute to the website
And if anyone is interested in any of these seeds pm me and il send some into seedbay so you can purchase them.
 

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