Bud safe treatment?

[deadhead77]

Hey, i read a lot of posts this forum and others asking if certain products work or can be used up until day of harvest for pests/disease. That seems to be difficult to get a straight answer. Not that anyone is being shady but it seems like a lot of different opinions and it's difficult to concluded. So ill ask does anyone know of a product or home remedy that they have used say a week or less until harvest? I have a slight PM issue. I found it on the inside of the windows. Its been raining here for like a month straight. So i believe that is how it got in. I have a sealed room. I have large plants and im not adverse to wiping every leaf with a safe funcicide if there is no safe funcicide to spray. I worry that it would easily leave a taste in the bud. I dont want to put a few mo ths effort in and then have bad tasting bud in the end.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Pm on the inside of the windows, yet not on the plants?

I would increase airflow, making sure all areas of every plant is being ruffled by the wind. Watch your humidity and the plants. Personally, I never spray anything during flower, not even water. Pristine flowers are my goal.

The use of HEPA class air filters will prevent the majority of spores from getting into your grow area. Also kicks the quality up a good couple notches, since it also removes dust/pollen/lint/bear-hair/duck-dander and whatnot.

Were they still in veg, I would recommend non-fat powdered milk sprays. Apparently, when the plants are healthy enough, repeated sprays will boost the immune system of the plant. The plants become strong enough to kill off the internal pm themselves.

No idea what to do while in flower, sorry.

 

[deadhead77]

Pm on the inside of the windows, yet not on the plants?

I would increase airflow, making sure all areas of every plant is being ruffled by the wind. Watch your humidity and the plants. Personally, I never spray anything during flower, not even water. Pristine flowers are my goal.

The use of HEPA class air filters will prevent the majority of spores from getting into your grow area. Also kicks the quality up a good couple notches, since it also removes dust/pollen/lint/bear-hair/duck-dander and whatnot.

Were they still in veg, I would recommend non-fat powdered milk sprays. Apparently, when the plants are healthy enough, repeated sprays will boost the immune system of the plant. The plants become strong enough to kill off the internal pm themselves.

No idea what to do while in flower, sorry.

Hey! Great thanks, cool. Correct me if im wrong but isnt the fat in milk important to fight PM? I dont have enough knowledge to say it is PM on the windows (windows are covered with many layers of panda film) but i found what looks like mycillium on the inside when i found it on other windows in the house, like i said its rained everyday for a month. I also found it on the plants. Really only on my headband which is interesting because ive heard ive heard its very resistant. And not much either spot treatment has worked but takes a long time to complete.

 

[stoney917]

Prokure, i hear some places spraying dried pm flower n passing lab tests...

 

[PdxFarms]

Green cleaner

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

The fat in the milk will spoil and make for bad tastes and smell. No idea what the powdered would smell/taste like, I'd still want to wash it off.

 

[deadhead77]

Prokure, i hear some places spraying dried pm flower n passing lab tests...

Wow, i feel like these products exist. Thats why im asking. Is there anying else you can tell me about the product prokure. I poked around their site and wasnt sure which product

 

[deadhead77]

The fat in the milk will spoil and make for bad tastes and smell. No idea what the powdered would smell/taste like, I'd still want to wash it off.

jeez that is great advise, thank you. I am currently cultivating lactobacillous which will contain milk so i will definitely use that. Ive read about a product called Cease. It is a biofungicide that says it can be sprayed late into flower. Im interested in the natural ways of fighting Pm. I feel there really is not enough info on it. Theres kinda bandaide approaches but i feel the bigger and or older growers have a lot of knowledge about this that isnt heavily passed around. I came across some myself a little while ago and it astounded me because i never see that type of info anywhere. Anyone else know what im sayin?

 

[deadhead77]

Green cleaner

I dont think GC can be sprayed that late into flower maybe week 6 but not after that. Could be wrong but i wouldnt do it

 

[eric2028]

I second the green cleaner. It can be used through harvest(per label). Also green cure works very well in bloom. Green cure will burn your pistols a bit tho at 1.5 tablespoons/gal. Jms stylet oil also works great in flower. Jms will also burn pistils when ran at 1.5 ozs/gallon. I use both but at lower doses to keep pm gone.

 

[DocTim420]

Here are a couple of threads using milk as a fungicide.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=294171
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=340374

I am not in the powdered milk camp...but in the "non pasteurized" fresh milk camp (bonus levels of goodness including bacteria). In my experiences, milk "fat" is not the fungicide action--rather it is the germicide properties (salts and amino acids) found in "fresh milk".

Cow milk may have more than one mode of action in controlling zucchini squash powdery mildew. Fresh milk may have a direct effect against S. fuliginea due to its germicidal properties (Salle, 1954). Milk contains several salts and amino-acids (Martins Filho, 1987). These substances have been shown to be effective in controlling powdery mildew and other diseases (Reuveni et al, 1993/1995; Mucharromah and Kuc, 1991; Titone et al, 1997; Pasini et al, 1997).

Source: http://www.agrar.de/agenda/bettiol.htm

That study is a good one to read and presents results of different milk/water ratio solutions--with 50/50 besting chemical fungicides.

In the past I started with 50/50 (milk/water) solution and ratcheted the milk down 10% for each successive spray (40/60, 30/70, 20/80) until I got to 10/90. Then continue spraying 10% milk until harvest. As I stated in my earlier post in the above threads, spray until the plant is dripping and milk seems to help the buds damaged by PM to recover and look "vibrant" again. Adding some Serenade also helps...btw, the "raw milk" seems to reduce the dirty diaper smell of Serenade. I made a DIY spray booth--shower curtain from the dollar store with towels on the floor--I would not spray in the "flower room", as the milk overspray will become quite odorous over time.

Good luck man! I have been there, and done it.

 

[deadhead77]

Here are a couple of threads using milk as a fungicide.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=294171
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=340374

I am not in the powdered milk camp...but in the "non pasteurized" fresh milk camp (bonus levels of goodness including bacteria). In my experiences, milk "fat" is not the fungicide action--rather it is the germicide properties (salts and amino acids) found in "fresh milk".



Source: https://www.agrar.de/agenda/bettiol.htm

That study is a good one to read and presents results of different milk/water ratio solutions--with 50/50 besting chemical fungicides.

In the past I started with 50/50 (milk/water) solution and ratcheted the milk down 10% for each successive spray (40/60, 30/70, 20/80) until I got to 10/90. Then continue spraying 10% milk until harvest. As I stated in my earlier post in the above threads, spray until the plant is dripping and milk seems to help the buds damaged by PM to recover and look "vibrant" again. Adding some Serenade also helps...btw, the "raw milk" seems to reduce the dirty diaper smell of Serenade. I made a DIY spray booth--shower curtain from the dollar store with towels on the floor--I would not spray in the "flower room", as the milk overspray will become quite odorous over time.

Good luck man! I have been there, and done it.

Thanks for the excellent info. One thing im having trouble understanding. Ive always understood that spraying anything on the buds is not good(although i may be currently learning that is not so true?). Ive sprayed up until week 6 before but never past that. I was given a packet of bacillus subtillus and told by the trusted friend i can and should spray the buds all the way up until harvest. Turned out well so far the past week. Ive sucessfully made lactobacillus subtillus and sprayed that on a few plants to test in which i have not smelled any residue on the buds- they are in week 6- although i know smelling buds abd snoking them are different things. I worry the bud will absorb the foliar treatments im using. So i know in your previous post you said to get nonfat milk i believe bevause the fat wil smell. Is it possible to have nonfat raw milk? I know your last post said raw milk is great on the buds i just am very concerned about damaging the taste and aroma of the buds. Thanks

 

[deadhead77]

Green cleaner

Thanks good thing ihave a large bottle of it. I do like it...kinda

 

[deadhead77]

Prokure, i hear some places spraying dried pm flower n passing lab tests...

I bought a bunch of seeds. I want to shut down for a few weeks to start fresh. There are a lot of parts to my grow. Vents,wood,fans, bit of a maze of panda to walk through. It seems prokure can be placed in the room to disenfect it. Anyone confirm the effectiveness? I used physan 20 before to steralize a room, maybe i didnt use it right but i dont think it fully worked. I dint know. Id like to start frest. I have an unused tent and a hepa so if i can get all the equipment sterilized

 

[Chunkypigs]

milk doesn't hurt taste but is best used before things get out of hand, it's a better preventative than killer.

Potassium Bicarbonate at 1 tsp per quart with a tsp of veg oil and small amount of liquid soap as a sticker works really well sprayed or even brushed on in a small grow, works to kill pm well.
it's the active in a couple of the Green cure type products and is available cheap in homebrew stores or online.

healthy soil and ACT foliar weekly have been working well for me as a preventative for bugs and PM.
I don't filter it much, just a stainless strainer, so I have not tried spraying during flower yet because I don't want to smoke worm poop but honestly I doubt that it would hurt you.

when you start using tea as a foliar you might get scared by the crud you see deposited on the leaves and think that it's bug waste.
I put bug waste in my ACT on purpose, insect frass, it's like worm castings and they don't seem to dissolve completely but they have special compounds in them that help your plant resist live bugs, PM and budrot.

it's important to spray regularly to keep the new leaf surfaces colonized as it grows.

people who have to get their weed tested have been talking about avoiding ACT foliar in flower with worries of bacteria levels in the testing.

EM-1 is a product you can multiply like worm castings by bubbling with molasses that's filled with benes that colonize the leaf surface leaving no real estate for the bad guys we want to avoid. I've been adding this and insect frass to my ACT.

I've smoked plenty of pm and bugs in my day and if you were around in the 70's there were times when the weed was mouldy as fuck but smoke it we did.

protein in my cookies.

tastes like chicken

 

[deadhead77]

milk doesn't hurt taste but is best used before things get out of hand, it's a better preventative than killer.

Potassium Bicarbonate at 1 tsp per quart with a tsp of veg oil and small amount of liquid soap as a sticker works really well sprayed or even brushed on in a small grow, works to kill pm well.
it's the active in a couple of the Green cure type products and is available cheap in homebrew stores or online.

healthy soil and ACT foliar weekly have been working well for me as a preventative for bugs and PM.
I don't filter it much, just a stainless strainer, so I have not tried spraying during flower yet because I don't want to smoke worm poop but honestly I doubt that it would hurt you.

when you start using tea as a foliar you might get scared by the crud you see deposited on the leaves and think that it's bug waste.
I put bug waste in my ACT on purpose, insect frass, it's like worm castings and they don't seem to dissolve completely but they have special compounds in them that help your plant resist live bugs, PM and budrot.

it's important to spray regularly to keep the new leaf surfaces colonized as it grows.

people who have to get their weed tested have been talking about avoiding ACT foliar in flower with worries of bacteria levels in the testing.

EM-1 is a product you can multiply like worm castings by bubbling with molasses that's filled with benes that colonize the leaf surface leaving no real estate for the bad guys we want to avoid. I've been adding this and insect frass to my ACT.
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I've smoked plenty of pm and bugs in my day and if you were around in the 70's there were times when the weed was mouldy as fuck but smoke it we did.

protein in my cookies.
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tastes like chicken
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Haha I like your style. I wasnt around yet in the 70's. I didnt first smoke until 98 lol guess i have a few decades of catching up to do. I learned a lot right there. So the guy in the post before said he has a special area to spray milk bevause he doesbt want his grow area to smell. What is it about a bud thay apparently breaks down milk?
The potassium bicarb i was using. I guess i was using it right. I just put enough in to raise the ph to 8.3 with a coco wetting agent. I didnt add oil. I can try that. The bacillous powder i was given has done the best. I did not know i could multiply it. I do aact with other bennies but i did not see as big a response as with the BS powder. Im trying to use an integrated management system so i dont want to use greencure or pot. Bicarb becaus i believe they will kill bennies on the leaf. i have sprayed some otber EM which seems to be doing good i just cut brewing it in a tea bevause i dont want ewc and molasses on my buds. Im still not clear on milk. Does it need to be organic to not affect taste smell. How can it smell in one place but just not on buds to affect taste...?

 

[deadhead77]

The insect frass ive heard excellent things about . i forgot to get around to that.

 

[Medfinder]

Potassium bicarbonate
http://www.betriebsmittelliste.ch/f...llungnahmen/potassium_bicarbonate_organic.pdf

 

[DocTim420]

Thanks for the excellent info. One thing im having trouble understanding. Ive always understood that spraying anything on the buds is not good(although i may be currently learning that is not so true?). Ive sprayed up until week 6 before but never past that. I was given a packet of bacillus subtillus and told by the trusted friend i can and should spray the buds all the way up until harvest. Turned out well so far the past week. Ive sucessfully made lactobacillus subtillus and sprayed that on a few plants to test in which i have not smelled any residue on the buds- they are in week 6- although i know smelling buds abd snoking them are different things. I worry the bud will absorb the foliar treatments im using. So i know in your previous post you said to get nonfat milk i believe bevause the fat wil smell. Is it possible to have nonfat raw milk? I know your last post said raw milk is great on the buds i just am very concerned about damaging the taste and aroma of the buds. Thanks

So here's the deal. Milk is mostly water (87%) and diluting further (50/50) you really have a mixture that is basically water with a smidgen of protein, milk sugar (lactose), vitamins and enzymes.

From experience (I know it sounds nuts to spray them a week or even days before harvest) buds treated with bicarbonates in my garden always showed a bit of "damage". You know, that tired, brownish appearance with burnt hairs and blotches on the leaves. Hard to market schwag.

After spraying with a milk/water solution (without going the bicarbonate route), the PM disappeared and the buds appeared to perk up, as if the goodness of the milk (protein, lactose, vitamins, enzymes, etc) resuscitated some life back into them a bit. Not saying they will heal all wounds, but they looked a helluva lot better and showed zero PM after everything was said and done.

Taste, aroma, flavor....I could not detect any negative nuance, and my nose is very, very good at detecting and distinguishing aromas (an infliction I developed as a result of being a connoisseur of fine wines for many decades).

Hope this helps!

 

[deadhead77]

So here's the deal. Milk is mostly water (87%) and diluting further (50/50) you really have a mixture that is basically water with a smidgen of protein, milk sugar (lactose), vitamins and enzymes.

From experience (I know it sounds nuts to spray them a week or even days before harvest) buds treated with bicarbonates in my garden always showed a bit of "damage". You know, that tired, brownish appearance with burnt hairs and blotches on the leaves. Hard to market schwag.

After spraying with a milk/water solution (without going the bicarbonate route), the PM disappeared and the buds appeared to perk up, as if the goodness of the milk (protein, lactose, vitamins, enzymes, etc) resuscitated some life back into them a bit. Not saying they will heal all wounds, but they looked a helluva lot better and showed zero PM after everything was said and done.

Taste, aroma, flavor....I could not detect any negative nuance, and my nose is very, very good at detecting and distinguishing aromas (an infliction I developed as a result of being a connoisseur of fine wines for many decades).

Hope this helps!

Doctim you are the man. Thank you for clearing that up. Theres is no doubt that spraying milk on buds sounds crazy (ive had PM in the past long ago i just wiped it off, it would show up days later but did not take over the plants) i think im understanding. It sounds like the things that are in the lactobacillus has maybe a concentrated*? Version of the bbenefits in milk. Regardless i am going to spray milk on a few of them to see what does better for me. I asked my gf where i can get raw milk around here. She suggested i find a cow and just try to milk haha...im a city boy lol thats not happening but ill stop by the co-op and see if tgey have some. Thank you