Bubble hash from bud rot?

[Huey69]

Hey everyone,
I have some Sprung bags on there way here, so I'll be making some wonderful bubble hash soon. I have quite a bit of bud that was affected by bud rot and was wondering if I can make bubble hash out of it? Would the spores from the bud rot transfer into the hash (or possible only into certain screens)?

Thanks.

 

[ButteredIt]

consider it gone. it's not worth your health... there will always be more buds.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hey everyone,
I have some Sprung bags on there way here, so I'll be making some wonderful bubble hash soon. I have quite a bit of bud that was affected by bud rot and was wondering if I can make bubble hash out of it? Would the spores from the bud rot transfer into the hash (or possible only into certain screens)?

Thanks.

The spores and toxic byproducts are smaller than 25 microns, so they can be reduced in the hash by flushing while still in the filter, but you are unlikely to get to zero.

Sometimes you just have to try something to see what happens.

By request, I extracted BHO from mildly bud rotted material and the person that I extracted it for reported that it had an objectionable taste.

After considering a couple alcohol, water, hexane washes and separations, with and without activated charcoal, the person that I extracted it for followed my original advice and pitched it.

Without being able to measure what is and is not there, I won't personally use it and I certainly can't pass it on to other patients.

I also won't extract anymore for anyone else to try until I know what the biproducts are in it.

GW

 

[hanuman]

One of the positive aspects of water extraction is that all the crap floats on the surface of the water and only the trichomes sink to the bottom, so logically, the spores and such should remain on top while the goodies go through the filters.

I happen to have a certain amount of moldy buds to play with, I'm going to give it a go one of these days and I'll let you know what happens. That's if I'm still alive of course



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[NotGuilty]

hanuman, eventually whatever is at the bottom of the water MUST break the surface of the water............ Therefore you will have nasties in your bubble. TOSS IT!

 

[Huey69]

If I do test this, and discover that the mold has passed to the hash, would I still be able to make edibles with it? Would the heat kill the spores?

And I've made Iso oil with moldy buds, was strong but it did have an odd smell/taste. I believe my we made edibles with that oil.

Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it. I can't wait until my bags get here!

 

[Gray Wolf]

If I do test this, and discover that the mold has passed to the hash, would I still be able to make edibles with it? Would the heat kill the spores?

And I've made Iso oil with moldy buds, was strong but it did have an odd smell/taste. I believe my we made edibles with that oil.

Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it. I can't wait until my bags get here!

No question the spores can be killed with heat, but any toxins they have introduced into the mixture would probably not be at any temperatures safe to process cananbis oil at without destroying it also.

GW

 

[Ryu]

Thanks for that detail Gray Wolf, I had not considered toxins the spores could produce, just the spores themselves. I am not a scientist but my general knowledge has shot through the roof while trying to keep up with you oil efficianardos. Much respect, its most enjoyable to follow the paths you laid out for us.

But rot is one of the few things I have never had beyond 1 random plant but I was given a couple small plants of moldy and mite covered white widow material from a grower friend and asked if I could do anything with it. We made half into iso oil and half into bho and ended up running some more of his cured stash to compare with it.

We could tell the difference between the moldy and non moldy BHO no problems, much cloudier/darker but the iso versions tasted and smelled the same, apart from a slight difference in strength as the moldy plant was chopped a couple weeks early.

I did try an iso wash of the moldy bud BHO and got another similar indifferent iso oil, same with the non moldy bud BHO and again, generic iso oil.
The other thing we noticed is the smoke from WW iso doesn't make his dog sneeze but smoke from the WW BHO does - to confirm, all weed makes the mut sneeze, just not iso oil smoke. Iso has to be stripping, irreversibly way more terpenes than bho?
The dog test still makes me smile

It's a crude test I know but do you think it is possible that the iso and heat kill spores AND any toxins left behind, it's pretty brutal on organic matter. Apologies if my learning scientific mind doesn't have a grasp of how toxins work yet. I have way more stupid questions I have resisted in asking

Your closed butane system is damn impressive too dude, not having somewhere to do butane easily/safely and having to generally stick to generic iso - that blew me away, I have read it many times.

I have 50+ cans of newport and a double okief tube only used once but still ain't grown the balls to try that one yet, even though I believe I understand it now.

I would love to be able to do a butane wash on some iso to test the final result but apart from making a tiny tube and spraying through iso oil covered coffee filters/cotton wool, everything must be outside too long. I only have privacy inside unless I travel out of town and I don't want to get caught in a car with manufacturing equipment, however small scale it is.

 

[NotGuilty]

Ryu make a thread and i will help answer those questions, so will the others I'm sure.

There is a thread about moldy BHO (Moldy BHO). The starter weed was moldy and after time, (2 months?), the spores grew mold in the Vial in the fridge. There is no record of ISO oil doing this ever. The Iso will kill spores Inactive, butane will not. Mold spore destruction by cold temp is not really a good way, as the BHO shows us. Freezing pot to kill mold = ineffective, yet often reccomended. The spores are inactive while frozen but can grow when brought back to room temp and suitable humidity (lungs make a nice home). Also the Mycellium sp?, are water soluble and will dissolve into the iso solution reducing potency by de-concentration of cannabinoids.

 

[fyahfohigha]

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[hanuman]

hanuman, eventually whatever is at the bottom of the water MUST break the surface of the water............ Therefore you will have nasties in your bubble. TOSS IT!

I think the floating spores and such crap would be strained away with the veg matter.


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[backwoodburner]

I think the floating spores and such crap would be strained away with the veg matter.


h

I was kinda thinking the same thing

 

[Ryu]

Cheers NG, found the thread. Good info in it so I added to instead of starting a new one.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=144922

 

[NotGuilty]

I would like to see you show me how you get the trichomes from the bottom of the water out without touching the top. A seperatory funnel design would work but not really used.

Say your working in a 5 gal bucket with bags.......... trichs on bottom mold on top.... When you pull out the top bag with the leaf and mold, not all the mold will come out. Not even half. That stuffs flowing through those 1xx micron holes back into the water. Then pull out the 73 bag and the spores floating on top will be picked up in the hash. Sure some will pass through but not all.

 

[Chamba]

Don't try to make hash out of any moldy material, simply cut it out, toss it and run the non-moldy parts of the bud.

I have some Sprung bags on there way here, so I'll be making some wonderful bubble hash soon.

no, you won't be making Bubble hash, you'll be making Sprung hash..lol

 

[KUSHEATER1]

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