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browning pistils early?
- Thread starter gimmedirizzla
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Talonted
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No just water with 6.3 untill it comes out around the same. what 3d dreams said
gimmedirizzla
Member
ok guys thanks a lot
although my question was just theoretical i ll do as you say and hopefully i get them corrected
happy new year to all of you
gimmedirizzla
Member
hello ic
i feed them yesterday with ph of 6.3 and it still came out 6.9 - 7.1
Following the seed bank instructions its 3 more weeks (6-7 waterings)
Trichromes are still clear at least the majority of them.
Most of the old fan leafs are gone. the rest remain yellow at the ends
i have a feeling that my soil cant buffer anymore
What should i do?
should i flush with lots of ph water and then feed them nutrients or is it to late?
i feed them yesterday with ph of 6.3 and it still came out 6.9 - 7.1
Following the seed bank instructions its 3 more weeks (6-7 waterings)
Trichromes are still clear at least the majority of them.
Most of the old fan leafs are gone. the rest remain yellow at the ends
i have a feeling that my soil cant buffer anymore
What should i do?
should i flush with lots of ph water and then feed them nutrients or is it to late?
gimmedirizzla
Member
Hey Talonted
you mean?
1. plain water with slight addition of molasses and then ph to 6.3 OR
2. plain water with slight addition of molasses and nutrient mix (as biobizz feeding chart suggests) and then ph to 6.3
Sorry for being too insistent about it. Thanks for the help
you mean?
1. plain water with slight addition of molasses and then ph to 6.3 OR
2. plain water with slight addition of molasses and nutrient mix (as biobizz feeding chart suggests) and then ph to 6.3
Sorry for being too insistent about it. Thanks for the help
gimmedirizzla
Member
hey 3dDream
you mean water them continuously with lots of water in one time?
or water them and wait a couple of weeks for the ph to adjust to what i give them?
i think i haven't got that right.
Talonted
Active member
water with small amount of molasses on a monday with a ph of 6.3, Wednesday come back and do just water, then friday or sat water again. if you run too much water through each time there wont be any o2 in the root zone. I use 20gal pots and water 2gal every other day.
what day of flower are you in ????
what day of flower are you in ????
gimmedirizzla
Member
Thanks for the reply Talonted
Ive realized that today is day 51 and i have an early flowering strain (fruit spirit 7 weeks) that haven't been flushed yet.
Last time i checked her 5 days ago there was 30/70 clear/cloudy ratio. I will feed her just water for another week if possible otherwise this is the last watering.
Apart from that i think the ^schedule^ you advise me to do is going to work for the troubled white widow plants.
I don't over water either i use 6lt - 8 lt of water for 77 lt of soil every 3-4 days. The last two times had to check the runoff that's why i over watered.
fingers crossed for first harvest ever
Ive realized that today is day 51 and i have an early flowering strain (fruit spirit 7 weeks) that haven't been flushed yet.
Last time i checked her 5 days ago there was 30/70 clear/cloudy ratio. I will feed her just water for another week if possible otherwise this is the last watering.
Apart from that i think the ^schedule^ you advise me to do is going to work for the troubled white widow plants.
I don't over water either i use 6lt - 8 lt of water for 77 lt of soil every 3-4 days. The last two times had to check the runoff that's why i over watered.
fingers crossed for first harvest ever
gimmedirizzla
Member
Hey Mikron thanks for passing by
I ve read many growers complaining about that and i think it might be true.
Some even use 5ml/lt instead of 1ml/lt as biobizz suggests for Bio-Grow.
In my case the nutrients might be there i don't know because my ph is still off. One think is for sure i don't want to feed up to the last week.
I ve heard that organics don't different a lot when flushed or not
I have to finish those bottles to decide if good or not.
Talonted
Active member
In flower biobizz's schedule calls to use 4ml per liter of grow, 4ml of heaven and 4ml of topmax because its not an A+B formula. Each bottle is like a piece of the puzzle. so if its only 25ml of say bloom you are only giving it fraction of what you should be. You do use alot and yes it is expensive but it works and they produce far more essential oils rather than when using nutes.
Here is a larger discussion focused on results https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5423538&postcount=44
Ive got blueberry and blue diesel at 8 weeks right now and they are still mostly dark green in 20gal pots running at 60% of what their schedule says and using Aerated Compst Tea containing molasses, mycorhizae, and earthworm casting twice in the flower cycle.
In 2010 i have a post where i was talking about biobizz and i was using it in conjuction with other manufacturers and i always ran into a problem with yellowing. read that link it covers enough!! cheers
gimmedirizzla
Member
That was an excellent post Talonted. Told me everything i needed to know until i decide whether or not to continue using Biobizz
Im pretty sure that the 2012 feeding chart booklet ive got suggests for week 8
4ml/lt bloom
5ml/lt heaven
4ml/lt topmax
4mlt/lt algamic
1ml/lt grow
and these are for All-mix
Ok a little update
I did just water with 6.3 ph the 2 fruit spirit (98/2 cloudy/amber) and the 3 Critical (20/80 clear/amber).
It could be another full week even more for fruit spirit and 2 weeks for critical.
And i fed the white widows (90/10 clear/cloudy) with half the amount of nutrients again to 6.3. Many new pistils appeared so i guess it could be another 3 weeks max. This was the last time i fed.
The runoff of all came close to 6.8-6.9 and for sure they haven't died yet maybe looking a bit better from the last two feeds.
From the biobizz "collection" i dont use fish and root.
For root ive used Plangron Power Roots.
I have folliar fed with algamic 1-2 ml /lt twice in the past and they loved it.
To be honest i didnt like that old vagina thing you mentioned.
Ps: The fruit spirit makes my eyes water. Cant wait
Im pretty sure that the 2012 feeding chart booklet ive got suggests for week 8
4ml/lt bloom
5ml/lt heaven
4ml/lt topmax
4mlt/lt algamic
1ml/lt grow
and these are for All-mix
Ok a little update
I did just water with 6.3 ph the 2 fruit spirit (98/2 cloudy/amber) and the 3 Critical (20/80 clear/amber).
It could be another full week even more for fruit spirit and 2 weeks for critical.
And i fed the white widows (90/10 clear/cloudy) with half the amount of nutrients again to 6.3. Many new pistils appeared so i guess it could be another 3 weeks max. This was the last time i fed.
The runoff of all came close to 6.8-6.9 and for sure they haven't died yet maybe looking a bit better from the last two feeds.
From the biobizz "collection" i dont use fish and root.
For root ive used Plangron Power Roots.
I have folliar fed with algamic 1-2 ml /lt twice in the past and they loved it.
To be honest i didnt like that old vagina thing you mentioned.
Ps: The fruit spirit makes my eyes water. Cant wait
gimmedirizzla
Member
Also you may find that odd but i cant get any molasses. They don't even know was it is at the stores. I used to eat it when i was studying abroad. Is there anything else that i could use?
Talonted
Active member
its not all that important using molasses. Its just a light dose of food really, it has alot of great trace minerals and imo it sweetens things up a bit. You should find it close or next to maple syrup in the grocery store!! If you are only 2 weeks away and they are still stressed i would half dose or quater of topmax, bloom and a smidgen of grow. But you mention you have new pistil growth so fill a jug of water, let it sit for a couple hours then feed at 6.3ph two times over the next 5 days then flush
I apologize for that, it wasn't really necessary. What i meant to say is that fishmix contains a fairly loud aroma
But really it truly is amazing stuff! I put 1ml of fish and 1ml of heaven in 1lt of water then foliar them in the night cycle once a week in veg and for the first 2 weeks of transition into flower.
PS; Edited original comment in the other thread.
I apologize for that, it wasn't really necessary. What i meant to say is that fishmix contains a fairly loud aroma
But really it truly is amazing stuff! I put 1ml of fish and 1ml of heaven in 1lt of water then foliar them in the night cycle once a week in veg and for the first 2 weeks of transition into flower.PS; Edited original comment in the other thread.
gimmedirizzla
Member
Sorry i had to leave for a couple of days.
In a few hours i am going to check again for trichrome color and feed / water accordingly or even chop.
I will update asap
Its nowhere to be found my friend. Organic Honey, untreated raw Kane brown sugar, glucose syrup are only available to me right now. People in my country are not familiar with anything except honey in terms of "natural syrups"
I also decided to flush for a weak.. after a small sample that accidentally came off
which burned and smelled fine. Actually it might be true that organics require less flushing
the ph should be just a bit off by now.. In a few hours i will know for sure.
In a few hours i am going to check again for trichrome color and feed / water accordingly or even chop.
I will update asap
Its nowhere to be found my friend. Organic Honey, untreated raw Kane brown sugar, glucose syrup are only available to me right now. People in my country are not familiar with anything except honey in terms of "natural syrups"
I also decided to flush for a weak.. after a small sample that accidentally came off
which burned and smelled fine. Actually it might be true that organics require less flushingthe ph should be just a bit off by now.. In a few hours i will know for sure.
gimmedirizzla
Member
Update
Update
Hello This is a little photo update so you can tell me what you think. I checked the trichromes with my 100x microscope (which is frustrating) and none is of them is ready yet so i continue feeding half dose at 6.3 ph and keep checking regularly. This concerns the white widows which are shown below. The criticals and fruit spirits should be ready in a while (iam not experienced enough to know) so i flush them already How long does it take from cloudy to amber? Anyway here are the photos of the "naked" Widows
and this is the dwarf fruit spirit 12/12 from clone almost ready
Update
Hello This is a little photo update so you can tell me what you think. I checked the trichromes with my 100x microscope (which is frustrating) and none is of them is ready yet so i continue feeding half dose at 6.3 ph and keep checking regularly. This concerns the white widows which are shown below. The criticals and fruit spirits should be ready in a while (iam not experienced enough to know) so i flush them already How long does it take from cloudy to amber? Anyway here are the photos of the "naked" Widows
Talonted
Active member
It has been said that you dont need to flush organics but i believe it to be an important part of the ripening process so i flush either way just not as much. Biobizz doesnt burn like crap if not flushed properly, its usually residuals caused from salts left in the plant that turn your ash black.
The transition of maturity in the trichomes depends, i like indica dominant hybrids and they seem to turn rather quickly from cloudy to amber. I would say when you see 50% cloudy, check twice as often in the next 6-8 days untill mostly cloudy and partly amber. Its personal preference as to when you chop but i like 50cloud 50 amber
The transition of maturity in the trichomes depends, i like indica dominant hybrids and they seem to turn rather quickly from cloudy to amber. I would say when you see 50% cloudy, check twice as often in the next 6-8 days untill mostly cloudy and partly amber. Its personal preference as to when you chop but i like 50cloud 50 amber
gimmedirizzla
Member
Thanks for the reply Talonted
Im going to chop tomorrow even with not the proper flush
there are exactly at that point even a bit more.
Had to wait for the flush and carried away.
hope didn't meshed up the trichromes
will update when the first sample is dry
fingers crossed
Im going to chop tomorrow even with not the proper flush
there are exactly at that point even a bit more.
Had to wait for the flush and carried away.
hope didn't meshed up the trichromes
will update when the first sample is dry
fingers crossed
That last plant may be small but dang, it sure looks frosty!
