Broad Mites?

[OBSoul33t]

i stumbled across an interesting read that suggest that a biocontrol such as Bacillus thuringiensis or other species can provides a good method of control or perhaps eradication of broad mites from crops.
results claimed that these species worked best against broad mites ,B. bassiana (8bGc) was the most infective against broad mite followed by P. fumosoroseus (PfPp) and M. anisopliae (MaPs).

looking into these recommended species i found these products
http://naturalindustries.com/commercial/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=113&Itemid=106

http://www.certisusa.com/pest_management_products/bioinsecticide/pfr-97_microbial_insecticide.htm

http://www.bioworksbiocontrol.com/products/botanigard-es.php

it's worth a deeper look

the link where i found this,

Effectiveness of Entomopathogenic Hyphomycetes Towards Controlling the Broad Mite, Polyphagotarsonemus Latus (Banks) and the Red Spider Mite, Tetranychus Urticae Koch Complex

http://psasir.upm.edu.my/10679/

 

[Phillthy]

yep! that is the mark of the beast!

 

[dank.frank]

man...even seeing that makes me cringe and feel sick to the stomach...

what an evil little bugger...


dank.Frank

 

[lost in a sea]

surely ivermectin kills them!

i hate mites

 

[Zoolander]

I have a nice big fat bottle of Avid for them if I fing them ever

 

[the gnome]

Hey guys and girls....rotated avid, forbid, organicide for three weeks...pleased to report that i am finding no more BM in veg room....thats the good news...bad news is the heavy dosing nearly killed my stressed moms and youngns...i got a little heavy handed apparantly...war is hell my friends.

weekly spraying with the heavy guns isn't needed
one good spray with forbid or avid does the trick with follow up if needed in 3-4 weeks.
i sprayed the piss out of my plants and they are none the worse for it, but weekly doses of avid/forbid is way over kill as your moms are telling you

 

[indoor warrior]

Yes Gnome...I am guilty of overkill....got freaked out and abused my girls...lesson learned...A BIG THANK YOU to Gnome and Storm for all the info and contributions to this thread...will file all into the permanent record for better and worse...peace

 

[hobb3s93]

they can be saved with avid or forbid and they'll come back to where you can get cuts
if you want but times a wasting and you need to act immediately.
from the time i see the symptoms there's roughly 12-14 days
before they are trashed.
ive had plants worse than yours and they came back pretty good.
just depends how bad you want to save a keeper pheno.
if its a cut you can replace, Id start fresh and anything and i mean anything\coming into the garden gets treated for broads and PM.
its a dirty world out there these days

gnome how long would u guess it takes for a plant to go from early signs to a plant that looks like savana's? do u think i could be confusing thrip damge with early BM signs?

 

[RetroGrow]

I am really hoping that this is not what I am dealing with, can anyone tell me if it is the broad mite?

It does look like broad/cyclamen mites. You can save them though if the genetics are something you don't want to lose or can't replace. If you treat with an aspirin drench, you will see improvement overnight. The reason for this is the aspirin stimulates the plants natural immune response. The damage caused by broad/cyclamen mites results from the toxins they inject into the plants. It doesn't take many of them to cause noticeable damage. The aspirin mitigates this damage, and the results are startling. It does not kill the mites, but helps the plant fight off the effects of the toxins. 325 MG of regular (not coated) aspirin per gallon pf water will do the trick. Mix it daily with your nutrient solution, and keep it up until harvest. I have saved several crops using this method, and that's before I knew what the cause was. I was able to harvest without using any pesticides, because at the time, as I said, I didn't know the cause. Only noticeable "damage" was the loss of smell.Of course, you still have to treat with avid/forbid to kill the mites, and your whole grow space will have to be treated. But you can reverse the damage if you catch it early enough, and you can eradicate the mites using the aforementioned pesticides. Try the aspirin and you will be amazed how the plants perk up. I posted pictures of broad/cyclamen mite infested plants three years ago in the infirmary, and not one person figured out the problem. They are more common now for whatever reason, so people at least recognize the symptoms. But the aspirin was all I used at the time, and most of the damage was reversed. I always add aspirin now, as it helps against almost any disease/toxins that attack the plant. Try it and you will see a difference.

 

[sanvanalona]

Thanks so much! Are you saying that the aspirin negatively affects flavor? Have you eliminated broad mites in your room? I am cutting everything down this morning and starting over, lucky enough a buddy has some beautiful vegged plants to help me out so I am going to try to clean the room and start again, I will be loosing some awesome genetics but I guess thats the name of the game.

 

[moodster]

i tried the asprin perked them up for a day and then back to the broad mite damage looking like avid

 

[RetroGrow]

Thanks so much! Are you saying that the aspirin negatively affects flavor? Have you eliminated broad mites in your room? I am cutting everything down this morning and starting over, lucky enough a buddy has some beautiful vegged plants to help me out so I am going to try to clean the room and start again, I will be loosing some awesome genetics but I guess thats the name of the game.

No, the broad mites take the smell/flavor from the plants. Aspirin has no ill effects.
Once they are in your room, they are tough to get rid of. I recommend steam cleaning everything after disinfecting with bleach or physan. High heat kills them, so steam cleaning is your best bet to get rid of them .Problem is they are microscopic, and can be on anything, including your clothes/shoes, etc. I would not start out in the same space with a large number of plants. Try a couple and see if they show symptoms after two weeks. Problem with these bastards is they are so small, they can get into ducting and everything in your house. They will come back if not 100% eradicated. You may end up having to move to a new place. Temperatures of 120 degrees will kill them if you can get your room temp that high with space heaters, etc. All your gear has to be cleaned too. Not easy to get rid of them once they are in your room. Have you confirmed broad mites with a microscope? You need a 100X scope to see the eggs/mites.
You may end up having to move out of there if they keep coming back. They are really nasty and tough to get rid of.

 

[RetroGrow]

i tried the asprin perked them up for a day and then back to the broad mite damage looking like avid

You have to continue the aspirin throughout the grow, AND treat with Avid/Forbid. Don't stop the aspirin. Keep adding it to your nutrient solution every day. The aspirin mitigates the effects of the mites, it does not kill them.

 

[sanvanalona]

Well Retro Grow you are really messing with me now. I was under the assumption that broad mites need to be on a plant to stay alive, but if that is not the case I very well may be fucked. I am going to rip everything off, and keep temps to over 120 for the next four days, I will bleach clean again and then see if they return. I have not put them under the microscope, but this damage has become obvious as I am growing the same strains the same way that I have for years, so no nute lock out and I found out from someone else that they have got them from harborside too. How does the Avid work? Does it keep them at bay only? Do you still have broad mites? Thanks for all the help, I appreciate it very much!

 

[RetroGrow]

Well Retro Grow you are really messing with me now. I was under the assumption that broad mites need to be on a plant to stay alive, but if that is not the case I very well may be fucked. I am going to rip everything off, and keep temps to over 120 for the next four days, I will bleach clean again and then see if they return. I have not put them under the microscope, but this damage has become obvious as I am growing the same strains the same way that I have for years, so no nute lock out and I found out from someone else that they have got them from harborside too. How does the Avid work? Does it keep them at bay only? Do you still have broad mites? Thanks for all the help, I appreciate it very much!

I have sanitized my room and left it empty for six months, sanitized again, and they still came back.
Before doing anything, go to Radioshack and buy the $10 mini-microscope, and confirm visually that you have them. Easy to spot the eggs with a 100X scope. One of the problems with a place like Harborside is that they are broad/cyclamen mite vectors. If clones there have them, you can get mites on your clothes/shoes just walking in there. Being microscopic, they float on the wind, and are carried by whiteflies. I would stay away from Harborside or any location where there have been broad mites.
Avid/Forbid work, but they are very nasty chems. Must wear protective clothing. Think Hazmet. Wear gloves and eye covering when spraying. Wear a respirator/mask. Avoid breathing in the spray. This might get rid of them, but as you may have noticed, people here have done the spraying, and thought they were gone, only to find out later that they returned. That has also been my experience. I eventually moved, but they can also be in your clothing, etc., so even when moving, they can move with you.
It doesn't get any worse than broad mites as far as totally getting rid of them. They come straight from hell. They are probably being transferred from dispensary to dispensary by people buying/selling clones. Hence the epidemic. Three years ago, no one heard of broad mites. Could DEA be complicit in this?
Well, it's not paranoia if they are really out to get you.

 

[sanvanalona]

I have sanitized my room and left it empty for six months, sanitized again, and they still came back.
Before doing anything, go to Radioshack and buy the $10 mini-microscope, and confirm visually that you have them. Easy to spot the eggs with a 100X scope. One of the problems with a place like Harborside is that they are broad/cyclamen mite vectors. If clones there have them, you can get mites on your clothes/shoes just walking in there. Being microscopic, they float on the wind, and are carried by whiteflies. I would stay away from Harborside or any location where there have been broad mites.
Avid/Forbid work, but they are very nasty chems. Must wear protective clothing. Think Hazmet. Wear gloves and eye covering when spraying. Wear a respirator/mask. Avoid breathing in the spray. This might get rid of them, but as you may have noticed, people here have done the spraying, and thought they were gone, only to find out later that they returned. That has also been my experience. I eventually moved, but they can also be in your clothing, etc., so even when moving, they can move with you.
It doesn't get any worse than broad mites as far as totally getting rid of them. They come straight from hell. They are probably being transferred from dispensary to dispensary by people buying/selling clones. Hence the epidemic. Three years ago, no one heard of broad mites. Could DEA be complicit in this?
Well, it's not paranoia if they are really out to get you.

I will identify but if what you are saying is true then the only hope is heat for ? number of days. We will see. I believe this will absolutely ruin the outdoor crops this year, unless sun can kill, which do you have any experience outside with broad mites? Again thank for all the help.

 

[sanvanalona]

and could D.E.A. be responsible? Fucking eh, but a stupid move on so many different levels.

 

[RetroGrow]

I will identify but if what you are saying is true then the only hope is heat for ? number of days. We will see. I believe this will absolutely ruin the outdoor crops this year, unless sun can kill, which do you have any experience outside with broad mites? Again thank for all the help.

Outside, broad/cyclamen mites have natural predators to keep them in check. You can also buy these predators for your garden. Neosilious Californicus is one, and there is another that is mentioned in this thread that people have had success with whose name escapes me at the moment. About the microscope/loupe:you will need it to check your new starts to make sure they are mite free. Also, I would not buy or aquire any clones without first checking with a powerful loupe/scope. If you had checked your clones with a loupe originally, you would have seen the eggs on the underside of the leaves. The mites themselves are more difficult to see/find, but the eggs will be all over the place, easily identified. About the heat, you could let it go overnight. That should be sufficient. I have used 120 degree heat on live plants without harm to the plants for 45 minutes to an hour.

 

[Kcar]

Also, don't forget to check/treat the plants outside your grow.
I did a major slash and burn all around mine.

 

[truecannabliss]

Despite reading 45 day residual on Forbid i have heard people say tests have show it lasts longer. With that in mind how close to flowering would people (who use it) consider it acceptable to use?