British Scientists Claim to Have Found Proof of Alien Life

[siftedunity]

I understand what you're saying, and in your example above it would be absurd to try and hang them pictures , and here comes the "but"

...but, my point is that something "objectively real" has constraints and a certain way of being.

...if we imagine the universe as a large pizza expanding, we can see that the pizza will still have the edges.

Obviously this is a difficult topic to discuss, so I guess using analogies, while smoking weed, is the closest we will get.

you need to open your mind a little. the universe isn't as simple as a pizza with edges. the constraints you put on things are learned throughout your life on this planet. elsewhere in the universe this constraints are turned on their head. it turns out that most things perceived as impossible (to us humans) are not actually impossible.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

"The organisms probably contain DNA, supporting the notion that life on Earth may itself have extraterrestrial origins."

In other words, NO DNA HAS YET BEEN FOUND, this is life from outer space?
What a joke.

I am not against the idea that very small life could rain down on the earth from space, but life without DNA? That would be new....
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

GMT,
Are you so sure not one soul ever thought the world was flat?
Not even one of the flat earth society?
Not even a crazy man?
Really, no one? Not one out of billions of people?
That is as ridiculous as thinking the world is flat.....
Or believing there are souls.....
-SamS

No that is my exact point though. People with enquiring minds knew, others didn't consider the matter at all. No one ever believed that the world was flat. Not ever, no one, not one soul.
On the old maps it used to say, "edge of the known world" and the con artists from the flat earth society claimed that was proof. Nonsense, it was simply where they had recorded up to. Its the equivalent of today's astronomers, mapping the observable universe, and someone saying, "so there is the edge of the universe" No, it's just what has been seen so far.

 

[trichrider]

water is created when hydrogen atoms from the sun strike oxygen atoms in our atmosphere. there may be some small contribution from comets, but not enough to explain all the water on earths surface.

http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/starwater/

it's incredible arrogance to believe we're the only intelligent life when the universe/multiverse has been determined to contain billions of candidate planets with conditions hospitable to life forms.

 

[Skip]

water is created when hydrogen atoms from the sun strike oxygen atoms in our atmosphere. there may be some small contribution from comets, but not enough to explain all the water on earths surface.

http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/starwater/

it's incredible arrogance to believe we're the only intelligent life when the universe/multiverse has been determined to contain billions of candidate planets with conditions hospitable to life forms.

You took the words right out of my hands...

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"If life does continue to arrive from space then we have to completely change our view of biology and evolution. New textbooks will have to be written!

Exactly. We are all aliens. We may have evolved on Earth, but that is not where our ancestors originated. This can explain a lot of things, such as how certain types of life just suddenly appear on earth, and the wide variety of species found in extreme environments on Earth.

Things like insects must've originated from somewhere else other where our ancestors came from?

The main point is that space is FULL OF LIFE!

So instead of wondering whether life exists elsewhere, we should:
1) Respect all life that managed to reach this planet and evolve.
2) Stop thinking God created all this in six days, cause it's still being created, every day!
3) Definitely be on guard for aliens. Only vast distances keep more advanced civilizations from reaching us, if they haven't already.
4) Realize that this universe is far more complex than we know, and we are just beginning to see "the light".
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[mrcreosote]

British Scientists Claim to Have Found Proof of Alien Life

Yeah well, British scientists also claim to have found global warming too.
Had to fudge the numbers to do it, but...

Come on...these people eat beans on toast. How can you take that sort seriously?

Double credit for extra sharp cheddar cheese though. Very nice stuff.

 

[franksacul]

So if space is infested with microorganisms why haven't any of our martian probes, which are designed to test for life, found anything?

Doesn't it seem more likely that these are just another species of extreme environment earth organisms that can somehow get really close to space?

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Some people think humans are somehow different from all the other animals.

We are all aliens actually but the theory that UFOs come from Earth could certainly be true.

What is clear is that UFOs are flying around.

The stars seem a long way off but who knows if fast travel is possible.

I once met a man who sent me a telepathic message. May have told you already.

I believe aliens are here but I don't have to go to a nut house for my beliefs.

Many people believe many things and only if dangerous to themselves or others are put in a nuthouse. Hard to find a good nuthouse these days.

 

[trichrider]

Recent Breakthroughs Reveal Startling Possibility: Water is Everywhere

Posted on February 7, 2014 by Guest Author in Education, Weather // 21 Comments

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Author: Ben Davidson

In 1986, some scientists laughed as other scientists seriously pondered the existence of water on Mars. Today we know that there is ice, and even the potential for liquid water on the surface of Mars. That news made headlines, especially with the newest rover sending back close-up images and data from direct samples.

The vast majority of relevant and more-surprising information on the topic of extraplanetary water has managed to go under the radar. Additionally, breakthroughs in extreme-environment chemistry, astronomy, physics, and more have not yet been expressly interconnected to draw new hypothetical inferences about the nature of the universe, and the abundance of life.

In STARWATER, an educational documentary outlining the relevant research about water outside earth, we examine the wide range of places to find water, and why this is likely to be true everywhere. Would you believe that we have proof of water on every planet? We discovered permanent ice near the poles of Mercury, many moons of Jupiter and Saturn are icy spheres with liquid oceans beneath the surface, the centers of Neptune and Uranus are icy materials, and Pluto is mostly made of water ice.

That’s right, earth does not have the only liquid water oceans in the solar system, and Pluto is a ball of frozen water. It gets better…

We found water vapor in sunspots, in massive quantities in pre-planetary and pre-stellar nebulae, and surrounding black holes. We have even discovered some exoplanets that appear to have watery atmospheres, based on spectral emission. Surrounding our solar system, and other stars as well, we find a pseudo-shell of rocks and ice that mark the boundary of the solar wind. This icy shell explains a good deal of the water found in our solar system, and likely found in others. The solar wind has been discovered to contain nearly every known element, a startling revelation about elemental production, but it is mostly comprised of hydrogen and hydrogen ions.

Recent breakthroughs have shown that the solar wind can liberate oxygen trapped in space rocks, moons, planets, etc., and then combine with that oxygen to form water. This discovery came within weeks of another one- that interplanetary dust carries space water, and potentially, organic materials, down to all materials in the solar system. Why should it stop at our neighborhood? It shouldn’t, and neither should it stop at the solar wind characteristics of our star or its ability to radiologically create water from the rocks.

NASA has discovered that Earth’s upper ionosphere erupts enormous amounts of oxygen during impact from coronal mass ejections (CME) from the sun. This oxygen does not need to be liberated from rocks; it’s “ready to go” and has an abundance of solar wind particles in the impacting CME with which to create water.

What do these breakthroughs tell us? Our star is a raw-materials distribution center for everything touched by its solar wind. Rocky bodies are going to have water, and are more likely to have oxygen-rich atmospheres for the same reason of oxygen liberation. Those oxygen-rich atmospheres are conceivably the best method for water production in the known universe; our planet’s reaction to the solar hydrogen is to toss out a shield of oxygen.

Icy moons are likely to be prominent features around large planets as well, it is likely a matter of bad luck that one of the dozens in our own system is not warmer on the surface. However, if you are hoping to find another earth, hoping to find life outside earth, you likely will not need much luck at all.

The search for exoplanets is not only sizzling hot, but the scientists themselves seem incredulous at some of the findings. In just the last 12 months, we learned that one-sixth (⅙) of all stars in our galaxy have an earth-sized planet, and then months later, that it is actually one-fifth (⅕) of stars having the earth-sized planets… in the habitable zone.

If we use the number of 100 Billion stars in the galaxy, a common number, that’s 20 Billion chances for an earth-like rock or even a young Mars. What about the liquid oceans beneath moons like enceladus and europa? Between earth, Mars, and the dozen moons that may actually have life underground, it appears our initial guess is missing some zeros. Between planets like Earth and Mars, and the icy moons we’re likely to find, not just at sun-like stars but at all stars, we may have 500 Billion watery spheres to explore… just in the milky way.

There are millions of people around the world who not only believe that life exists outside our planet, but that evidence of that life can be found right here on Earth. It appears that the more we learn about the universe, the even stronger arguments for the existence of other life may be strictly numerical, ones of probability. Stars tend to have rocky planets like ours far more often than we could have imagined even just a few years ago, and with a bit of interdisciplinary connect-the-dots between scientific discoveries, you realize that most of those planets are going to have water and oxygen.

It would not be surprising to find that star formation results in patterned planet formation as well. If so, as the trends in observational evidence suggest, then planets like earth will be nearly ubiquitous, along with the existence of habitable moons. The STARWATER survey tells us that water is going to be everywhere, but it cannot confirm the existence of life outside our planet. This is where the evidence leaves us to draw our own conclusions about the existence of life on those worlds. It’s really the only question left; the water is not going to be a problem.

The papers, scientists, discoveries, and revelations are explored in the STARWATER series, available for members at Suspicious0bservers.org, but the research and resources to private material are always made free for everyone here.

 

[SRGB]

Interesting discussion.

The terms "life" and "alien" have not been thus far clearly defined.

Starting with the plain language:

Webster's New World Dictionary, Second College Editiion

life 1. That property of platns and animals which makes it possible for them to take
in food, get energy from it, grow, adapt themselves to their surroundings, and reproduce
their kind; it is the quality that distinguishes a living animal or plant from inorganic matter
or a dead organism.

alien 1. Belonging to another country or people; foreign.

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Curiously, water is not mentioned within the formal definition of life.

Also, note that neither space, nor outer space is mentioned within the
formal definition of alien.

--

The nearest star, by the definition of life would be considered life.
Not certain if the closest star, termed "the sun" could be considered "alien",
as it is both "foreign" and "proximal", that is, without energy from the "sun",
"life" would not be able to be sustained - for lack of "energy" from it.

In essence, all that "is" is "life".

Also, the term "alien" could be, and often is, applied to persons and "things"
both "proximal" and "distant". Some persons are often termed "aliens" when
they might be within the ever-changing "boundaries" of invisible "lines" drawn
onto a "map".

Humans themselves could be termed "alien" when they explore outside of
the "boundaries" of this planet.

As to "organic" or "inorganic", again, these terms require definition, at least
a cursory definition, when discussing their comparative "differences".

Some "rocks" are considered "organic", others may be considered "inorganic".
Unless every "rock", "meteorite" or other "object" that enters this planets' atmosphere
can conclusively be classified as "inorganic", they might also be considered "life",
and "alien".

Without attempting to include or exclude any of the above, or determine the "boundaries"
of either, it may be beneficial to simply clearly define the terms utilized to describe
these "persons", "places" or "things".

Are "astronauts" who return from a voyage outside of this planets' atmosphere "alien"?
Perhaps.

Do stars exhibit the characteristics of "life". Perhaps.

If humans can "see" the closest star, is it "foreign"?

The most important part of these questions is "who", or "whom"
makes the decisions as to the "terms" or "words" used. Can "they"
change the definitions of these terms or words at their whim? Also,
does not each individual possess the natural capacity and "gift"
to define their own "words", "terms" and phenomenon - irrespective
of what "they" might propose "is" or "is not" the definition of a "word"
or "term"?

These are not necessarily questions that any person besides ones "self"
might be able to "answer". Just considerations. Best to all.

Kind regards,
/SRGB/

 

[magiccannabus]

So are these things Thetans???? Was L. Ron right?????! Only an e-meter can tell us for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!