Breeding purchased seeds from a well know bank, to get more... seeds?

[Xanode]

I have done a search for this question but couldnt find much, i all so know next to nothing about genetics so bare with me...

Due to my location, getting seeds shipped to me is incredibly risky so i have a question about re breeding good quality seeds from a seedbank to get more....


If i buy some really good quality seeds with good genetics from a well known bank, im interested in a high CBD strain, something like CBD Crew Seeds Shark Shock. And i clone a female then hermi the clone for some pollen then pollinate the original female for some seeds, what will the resulting seeds turn out like? Will they be similar to the original seeds with the same characteristics, like high CBD? Or will they turn out different?

Much thanks for any help.

 

[Lester Beans]

If you buy Standard seeds (both male and female plants resulting) then you can grow them all together in the same area (males and females) and the results will be buds seeded with many seeds of your strain and should be a large supply.

 

[Xanode]

So feminizeing the seeds with female pollen from a clone of the original female from the first seed will produce unstable genetics/seeds?

It's just that allot of strains, especially new CBC strains come in only fem seeds.

Thanks for any help.

 

[Ru5tyNaiL]

IMO, If your after CBD you would need to get your plants tested somehow for CBD before trying to self-pollinate to get high CBD progeny. But on the case of selfing in general, you should be fine. Many people self plants and don't have problems. It just would take more work to get consistent CBD levels. When I grew CBD crew seeds they stated only around 1/4 (give or take from memory) were high CBD from seed, so you would want to select for that first. Then go about reversing a clone to self with. Eventually with some work you could see more consistent levels. Or you could just keep cloning the one you select for CBD and have consistent levels every time.

 

[Xanode]

Awesome, thanks for all the help

 

[Peaty Wheaty]

I know a bit about the joys and pitfalls of hit and miss breeding.

I was in a similar situation. I bought several high-quality strains and did an open pollination. I've been growing the beans I made for the past 5 years.

Now I'm starting again with new genetics and moving to a mother/clone system of growing.

Why? Inconsistency of quality. And yield. Sure, I got plenty of variety, but who want five different kinds of rubbish to go with their five different kinds of dank from each grow?

My advice: buy a top quality strain that suits you and make sure it is an IBL (inbred line). There is a website called **********.com and you can do a lot of strain/breeder research there and it usually notes whether or not the strain is an IBL.

I would select the best male and best female and make some beans. It's a fair bet the progeny will be pretty close to the parents and pretty consistent too.

I have a Pakistan Valley landrace indica from World of Seeds waiting to be grown out. This strain is high CBD and I'm looking forward to seeing what it has to offer. I'd be confident that any beans I made from plants coming from the original pack would be close enough to identical to the parents. But cross a three-way hybrid with another two-way hybrid and you could end up with ditch weed.

Hope this helped.

Peace

 

[Peaty Wheaty]

So feminizeing the seeds with female pollen from a clone of the original female from the first seed will produce unstable genetics/seeds?

It's just that allot of strains, especially new CBC strains come in only fem seeds.

Thanks for any help.

Only breed using plants from feminized seed if you are prepared to have hermie issues all the time.

Same for making your own female seed by forcing one of your females to produced male flowers. Believe it or not, breeders go to a great deal of trouble to ensure the females they use for pollen production are not hermies in the true sense of the word.

The chances of you blindly selecting a female to make pollen with that isn't hermie in nature might be 100/1. So, as with breeding, do this if hermie issues aren't an issue for you.

To summarize: stay clear of feminized beans and trying to produce same. Unless you get lucky, the amateur is only going to get grief.

 

[aridbud]

I'd be confident that any beans I made from plants coming from the original pack would be close enough to identical to the parents. But cross a three-way hybrid with another two-way hybrid and you could end up with ditch weed.

Not necessarily.....'ditch weed' from making hybrid's. The crosses you make are only as good as the genetics of each strain. Too, remember recessive traits.

 

[MJPassion]

Well known does not necessarily mean well breed. There's a bunch of breeders out there selling multiple polyhybrids x multiple polyhybrids that have zero stability in their lines.
There are very few breeders that put much real work into their lines. Just a lil something to think about.

I would personally, in your particular situation, not use any breeders that will not answer your questions. Hit up the breeders that you are considering purchasing seeds of and read as much info as you can on any particular variety you intend to purchase.

 

[sourpuss]

Take your feminized cbd seed. Buy a reg quality good strain that suits your style not feminized. Breed the cbd fems and the reg strain. Offspring should be similar to mendels ratios. Do your selection there in the f1 hybrids... test if possible and run clones till you know which ones r still cbd producing.... breed the cbd producing offspring.... creating higher ratios of cbd offspring.... rinse repeat.... jerk off haha... rinse? Haha anyway.... more you select properly the more you end up with high cbd offspring.... not percentage as in cbd percentage... percentage as in 99 percent of the offspring produce 5 percent cbd on avg....

 

[Xanode]

Thanks for all the great advice, i will defiantly take it all onboard.

 

[waveguide]

it's always interesting to me how many people try to complicate the issue. i understand weed is like a commodity and shit in this culture, but you're still talking about entities from the natural world. it's not like you have to put on soft music to get them to procreate. plants fuck and grow, despite the deepest wishes of some "capitalists".

ftr, having grown out around a score of "homemade" crosses, what i've observed is hybrid vigour and i guess good luck because all my crosses have been pretty dank. maybe some guys can grow a commercial strain for a few gens and turn it into cabbage, never happened here.

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

Only breed using plants from feminized seed if you are prepared to have hermie issues all the time.

Same for making your own female seed by forcing one of your females to produced male flowers. Believe it or not, breeders go to a great deal of trouble to ensure the females they use for pollen production are not hermies in the true sense of the word.

The chances of you blindly selecting a female to make pollen with that isn't hermie in nature might be 100/1. So, as with breeding, do this if hermie issues aren't an issue for you.

To summarize: stay clear of feminized beans and trying to produce same. Unless you get lucky, the amateur is only going to get grief.

so the process for finding this female to reverse is what?? just interested as i was going to reverse a couple of girls.
problem is i haven't grown the girls out before. so i,d be better sticking with one i,ve grown out to full potential several times without issue i guess? whats the process. a stable line grown for years with no hermies in it?

thanks

 

[floralheart]

depends on what you start with, and anything can happen.

try it and see what happens. i believe if you start with quality like mr. nice, archive, gage green, bodhi, etc. - people who have done lots of selection work and/or start with quality - you will be better off. don't waste the electricity on junk

 

[Xanode]

depends on what you start with, and anything can happen.

try it and see what happens. i believe if you start with quality like mr. nice, archive, gage green, bodhi, etc. - people who have done lots of selection work and/or start with quality - you will be better off. don't waste the electricity on junk

Thats why i was thinking of starting with CBD crew seeds, Mr. Nice is CBD crew, am i correct? If anyone can recommend anywhere else that has quality seeds from high CBD strains, please go right ahead

 

[floralheart]

Thats why i was thinking of starting with CBD crew seeds, Mr. Nice is CBD crew, am i correct? If anyone can recommend anywhere else that has quality seeds from high CBD strains, please go right ahead

sure is

 

[MJPassion]

Thats why i was thinking of starting with CBD crew seeds, Mr. Nice is CBD crew, am i correct? If anyone can recommend anywhere else that has quality seeds from high CBD strains, please go right ahead

Mr Nice is in collaboration with CBD Crew but they are not the crew.

CBD Crew actually works with many breeders.