Breeding for the best stimulating effect

[Carraxe]

Looking great, I have some going right now so I'm curious to try them, the thai dominant one is really quite nice not maybe extradentary but it is in the fact slow to build up toelrance over weeks, good solid strong high, not speedy not slow but good, lemony green tea flavour. Most people seem to enjoy the pheno I kept. I'm hoping the regular version is great too.

I believe these are more under the Malawi influence than it would be to desire. You'll probably enjoy better a cross between GT and a pure Thai, these are the real deal, aren't them? I'd like to smoke all of them and make a experience supported opinion.

 

[Limeygreen]

For sure, I have some of the f2s from rc colas from the original release seperated into thai and malawi lines as well to also grow.

 

[Carraxe]

In 2019 I got six regular ACE Malawi x Panama freebies and I planted them several weeks ago. I put them into 3l pots ten days ago. These MxP look like that, with their light green color, but they have a structure that's more solid than extreme sativas'. Probably some variation between them.

They are already ready for the flowering room.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

The seeds I made five weeks ago into the TAM using GT pollen are going to be ready soon. I don't think the pollination worked on the Mextiza, but these genes would be unbeatable for a faster maturation. God, Golden Tiger is real slow, and at 9 weeks it is just starting the explosive flowering.

Anyway, the GTs look gorgeous. Tall stiff spears is what they are. If I can't get the seeds with the Mextiza, I'll have to do a GT x TAM F2 to choose the fast flowering ones and keep crossing from there.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

I've pictured some Golden Tigers. The most advanced ones are 9 and a half weeks, but they will still need a lot of time, probably around 14 weeks. The looks are great, no doubt. Some other GTs are even slower.

This is the most advanced one.

This is a slower one, also at 9 and a half weeks:

And this one has been flowering for 5 and a half weeks, but also looks like very slow.

I'll keep the best of them, but right now the one I like is the fast one.
Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

A couple of weeks ago, the Thai Angola cut was also pollinated with Golden Tiger pollen, and the positive results can be seen today as swollen calyxes over different tips.

Since both Golden Tiger and Thai Angola have an important proportion of Thai genetics, it would be very nice to know which characteristics we can get in these plants, and their crosses, that come straight from the Thai side, specially regarding aromas.

I personally find the Thai Angola cut to be very interesting because of its own bitter geranium-anise aroma and its special cerebral effect. I find it very useful for breeding, but not so much for smoking, since the effect for a hard user like me is mild, and it needs something between 12 and 14 weeks. I think a S1 over that cut could be very interesting: the original Meao Thai cut Kaiki used was kind of a reference for Thai weeds, and probably the Malawi genetics in Golden Tiger have a disruptive effect over a pure Thai cerebral high.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

The Golden Tigers are nice but slow. This is a slow one at about 7 weeks, it is full of tips and measures more than a meter. I think I can harvest the "fast" one in about 13 weeks, but there are two more that look like 16-weekers.

These plants come from the 2nd generation GT. I have several 3rd Generation Thai Dominant Golden Tiger freebies but if they are going to be even slower, I don't know if I really want to grow them.

I have some flowering Malawi x Panama, specifically I have one male (that I will use) and five females. They look much better than last time I pictured them, so I'll get some pic soon.

These are most of the seeds made with the GT males and the TAM cut. There will be some more in the curing buds, but just a few. This time I didn't get as many as I thought I would get, but hopefully these will suffice.

How will these turn out? I hope the flowering time in the GT gets reduced in some way!

Sweet smokes

 

[Limeygreen]

I am just growing out some gt v2 right now but grew out 6 of the gt3 and recommend it, 14-16 weeks for me, wouldn't call it energetic but it's strong, good flavour and hard to build much tolerance to it. I have lemon tea type flavours on the cut I kept and seems to be something people like as well when I share it. Great yield and vigour too, she just stretch like a haze but fills in. Lots of resin as well.

To compared I have some gt2 that look like 10 weeks, 12 weeks, 14 weeks and 16 weeks at the moment and the gt3 I have going usually has been 14 could be around 13 or so this go around.

 

[Koondense]

GT is one of my favorites, I finished only one plant, she took 14 weeks and was a bit Thai leaning, the other was a Thai dominant stretcher and would need 16+ weeks, not a "functional" choice for indoor. Narrower leaves from the start. They were GT2, while the "Thai dom" GT3 may need longer flowering time in general, I believe there could be different and interesting expressions in the Gen3 hybrid plants as the mom comes from a different Thai line than GT2. Maybe worth a try and select in veg for broader leaves or other traits. Just a suggestion
It's interesting that GT3 is actually a F1 hybrid while the GT2 seems to be a 4 way hybrid hence more variety.

Cheers

 

[Carraxe]

Malawi x Panama freebies, exactly two weeks after light switch. These plants are bigger than they look, and these leaves are very big. They are already shooting flowers, and that's a good thing.

I don't like Malawi much, but these will be powerful.

Sweet smokes

 

[ankhori]

Malawi x Panama freebies, exactly two weeks after light switch. These plants are bigger than they look, and these leaves are very big. They are already shooting flowers, and that's a good thing.
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I don't like Malawi much, but these will be powerful.

Sweet smokes

Nice green leaf, love the structure of Malawi x Panama, lets see what they can produce in your biochemical body and brain, maybe you get some panama phenotypes

Good luck although you dont need luck
As always I have watch in your thread, is inspirational and usefull for learn breeding and directed evolution with artificial selection (human selection)

See you!

 

[Carraxe]

After just 18 days 12/12, these Malawi x Panama have started a quick and intense bloom, they look fast. I've just pollinated some branches with the pollen from the male. I'm taking more pollen for the future.

Sweet smokes.

 

[Carraxe]

These are some males from some seeds I though were too old to sprout. The cross was made with pollen from a Mextiza male and the female was the famous SSSDH OJD cut. This cross is a good example of what a failure is: the resulting plants have extensively worse characteristics than their parental plants.

The taste (in the females) is lemony, and to be fair, it isn't bad, but if compared with Mextiza's or SSSDH's taste and aroma, it isn't as good. Production isn't great, effect isn't as stimulating as Mextiza's, nor as potent as SSSDH's.

The reason I grew these was just because I wanted some pollen to pollinate a cut of White Widow, and I think the aromas can match. Also, the White Widow is under genetic depression and needs some new genes in its life stream.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

I found some seeds in the Mextiza from a pollination I wasn't confident about. That's a success, since these seeds are the reason I planted Golden Tiger in the first place.

By the way, today the Golden Tigers finish their 12th week. One of them is close to be done, while the other ones still need some time. I don't know how far I'll take them, but I need the space for other plants, so I don't think I'm going to wait for 16 weekers to properly finish.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

This is the Mextiza cut I keep. I've just pollinated it with pollen from the Malawi Panama male. The other 5 female MalPan were slightly pollinated last week and I can already spot some seeds forming, probably around a couple of dozens per plant, so I won't pollinate them again. That's enough.

These MalPan do grow a lot, and look fantastic, already showing some resin after just 4 weeks. I'll take some pics.

This Mextiza cut, on the contrary, is old and suffers from severe endogamic symptoms that are usually shown in the grow and flowering of the cut, like the extremely short pistils and deformed stems, and the scarce harvest. In spite of that, this specific cut I pictured looks great, thanks to some revitalizing organic treatments I've performed with it.

These treatments, like Vitality+ from the Dutch company BAC, are expensive but have proven they are worth what they cost in some specific situations, like the viral attack I was suffering in the last months.

Sweet smokes

EDIT. PS: I'd like to point that this specimen has been exactly 14 days at 12/12. All these pistils show how fast this plant really is. Most of the strains just stretch during the first two or three weeks of 12/12, before developing any flower, and even the fastest indicas need some time to develop such amount of flowers.

 

[Carraxe]

I've made enough of these seeds to enjoy for years. This one cross is made with extreme Sativas, so will need a lot of time, but will probably be very interesting with that much Thai blood.

There will be a moment to grow these in the near future, but I'm more interested in growing the fastest hybrids first, the ones I just made crossing Golden Tiger males with the selected cuts of Mextiza and Thai Angola x Mextiza.

I've got around a couple of dozens of seeds of TAM x GT, and about three dozens of Mextiza x GT, and some more seeds in another Mextiza plant I just cut. So everything goes well and I've plenty of material to keep working.

Sweet smokes

EDIT. I've just pollinated again the Mextiza cut with Malawi Panama pollen. This year I've crossed this cut with many sativas, and now I plan to STS it.

 

[Carraxe]

That's a nice specimen of Malawi Panama, but this is the only pic I could make before lights turn off. I'll take more as soon as I can, these plants look good. They are going to end their 6th week soon, so they are way faster than, for example, Golden Tiger.

Sweet smokes

 

[fatboysexy]

did you ever flower out those honduras seeds?

The mexican pheno of Honduras seems like it might breed well with the mextiza.

 

[Carraxe]

did you ever flower out those honduras seeds?

The mexican pheno of Honduras seems like it might breed well with the mextiza.

I grew Honduran, some years ago, yes. I just checked, these were from ACE and I ordered them in 2019. I made the cross with Mextiza but I had more interesting things to grow. I think you are right, that should breed well with Mextiza, but at the moment I found Honduran sativa was a little weak for me.

Maybe I should revisit these seeds.

 

[fatboysexy]

I grew Honduran, some years ago, yes. I just checked, these were from ACE and I ordered them in 2019. I made the cross with Mextiza but I had more interesting things to grow. I think you are right, that should breed well with Mextiza, but at the moment I found Honduran sativa was a little weak for me.

Maybe I should revisit these seeds.

Yeah, from reading the reports of others the Mexican pheno seems to let the other side of a cross shine through a lot it if not most of the time and the Mextiza, from reading your reports and others, seems to be dominant in cross's a lot of the time.

So it seems like there's a good chance that that the Mextiza terpenes and high will shine through with increased yeild, vigor and structure from the Honduras without interfering with the quality of the high.