Breeding for the best stimulating effect

[Carraxe]

These are the seeds from the back cross Thai Angola x (Thai Angola x Mextiza). I'm glad I made the pollination using mixed pollen from 5 different males, it took me some time but it was worth it: I want diversity.

I want to see if I can find some African bitter pheno. The smell of the original Thai Angola cut is anise-geranium with a bitter tone, beautiful and alarming like a poisonous snake.

Thai Angola x Mextiza cross resulted in a diverse offspring, tastier and faster, but Oaxaca's aromatic exuberance tended to conceal Thai Angola's terpenes. So I am very curious about how these terpenes will present in the back cross. Things I already forecast about that cross: best quality sativa cross, most likely a 11-12 weeker, and diversity in structures and aromas, but not that much in effects.

If I got a bitter one with a touch of Oaxaca's resin punch, I'll be very happy.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

I just cut most of the TAMs from seed at 65 days. Most of them were ready, and some started throwing some lonely bananas. The banana subject is quite rare in my grows, but this last grow I disturbed the night period several times and I guess this could be the reason.

I got some plants that were heavier producers than I expected.

I liked this specimen a lot, buds are heavy and hard and have a strong floral perfume now they are fresh.

Other specimens are fluffier and slower, I let these to get ready for another week

This is a Mextiza leaning one. Very fast, little producer. The resin, most of it made with ripe whitened trichomes, shows its grey grease under the flash.

And this is the pheno I found to be more frequent. A big producer with a tougher shape.

I'm very happy with this F1 cross. Way way faster than Thai Angola and more productive. And the best cross I've found made with Mextiza. This F1 takes what is a heavily inbreed and very unproductive weed to a new dimension where the siblings are strong, productive and very uplifting.

I'm sorry the pics aren't very good. These plants are big, more than a meter, and I had to use a ton of sticks to tie them up.

Sweet smokes

 

[bonghopper]

I just cut most of the TAMs from seed at 65 days. Most of them were ready, and some started throwing some lonely bananas. The banana subject is quite rare in my grows, but this last grow I disturbed the night period several times and I guess this could be the reason.

I got some plants that were heavier producers than I expected.

I liked this specimen a lot, buds are heavy and hard and have a strong floral perfume now they are fresh.

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Other specimens are fluffier and slower, I let these to get ready for another week

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This is a Mextiza leaning one. Very fast, little producer. The resin, most of it made with ripe whitened trichomes, shows its grey grease under the flash.

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And this is the pheno I found to be more frequent. A big producer with a tougher shape.

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I'm very happy with this F1 cross. Way way faster than Thai Angola and more productive. And the best cross I've found made with Mextiza. This F1 takes what is a heavily inbreed and very unproductive weed to a new dimension where the siblings are strong, productive and very uplifting.

I'm sorry the pics aren't very good. These plants are big, more than a meter, and I had to use a ton of sticks to tie them up.

Sweet smokes

Looking great @Carraxe, the F1 really chunked it up.
I've been loving the 'Varnish' terps from Mextiza x UEL and Mountain Gold, they smell like a tub of 'Auro, One Off Oil Wax' I used to treat the walls and floors here. They finish decent in mid Oct at 53N.
They coming through the TAM or only the TAxTAM ?

The speed of flowering of the TAM look like a great contender for northern outdoor.
Cheers,

 

[Carraxe]

Looking great @Carraxe, the F1 really chunked it up.
I've been loving the 'Varnish' terps from Mextiza x UEL and Mountain Gold, they smell like a tub of 'Auro, One Off Oil Wax' I used to treat the walls and floors here. They finish decent in mid Oct at 53N.
They coming through the TAM or only the TAxTAM ?

The speed of flowering of the TAM look like a great contender for northern outdoor.
Cheers,

These pics are from the original seeds from the Thai Angola Cut crossed with a Mextiza male. I made that cross years ago.

Could you make a nice harvest at 53N? WOW. I think the question to ask is not if these plants are fast, that they are, but the time they start flowering. There are many strains that need the same time indoors, 8/9 weeks, but they finish mid September outdoors, instead of mid October.

I have found this one needs, at 42ºN, as much time as a Jack Herer or a pure Mextiza. They are fast, but they need a lot of light limitation in August to finish as fast as a Matanuska, Black Domina or any other Indica.

I haven't many seeds now and I value them very much, but I've made a F2. I plan to make that F1 cross again, but reversing the Thai Angola female.

Sweet smokes

 

[midwestkid]

This is my mother of Thai Angola, I'll take some cuts soon. It grows thin and slender like no other, and I find the polygon-like section of the stems very specific of this one.

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Sweet smokes

thats an instant classic picture of your cat!

 

[Carraxe]

I've already tested the bud of the plants I got crossing the Jack Herer with some TAM males. I had just two female plants, so I can't really make a definitive conclusion, but based in that limited experience, I found the smell to be somewhere in the middle of both strains, intense bittersweet lemon with a floral background. Not as sweet as Jack or Mextiza. Delicious.

But I have also to say that these two specimens were extremely similar in several characteristics to their grandma Mextiza. They grew a lot and were extremely fast, that I like, and they were very poor producers, that I don't like at all.

I'll give them another chance, but before that I'll grow the female seeds I just made with a selected specimen of TAM and reversed Jack Herer pollen. The same cross, but in the opposite direction. TAMxJH instead of JHxTAM.

Maybe the result will be better, or very different. You never really know with genetics, but the use of feminized seeds will make the thing much easier.

 

[Rgd]

Thai Angola Cut crossed with a Mextiza male. I made that cross years ago.

and how was the high..regarding happy/creative/energetic /euphoria vs sedation?

 

[Carraxe]

and how was the high..regarding happy/creative/energetic /euphoria vs sedation?

It is the best weed I've ever had regarding effect and taste. I made a selection years ago and I keep a specimen, but I grow some from seed from time to time.

Everything is in this thread: pictures of the the TAM grows, harvests, the selection process...

 

[Carraxe]

I just put some Golden Tiger and other sativas into flower. I'll use the Golden Tiger males to cross with the Mextiza, of course, and maybe with the TAM too. I've read they are really slow to flower, I hope I get the patience needed.

 

[Carraxe]

By the way, the weed from the plants grown from the cross between the Jack Herer cut and some TAM males resulted to be very aromatic and tasty, but totally NOT stimulating. They are like a Jack in effect, they are aromatic and strong, but they are not the kind of high I seek. They also produced very little, so before I grow them again (that I'll do) I'll grow the reciprocated feminized cross, TAM (selected Mextiza-leaning cut) x Jack Herer (pollen from STS)

I hope to be luckier this time! I'll have to wait some months for that, these seeds are still too fresh to grow.

 

[Carraxe]

I've just pollinated a TAM cut with some mixed pollen from these five Golden Tiger boys. In coming days I'll pollinate a Mextiza cut and maybe a Thai Angola one. I haven't made a Mextiza F1 cross in a while and I miss it.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

The pollination seems to have worked in the TAM. These pistils were white two days ago, and now they are bright orange.

Seeds will be Golden Tiger x Thai Angola Mextiza. These plants will probably be very strong.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

Just another couple of Golden Tiger males. I've topped them, but anyway they branch as dense bushes and distance between knots is short. I've measured some and I've found most to be 5 cm or less.

They look good, vital and very much into the sativa extreme of the spectrum. I've got some flowering females and they are slow, but some of them are starting to develop nice flowers and resin at 6 weeks.

For comparison, I've got some Malawis flowering simultaneously and I'm impressed, these Malawis are much faster and resinous than the last time I grew them from seed. I got quite disappointed some years ago by a bunch of regular Malawis that just produced low quality, low resin, unproductive untasty weed at 10/11 weeks. But this thing is absolutely different, they shine with resin and they are full of flowers at 6 weeks. Also, these aren't as vital as Golden Tiger, so it could be that the effects of both selection and endogamy are starting to show.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

Today I discarded this female Golden Tiger. It is even slower than its 4 sisters and after 6 weeks 12/12 it hasn't shown many flowers, or any resin. If I had more space I'd try to properly grow and left to mature this one, but now I'm working with too many things in my tents and I have to make decisions. This one also didn't look specially healthy and showed some overfert symptoms.

Anyway, I still have 4 female GTs to choose for the best one. Also, I've used 5 GT males to pollinate Mextiza and TAM, and I keep some frozen pollen, and some male cuts just in case there is any problem with pollination.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

My tent is a fucking jungle with too many big plants from different strains mixed. A crazy work. Still, I managed to take some pics of the ACE ladies, these are now at 7 and a half weeks.

This first one is A Golden Tiger. These are, no doubt, the slowest ones. Very thin and tall spears, very nice sativa structure. Looks a little overfert.

This one is a Guawi. I've got three of them but this one stands out for its bud shape. It recalls the shape of the RIRI Sour Diesel cut, that I lost years ago. The other two plants are resinous and fast too. This plant has a lot of scars in the leaves, after an episode of unknown illness. I think I'll have to use some silica.

The last ones are a couple of feminized Malawis. Fast and resinous with a strong hybrid structure. I am impressed since the last experience I had with regular Malawis years ago was disappointing, and now I am not disappointed at all.

Sweet smokes

 

[Limeygreen]

Which version of the golden tiger is that?

 

[Carraxe]

Which version of the golden tiger is that?

The current normal one. Not the Thai dominant one. But they look like they need 12-14 weeks. Malawis and Guawis look like they'll be ready at 10 weeks

 

[Carraxe]

I just harvested some TAMs after 8 weeks and a half, time enough for these to be ready. This time I put them into flower when the cuts were still tiny, so this time they were easier to manage. Anyway, they spread all around, that's why I had to use that corner for support, but every plant made quite a lot of tips. Little production anyway, but these hard buds and the unbeatable effect and flavor pay for it.

I took this one outdoors to try to make a decent pic. It shows the same features as the people that spend too much the time indoors... lack of color, lack of vitality, and a white shine under the sun. The smell is very very attractive, and it's got nothing to do with usual weed smell, like White Widow or Skunk smell.

I want to cross this ultrafast and stimulant sativa with several long flowering ones. I just made the cross with some Golden Tiger males and my objective is to grow and select between the F1s, and then dig into the F2 to find the specimens that match the best effect and flavor.

Sweet smokes

 

[bonghopper]

I just harvested some TAMs after 8 weeks and a half, time enough for these to be ready. This time I put them into flower when the cuts were still tiny, so this time they were easier to manage. Anyway, they spread all around, that's why I had to use that corner for support, but every plant made quite a lot of tips. Little production anyway, but these hard buds and the unbeatable effect and flavor pay for it.

I took this one outdoors to try to make a decent pic. It shows the same features as the people that spend too much the time indoors... lack of color, lack of vitality, and a white shine under the sun. The smell is very very attractive, and it's got nothing to do with usual weed smell, like White Widow or Skunk smell.

I want to cross this ultrafast and stimulant sativa with several long flowering ones. I just made the cross with some Golden Tiger males and my objective is to grow and select between the F1s, and then dig into the F2 to find the specimens that match the best effect and flavor.


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Sweet smokes

Great work, your Tam selections are paying off, would love to see that crossed to a semi auto to get it outdoors ; )

 

[Limeygreen]

Looking great, I have some going right now so I'm curious to try them, the thai dominant one is really quite nice not maybe extradentary but it is in the fact slow to build up toelrance over weeks, good solid strong high, not speedy not slow but good, lemony green tea flavour. Most people seem to enjoy the pheno I kept. I'm hoping the regular version is great too.

The current normal one. Not the Thai dominant one. But they look like they need 12-14 weeks. Malawis and Guawis look like they'll be ready at 10 weeks