Breeding for the best stimulating effect

[Carraxe]

Some pictures of the TAM (Thai Angola x Mextiza) #27 after 5 weeks 12/12. These are terrible pictures, but I couldn't do better and lights just turned off.

I've made some digital zoom on them to get a closer view of all this resin they are growing over and under the leaves.





I've also cut the four selected plants pollinated with the last Mextiza male I had, 6 weeks after pollination. There will be nice seeds out of there.

Sweet smokes

 

[aliceklar]

Great thread, love what you are doing.


Was wondering how you choose males, when moving a project on a generation - do you smoke the males to test them or just go for the healthiest plants that smell or look the best?

 

[Carraxe]

Great thread, love what you are doing.


Was wondering how you choose males, when moving a project on a generation - do you smoke the males to test them or just go for the healthiest plants that smell or look the best?

I've already answered this same question in a long post, probably on this thread or the previous one (linked in the first post of this thread). Have a look and you'll find it easily.



Thanks for the kind words.

 

[aliceklar]

Hi Carraxe - I couldnt find anything specific and detailed about your principles of selecting males in this thread or the previous one, but I've read a few more of your recent threads (all educational btw - I am inspired by your work!) and found this in the Taskenti thread:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The only way to really know what a male delivers is to grow his children.

There is an alternative way consisting in let them flower and analyze the bud structure, the resin, smell, production, whatever, and make conclusions.

Any of these options needs a lot of time and resources. I don't have time for any of that. For the first step I just cull all the males I don't like (unhealthy, slow, mutant, asymmetric, etc).

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Then I look for strength. Color. Smell. Branches, symmetry, health, good behavior, harmony, beauty. And, most than anything, diversity. So I usually end up with several full flowering males, and I use all of them. Look at them: I've already culled the ones I didn't like and I've got a lot."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If I had time and space I would keep cuttings of all the males until I had had a chance to evaluate their offspring - but yeah life isnt like that eh? I think I'm moving to a similar approach - either selecting for the healthy male plants that look and smell good, or using all the males if I'm trying to maximise diversity and only culling obvious runts or unhealthy plants.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Again, thank you for sharing this journey. I'm new to growing weed, but it is great to learn from more experienced growers like yourself.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Peace AK
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[Thesearch]

Hey! In my search I have made a list of candidates for stimulation/energy in breeding. I hope it helps. Love the thread and keep searching!

Ace's mauritius x ethiopian
"Cerebral effect with no ceiling, speedy, euphoric and trippy, physically energetic. Of moderate duration and with a very clean comedown."

Ace's green honduras haze
"Very stimulating effect, both physically and mentally, completely clean, that invites conversation, expansiveness and activity. Of moderate duration and initial power, but of great quality and without ceiling or tolerance limits, taking you higher and higher reaching the sky without restraint. When the effect fades it does not leave any kind of mental or physical heaviness numbness."

Ace's Kerala Gold
"Cerebral and very energetic, will easily replace morning coffee"

Ace's kerala chellakutti
"Extremely strong energy boost, Uplifting, very clean effect."

Ace's zacateca tribute
"Cerebral, very up! No ceiling, social, slightly trippy, creative, reflective, no burnout on come down."

Ace's kullu
"The effect is strong and very cerebral: soaring High, psychedelic and energetic."

Ace's Burma Myanmar
"Cerebral, very energetic and psychedelic."

Greenhouse's Hawaiian snow
I dont have a good quote, but heard a couple folks here say it was one of the most psychedelic/stimulating strain they have tried and is only 10 weeks finish

French Touch Seeds K1/"Kalite Tizane"/zamal
I dont think I need to say anything about zamal. zamaldelica is a great strain too.

 

[Carraxe]

Some pictures from my lovely ladies TAM #25 and #27 at 9 weeks, the only ones I grew this cycle. Very resinous. The #25's stem broke when I was handling her. The stems are really slender, but still stronger than Mextiza's.








There were some little differences between these plants, so I don't know yet which one of the four I selected I'll keep at the end. I'll need plenty of smoking experiences to make such an important decision.

Enjoy life

 

[Pejota]

Great Thread, nice work

 

[Carraxe]

The pollination I made some time ago using the last Mextiza males I had has been a success. It means that there will be many seeds from the backcross Mextiza x (Thai Angola x Mextiza).

These are just the seeds I had to go through just to make a couple of joints out of the TAM #27 I harvested 6 weeks ago. These plants are heavily seeded, so there will be plenty more seeds from the four different plants I selected.





TAM #3 and #27 were the most mextiza-like of the bunch. I guess this cross will get nice and strong plants, very similar to the Mextiza, with a better genetic pool.

TAM #15 and #25 were somewhere in the middle between Mextiza and Thai Angola.

Let's see what we get from them.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

I've got now TAM #3, #15 and #25 flowering together at 5 and a half weeks. After last experience growing #25 and #27 I made some conclusions, #25 appearing to be more aromatic than #27, that was my preferred plant until now.

So I still keep the four plants and I love each of them. It will be difficult to choose a winner.

This is just a branch of #3. This plant is the shorter and bushier of the bunch. I'll try to get a full picture but i believe that if I move her much, she'll collapse.



This is #15. Grew like a monster and produced a triple tip that looks great. I show the full plant, the top and a lateral branch.




I'll keep posting as soon as I have something new to show.
Sweet smokes.

 

[Carraxe]

These are the TAM #3 and #15. #3 is short, full of branches and is closer to get ready, while #15 still needs a couple of weeks. The smell of that one is great, bitter, similar to Thai-Angola's but stronger.

8 and a half weeks.

#3




#15




Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

This is Thai Angola Mextiza #25. This one makes some good spears, as most of them do.

These plants need two or three more weeks than Mextiza to mature, but they produce quite more also.

Now I've grown all selected four plants at the same time, I'll be ready to decide which one to keep. Right now I am tempted to keep a Thai Angola leaning one because of the strong bitter aroma (#15, #25) but I'll have to wait until a proper cure to compare.

It would be a dream to see these plants growing outdoors, maybe I'll give them a chance, but they are made for a different weather.






Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

Just some pictures of dried Thai Angola Mextiza #27 buds. The biggest ones are already gone. I'll try to make some pictures of a couple of plants I have at 9 weeks, they are lovely.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

Just some pics of one of the Thai Angola Mextiza at 7 weeks. I love the structure they have, but they aren't the easiest thing for indoors. I'd really like to see one of these sativa beasts outdoors in a proper climate zone.

Enjoy your smoke

 

[unregistered190]

They do have a nice structure! What do you feel makes them hard.to run indoors?

 

[Carraxe]

They do have a nice structure! What do you feel makes them hard.to run indoors?

Yes, they are beautiful sativas. Their height doubles any indoor hybrid I've got. They grow a lot and there is need to manage all these spears before there is a mess in the grow room.

There are many reasons why people like hybrids and squat indicas for indoors, and the structure of these slender sativas is one of them.

I believe that these plants would be very difficult to grow under HPS. Fortunately, I'm using COBs, that reduces stretching.

 

[Carraxe]

I've just harvested some TAM #15. This time I let them to flower for more than 9 weeks, in fact they are two days short to 11 weeks. What I've experienced is that for some reason they had a new explosive flower growth, so they kept growing and growing flowers with no signs of maturation. If the smoke was great at 9 weeks, I believe this is going to be even better. Production increased a lot as well.

I'm sorry I didn't take the pics before harvest, so the plants are upside down and the pictures aren't very nice. But they show the size of the buds. There is something magical with this resin, I've got this aroma in my hands and I'm hypnotized with it.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

Several days ago I planted some seeds made with frozen male Mextiza pollen and the four selected F1 (Thai-Angola)xMextiza plants, and the sprouts are starting to appear over the surface.

This back-cross is the last attempt to get viable seeds showing the best characteristics of the Mextiza strain, that is extremely endogamic and under the risk of its definitive disappearance. The result of this work will depends on the quality of the male I used and also on the genetic dominance of the characteristics I look for: lemon-honey aroma, fast maturation and stimulating happy effect.

It is a promising cross, after several failed crosses and combinations that have ended in failure along the last seven or eight years. In these years I've learnt that isn't that easy to save a strain with its genetic pool impoverished.

Let's see what happens now.

Sweet smokes

 

[Naindejardin]

I’m glad you’re still at this project. I’ve been following a while and it sounds like you’re almost there. That mextiza sounds tasty, I hope you don’t lose it.

 

[Naindejardin]

Hopefully the mextiza male was a good specimen, I think being such an IBL there’s a chance to have a genetic bottleneck of lackluster traits. for homogeneity of good traits. Keep up the posts!

 

[Carraxe]

I've been busy and this thread was neglected, but I'm still working. I've found some seeds in the fridge that were very satisfying to grow and smoke, it was a cross I made several years ago (2015) between a Mextiza male that happened to be very good, and an old school Jack Herer elite clone from the 90s.

These are some pictures from the 2016 harvest. The result was very limey, even more than Mextiza, although the JH was varnish smelling. And VERY strong. Let's see how healthy they are after these years.

I've planted some more than a dozen, let's see if they are still healthy
Sweet smokes