Breeding for CBD

[sbeanonnamellow]

So you want to start with a group of seeds that don't breed true for high CBD/low THC and cross them with a high THC strain to develop a high CBD strain?

I can't see what could possibly go wrong.

The idea would be start CBD rich varieties and have them tested.
After testing, select the actual CBD rich specimens to proceed with. Outcross with non CBD rich varieties for saught after traits like flower structure and desired terpene profiles. Test prognency.

This isn't for making into a new seedline. That would be dope, but that's not the immediate goal. It's for finding plants with unique effects in terms of THC to CBD ratios and with morphological charisteristics and terpene profiles that aren't in the original CBD rich seeds. For example, a cali-o orange smelling skunk haze (haze leaning) growing CBD rich plant or a juicyfruit smelling laos growing CBD rich plant.

I'm not even sure what ratio(s) are preferred, but with sampling and testing to dial things in and sort what's what. Might be an 8:1 ratio or a 4:1 maybe it's the one with the orange terps or the one with the leather couch in an antique shop that puts incense in the air. The best two lines I found, unless there are better suggestions, are MNS/CBD crew Therapy and another variety by them that's basically a worked version of itself they call Ghandi. The former is less stable, the latter is said to be stable for no THC or very minimal THC values we could asssociate with "hemp". I just want to be able to CBD'ize stuff.

Got a grip of TRSC stuff with some CBD rich types, same idea, pool the CBD rich types together after testing for cannabinoid ratios/terpenes. Proceed from there with outcrossing. Open to critique and advise. Much love

 

[Switcher56]

There are many components to the plant. Canabinoids, canabidiols and terpenes which are you fragrance but, also stimulates appropriate receptors etc... My suggestion is to gather as much info on their inter-relationships. IMHO/E, I have found very little here, with good reason. Medicinal cannabis is in its infancy and, truthfully it is not simply breeding this one with that one. It is more complex than that and as previously mentioned, balance is one of the most important factors. I gues the Q that should be asked is... what are you trying to treat?

 

[Klompen]

Is there any compound that counteracts CBD?? I'm just wondering because every time I have tried to use CBD I found it doesn't feel like its doing anything at all. I am an extremely heavy medical user, but CBD strains feel like ditch weed to me. Is there a variety that doesn't feel like someone put real weed on mute?

 

[Breadwizard]

I have a personal cross with a similar intended goal: a balanced (ish) THC/CBD ratio, with nice effects and smell/taste. I started with a known and tested clone (a 2:1 CBD:THC Afghani plant called "Guava Jelly), and crossed it with a relatively balanced but not stabilized hashplant landrace (Syrian from RSC).

The Syrian has a wonderful incense-y peach aroma, and jumps around with it's cannabinoid ratios (like most field grown hash lines). The F1s have been grown out and open pollinated, and are currently curing as clones grow out seedlessly. I'm not sure how the F1s smoke yet, but they are surprisingly similar in aroma (tropical fruit, with more or less spice) and form, with some small morphological differences in the leaves, stature, and resin level. I'm guessing the F2s will have much more varied cannabinoid ratios, but I'll deal with that when I run through them.

 

[Switcher56]

Is there any compound that counteracts CBD?? I'm just wondering because every time I have tried to use CBD I found it doesn't feel like its doing anything at all. I am an extremely heavy medical user, but CBD strains feel like ditch weed to me. Is there a variety that doesn't feel like someone put real weed on mute?

Try some ACDC. It will rock your boat. I feel the tingling throughout my body, with a nice cerebral high. ACDC is 20:1

I will be breeding it with Harle Tsu to make me some Ringo's Gift.

<<The potency of this strain is outrageous, but maybe not in the way you are anticipating. THC levels only reach about 1%, with CBD skyrocketing into double digits with ease. Several phenotypes of this plant are available, making her numbers vary depending on what you find. These airy and light buds are mint green with bright orange pistils and super frosty trichome coverage. Hash and mint will dance along your tongue and in the air around you, creating a classic and fresh experience.

While it sounds as if Ringo’s Gift isn’t strong enough to do much for you mentally, user results are rather surprising. Many note that this strain is popular in the club scene in Barcelona as it provides mental focus and energy along with a physical relaxation that’s anything but heavy. Your mood will soar and socialization becomes easy during your high, allowing you to make friends fast and keep the drama far away from you.

This much CBD is obviously a goldmine for medical cannabis users, therefore making Ringo’s Gift a true gift in your life. Inflammation and bodily pain are very quickly soothed as your mind receives her cannabinoids with ease. Mental concerns including anxiety, stress, and depression also tend to dissipate as well, leaving you in a place of peace and openness for whatever comes your way. Although it’s not an overly energetic strain, Ringo’s Gift is recommended for daytime use.>>

 

[djonkoman]

The endgoal would be to make some CBD rich plants anywhere from 1:1 CBD:THC all the way up to as high as 20:1 CBD:THC with added traits from THC rich specimens that are more widespread and available.

For example, terpene profiles in THC rich plants that aren't as easily found in CBD rich varieties and combining the two looking for CBD types with the smells and scents of the THC rich plants.

Keeping it super simple, something super blueberry smelling but CBD rich instead of THC. Something very orange and citrus smelling from cali-o or tangie or something like that put to a CBD variety and looking for the CBD rich types that smell of citrus and oranges. More focused on the terpene profiles than other attributes but also interested in things like flowering time, flower shape, ect.

Much love

since you don't care that much about the ratio as long as it's high in cbd, I would go for the full cbd, not 50/50(still some trace thc, but mostly just cbd). since that would be easiest to breed.

I'd see if you can find a way to do easy testing at home. in this case you don't need precise %, you just need enough rough info that you can see whether a plant is mostly cbd, mostly thc or somewhere around 50/50. I don't know what the testing options are really, but I've seen some where you just had to run a fluid on a piece of paper, I think that might be an easy cheap way to do it at home. as long as it gives you the ratio it's sufficient, no precise % needed. but there maybe better ways.

take your desired thc plant you wish to take traits from, pick a cbd variety. technically anything would do, even fiber hemp. however since you have other traits to think about too I'd pick something that does not add too much negative traits. i.e. crossing with fiber hemp might ruin the resin content in the progeny.

however, since the conversation above talking about one of those cbd varieties having '50-75%' cbd plants, that sounds a lot like those seeds were produced by crossing 2 50/50 plants, or selfing a 50/50 plant. maybe they did not realiise 50/50 ratio does not inherit stable. that will result in segregation with the classic mendelian ratios(25% pure thc, 25% pure cbd, 50% 50/50), which would nicely match their 50-75% claim.

so if that's the case, to make the breeding a bit easier I would look for a pure cbd one to use in your cross, and discard the 50/50's. (and ofcourse the pure thc ones, since those won't even pass on the cbd gene).

then your f1 wll be a 50/50 ratio(well, not exactly, it may go to 2/3-1/3 too, but at least somewhere around 50-50), and in the f2 you should again find 25% pure cbd(*not considering trace thc).

you could also do further backcrosses against the thc parent, since you'd only theoretically need 4 plants to find one pure cbd(in the bc-f2), you don't need huge numbers of plants to find it. just time.

if you want 50/50 you can also easily make that if you've got the pure cbd line, it will just never stay stable 50/50 in the next generation. but you could make a 50/50 generation and take clones.

 

[Klompen]

Try some ACDC. It will rock your boat. I feel the tingling throughout my body, with a nice cerebral high. ACDC is 20:1

I will be breeding it with Harle Tsu to make me some Ringo's Gift.

<<The potency of this strain is outrageous, but maybe not in the way you are anticipating. THC levels only reach about 1%, with CBD skyrocketing into double digits with ease. Several phenotypes of this plant are available, making her numbers vary depending on what you find. These airy and light buds are mint green with bright orange pistils and super frosty trichome coverage. Hash and mint will dance along your tongue and in the air around you, creating a classic and fresh experience.

While it sounds as if Ringo’s Gift isn’t strong enough to do much for you mentally, user results are rather surprising. Many note that this strain is popular in the club scene in Barcelona as it provides mental focus and energy along with a physical relaxation that’s anything but heavy. Your mood will soar and socialization becomes easy during your high, allowing you to make friends fast and keep the drama far away from you.

This much CBD is obviously a goldmine for medical cannabis users, therefore making Ringo’s Gift a true gift in your life. Inflammation and bodily pain are very quickly soothed as your mind receives her cannabinoids with ease. Mental concerns including anxiety, stress, and depression also tend to dissipate as well, leaving you in a place of peace and openness for whatever comes your way. Although it’s not an overly energetic strain, Ringo’s Gift is recommended for daytime use.>>

Thanks man. I was super excited when CBD started being legally available in my state, but then I tried a few different types of it and practically nothing. The best was Respira oil, but even that didn't do what I hoped. I'm a long time heavy medical user. I basically don't eat if I don't smoke, and I hurt everywhere. CBD seemed perfect according to what I was reading and yet I found the benefits mild at best. I felt so left out of the big new CBD trend. I'll look in to getting my hands on a stronger sample.

 

[alpo]

Thanks man. I was super excited when CBD started being legally available in my state, but then I tried a few different types of it and practically nothing. The best was Respira oil, but even that didn't do what I hoped. I'm a long time heavy medical user. I basically don't eat if I don't smoke, and I hurt everywhere. CBD seemed perfect according to what I was reading and yet I found the benefits mild at best. I felt so left out of the big new CBD trend. I'll look in to getting my hands on a stronger sample.

you prefer oils over 'hemp' flower ?

 

[Switcher56]

Thanks man. I was super excited when CBD started being legally available in my state, but then I tried a few different types of it and practically nothing. The best was Respira oil, but even that didn't do what I hoped. I'm a long time heavy medical user. I basically don't eat if I don't smoke, and I hurt everywhere. CBD seemed perfect according to what I was reading and yet I found the benefits mild at best. I felt so left out of the big new CBD trend. I'll look in to getting my hands on a stronger sample.

Although each body chemistry is different e.g Cw (Charlotte's Web (no THC)) aggravates the shit out of me. You might want to try Harlequin for pain as well as ACDC. I have said on numerous occasion, you need a certain amount of THC to make CBD work properly.OTOH, I have talked to many who want both high THC and high CBD. It simply doesn't work that way.

 

[aridbud]

If your goal is to breed for one Cannabinoid be prepared to get laboratory testing done to verify things.

Or at the very least, TLC testing.....DIY test kits.

 

[aridbud]

Although each body chemistry is different e.g Cw (Charlotte's Web (no THC)) aggravates the shit out of me. You might want to try Harlequin for pain as well as ACDC. I have said on numerous occasion, you need a certain amount of THC to make CBD work properly.OTOH, I have talked to many who want both high THC and high CBD. It simply doesn't work that way.

Yeah, Switcher, I'm Back.....it does. It's time consuming to find the right plants, but YES, it does.

We have 3 photoperiod hybrids that are 1:1 CBD:thc around 15-18% each. I personally like it as it has the necessary CBD to be mobile, motivated and the cerebral/body buzz of thc. When I just want pain relief, I take CBD capsules we make from various CBD Hemp strain we've hybridized ~18-22% CBD <0.3% thc.

We used Donatello 20:1 for our CBD and crosses, recrossed with a Critical strain from a friend in Spain (known since first going to W. Europe in 2002). Another was Juanita La Lagrimosa/Brazilian strain we had as an auto and had it return to semi-photoperiod/auto (not reintroducing recessive gene to keep ruderalis in check). Again, Donatello pollen. Last one are 2 Critical strains.

 

[Lolo94]

Panama Red CBD by Bob Hemphill is a nice sativa CBD. Gives you plenty of energy but calming at the same time (assuming that is the CBD effect). Real pleasant and upbeat without the paranoia or erratic energy some other sativa's produce. Not a burnout strain either for those who don't like indica effects

 

[Klompen]

you prefer oils over 'hemp' flower ?

My favorite really is blunts(hemp wrap though). I have a really quality vape, but I almost never use it.

 

[Klompen]

Although each body chemistry is different e.g Cw (Charlotte's Web (no THC)) aggravates the shit out of me. You might want to try Harlequin for pain as well as ACDC. I have said on numerous occasion, you need a certain amount of THC to make CBD work properly.OTOH, I have talked to many who want both high THC and high CBD. It simply doesn't work that way.

Perhaps that is why CBD here sucks so bad; they don't allow even trace THC in it. I have always found sativas to be the most medicinal overall(especially haze strains), but I am not sure what the magic in them is exactly. Maybe its that right mix of THC and CBD

 

[aridbud]

Perhaps that is why CBD here sucks so bad; they don't allow even trace THC in it. I have always found sativas to be the most medicinal overall(especially haze strains), but I am not sure what the magic in them is exactly. Maybe its that right mix of THC and CBD

CBD doesn't suck. The minimal thc you get in CBD Hemp is part of the "entourage effect" you get with BOTH thc and CBD to help manage symptoms.

Terpenes are invaluable in regards to taste, if smoking.

For a little bit of background, hemp is defined in the legislation as the cannabis plant (yes, the same one that produces marijuana) with one key difference: hemp cannot contain more than 0.3 percent of THC (the compound in the plant most commonly associated with getting a person high). In short, hemp can’t get you high. For decades, federal law did not differentiate hemp from other cannabis plants, all of which were effectively made illegal in 1937 under the Marihuana Tax Act and formally made illegal in 1970 under the Controlled Substances Act—the latter banned cannabis of any kind.

It’s true that hemp policy in the United States has been drastically transformed by this new legislation. However, there remain some misconceptions about what, exactly, this policy change does.

There's significant, shared state-federal regulatory power over hemp cultivation and production. Under section 10113 of the Farm Bill, state departments of agriculture must consult with the state’s governor and chief law enforcement officer to devise a plan that must be submitted to the Secretary of USDA. A state’s plan to license and regulate hemp can only commence once the Secretary of USDA approves that state’s plan. In states opting not to devise a hemp regulatory program, USDA will construct a regulatory program under which hemp cultivators in those states must apply for licenses and comply with a federally-run program. This system of shared regulatory programming is similar to options states had in other policy areas such as health insurance marketplaces under ACA, or workplace safety plans under OSHA—both of which had federally-run systems for states opting not to set up their own systems.

In Europe, the thc limit I believe is <0.2% thc.

 

[Klompen]

I'm not exactly sure why or how he implemented it, but our governor here decided that even 0.3% THC was too much. All oil here has to have 0% measurable THC or they can arrest you over it. It started under our last governor technically, but the current gov is even more insistent about it.

 

[regseeds]

Perhaps that is why CBD here sucks so bad; they don't allow even trace THC in it. I have always found sativas to be the most medicinal overall(especially haze strains), but I am not sure what the magic in them is exactly. Maybe its that right mix of THC and CBD

I think so, I had a 8%cbd 4%thc - 2:1 whole plant extract, that had me poleaxed for 4-6 hours which was great. I have tried some other high "CBD" low thc variety's that were extremely dull (wouldn't try again).

Dr Dedi Meiri papers are quite interesting he said two plants with 20:1 cbd to thc are not the same. There is a varying degree of smaller cannabinoids without names yet that make vast differences. His lab run huge batch of data on it. He left terpenes out the equation

The old method works best in this regard, you find a clone that ticks the majority of the boxes. Keep it alive for as long as you can < in the same environment.

 

[Switcher56]

Yeah, Switcher, I'm Back.....it does. It's time consuming to find the right plants, but YES, it does.

We have 3 photoperiod hybrids that are 1:1 CBD:thc around 15-18% each. I personally like it as it has the necessary CBD to be mobile, motivated and the cerebral/body buzz of thc. When I just want pain relief, I take CBD capsules we make from various CBD Hemp strain we've hybridized ~18-22% CBD <0.3% thc.

We used Donatello 20:1 for our CBD and crosses, recrossed with a Critical strain from a friend in Spain (known since first going to W. Europe in 2002). Another was Juanita La Lagrimosa/Brazilian strain we had as an auto and had it return to semi-photoperiod/auto (not reintroducing recessive gene to keep ruderalis in check). Again, Donatello pollen. Last one are 2 Critical strains.

PLease don't quote me out of context again

CBD doesn't suck. The minimal thc you get in CBD Hemp is part of the "entourage effect" you get with BOTH thc and CBD to help manage symptoms.

Terpenes are invaluable in regards to taste, if smoking.

For a little bit of background, hemp is defined in the legislation as the cannabis plant (yes, the same one that produces marijuana) with one key difference: hemp cannot contain more than 0.3 percent of THC (the compound in the plant most commonly associated with getting a person high). In short, hemp can’t get you high. For decades, federal law did not differentiate hemp from other cannabis plants, all of which were effectively made illegal in 1937 under the Marihuana Tax Act and formally made illegal in 1970 under the Controlled Substances Act—the latter banned cannabis of any kind.

It’s true that hemp policy in the United States has been drastically transformed by this new legislation. However, there remain some misconceptions about what, exactly, this policy change does.

There's significant, shared state-federal regulatory power over hemp cultivation and production. Under section 10113 of the Farm Bill, state departments of agriculture must consult with the state’s governor and chief law enforcement officer to devise a plan that must be submitted to the Secretary of USDA. A state’s plan to license and regulate hemp can only commence once the Secretary of USDA approves that state’s plan. In states opting not to devise a hemp regulatory program, USDA will construct a regulatory program under which hemp cultivators in those states must apply for licenses and comply with a federally-run program. This system of shared regulatory programming is similar to options states had in other policy areas such as health insurance marketplaces under ACA, or workplace safety plans under OSHA—both of which had federally-run systems for states opting not to set up their own systems.

In Europe, the thc limit I believe is <0.2% thc.

Are you trying to tell us that terpenes doesn't' do diddly in the medicine outside of taste? Light a lavender (Linalool) candle 30 min prior to going to bed and tell me it doesn't do diddly. That was discussed in the "terpenes thread".

You are a breeder, kudos. You have years of experience and I will not question that. "Buddy's" Q (a novice) wants high CBD high THC and it must taste good. It is not as simple as that!

 

[Klompen]

Invaluable = very valuable. Just so you know....

 

[aridbud]

PLease don't quote me out of context again ...........How juvenile!! CALM DOWN! Let's go back VERBATIM what you wrote:

........ I have talked to many [who are you talking to besides yourself???] who want both high THC and high CBD. It simply doesn't work that way.

And my response......[yes, you can have BOTH CBD/thc for relief, entourage effect]Yeah, Switcher, I'm Back.....it does. It's time consuming to find the right plants, but YES, it does.

Terpenes, at least some create a relaxing sense, appetite, other effects.....thinking Switcher may need a change from his touted Harlequin. That's a good strain. We have an ANODYNE with Harlequin/Sunshine Day Dream x Sour Tsunami hybrid. It's another (testing through TLC) ~1:1 .

Harlequin alone, is approximately 75% sativa, although it lacks the characteristically strong cerebral sativa high due to the mitigating presence of CBD. The standard ratio of CBD to THC in Harlequin is 5:2. Cannabis lab Analytics 360 has measured samples of this strain at between 4% to 10% THC and 6% to 15% CBD.