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Bogus Vape Cartridges Linked to Outbreak of Pulmonary Problems, Hospitalizations

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Over the past weeks, dozens of people across several states have experienced serious lung problems, even requiring hospitalization. In many of these cases, illicit market dab carts may be to blame


The federal Centers for Disease Control have opened an investigation into a mysterious wave of severe pulmonary problems across several states over the past weeks — principally in the Midwest, principally affecting young people and seemingly linked to vaping.

The CDC announced its investigation in a
statement Aug. 17. It noted that “94 possible cases of severe lung illness associated with vaping were reported in 14 states from June 28, 2019, to August 15, 2019.” Wisconsin has been hit the hardest, with 30 cases reported. The CDC is also working with local health authorities to try to get to the bottom of the phenomenon in Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota and California.

Local doctors are, in most cases, not clear on what the victims had been inhaling. Wisconsin health officials said that “[t]he products consumed could include a number of substances, including nicotine, THC, synthetic cannabinoids or a combination of these.”

The North Carolina Department of Health also reports three cases in the state, and has
issued a recommendation that consumers of vaping products stop using them while authorities investigate.

“We know there are certain characteristics in common with these cases, but we have not been able to get to the bottom of exactly what aspect of the vaping habit or product or solvent or oil is causing the injury,” Dr. Emily Chapman, chief medical officer for
Children’s Minnesota, a pediatric health system headquartered in Minneapolis, told NBC News.
Prohibition is Part of the Problem

JUUL also emphasized that some reports indicated patients had used THC, “a Schedule I, controlled substance that we do not sell.” While noting the issue of unregulated knockoff products, the statement echoed prohibitionist assumptions: “We also must ensure illegal products, such as counterfeit, copycat, and those that deliver controlled substances, stay out of the market and away from youth.”

Yet, once again, prohibition may actually be a big part of the problem. In one of the states where the grisly incidents have been reported, California, vape pens are available on the regulated market. But in most of the rest, they are not — certainly not in Wisconsin, where the greatest number of such cases are reported.

The laws governing cannabis extracts
vary from state to state. And in states where marijuana is still illegal, vape pens are popular thanks to their relative lack of smell and resemblance to cartridges containing nicotine. But, by definition, the cartridges are not regulated by any authority in these states.

In a particularly strange irony, many of these potentially dangerous knockoffs are apparently being produced in China for the American illicit market, making this a case of Chinese capitalism exploiting American prohibition.

Chapman told NBC that the four teens admitted to Children’s Minnesota all arrived with what staff originally assumed was a bad respiratory infection, such as pneumonia. This was ruled out when instead of getting better with treatment, they got worse.

“They have progressed to have significant difficulty with their breathing and increasing lung distress,” Chapman said. “They’ve ended up needing our intensive care unit and in some cases assistance with their breathing.”

Physicians in the other states report similar situations. “All patients reported vaping prior to their hospitalization, but we don’t know all the products they used,” Andrea Palm of the Wisconsin Department of Health Services told the NBC affiliate in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

One such unfortunate patient is Dylan Nelson, 26, of Burlington, Wisconsin. He began feeling sick after taking a few hits from a new vape cartridge. The next morning, he went to the hospital and his condition continued to deteriorate throughout the day. By evening, his lungs were filling with fluid and doctors had to put him into a medically induced coma. He has since been discharged and is slowly recovering. His brother, Patrick DeGrave, told NBC that Nelson bought his vape cart off the street — not from a reputable shop.

DeGrave got to what may well be the root of the problem: “People will buy them from the states where it is legal and they’ll bring them back to states such as Wisconsin where it’s not legal,” he said. “You don’t know if you’re buying something from a middle man that picked it up from a dispensary or if you’re buying it from somebody who has tampered with it and made their own mixture.”

Manufacturers of vape carts filled with cannabis distillate are facing something of a crisis as the market has been
flooded with counterfeit products. These contraband knockoffs are apparently fooling many <g class="gr_ gr_36 gr-alert gr_gramm gr_inline_cards gr_run_anim Punctuation only-del replaceWithoutSep" id="36" data-gr-id="36">consumers,</g> but may contain toxin-laden and adulterated substances. Industry voices are urging buyers to beware.

Producers of e-cigarettes have, of course, been quick to distance their products from the dab carts, although e-cigs face controversies of their own. As
Ars Technica notes, their proponents argue that vaping nicotine is significantly safer than smoking cigarettes, and can even help smokers kick their habit, But some companies have faced harsh criticism over charges that they are marketing their products to teenagers, contributing to what the FDA has called an “epidemic of youth e-cigarette use.”

JUUL Labs, the top U.S. e-cigarette producer (which has been censured by the FDA for its marketing practices), said in a statement to Reuters: “These reports reaffirm the need to keep all tobacco and nicotine products out of the hands of youth through significant regulation on access and enforcement.”
Experts Recommend Herbaceous Cannabis

In an exploration of the controversies around vaping, Healthline interviewed Dr. Jordan Tishler, a Massachusetts medical cannabis specialist. Tishler urged those who choose to vape to use the safest method possible. “Not all vaporizing is the same,” Tishler said. “I recommend vaporizing the whole cannabis flower. The little pen-shaped vaporizers that have become very fashionable and use cannabis oil should be avoided.”

Tishler warned: “The cannabis in those devices is most often thinned with propylene glycol or polyethylene glycol. Neither of these are safe to heat and inhale. There are alternatives for patients who find loading a conventional vaporizer with ground cannabis is too much for them. I’d recommend looking into a pod-based device.”

Pods, unlike vape pens, are reusable, and generally made out of better material — although this appears to concern what the device itself is made of, rather than the extract or distillate it is filled with.

But the fundamental paradox is this: In states where cannabis prohibition still reigns, herbaceous bud is of course not legally available, which is why some who wish to imbibe turn to cartridges in the first place.

TELL US, have you ever felt sick after using a vape pen from the illicit market?
https://cannabisnow.com/bogus-dab-carts-hospital-pulmonary-coma/
 

RaZoR!

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Unfortunately, greed has got a hold of people. The carts on the black market are essentially the hand me downs that wouldn't pass in shops. They are often cut with terpenes, PG, VG, liquidizer, thickening agents, and even synthetic cannabinoids to stretch the profits. There are even stories of people getting fake ones in legit shops.

The less informed are basically becoming the guinea pigs for these carts.
 
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PG is probably safer than mineral oil based terpenes, or whatever the hell is in that shit. Who know's what's really going on but something toxic is in those carts for sure. Maybe it's coconut oil, i hear that's not good for the lungs. Someone is making some shitty cartridges whatever the hell it is.
 

DemonTrich

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Please dont categorize all bm cart makers in the "scam" catagory. I take pride in my lab tested CLEAN distillate and Terps (only 2 things in my carts).

Also, most of your knockoff carts FAIL for heavy metal contamination.
 

Weird

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One of the chemicals that is predominant in these carts is the active ingredient of eagle20
 

Tudo

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One of the chemicals that is predominant in these carts is the active ingredient of eagle20





Wow, is this similar to like a scaled down agent orange and if so......when does the first deformed fetus come as a result of this garbage? Possible?


Boy oh boy, thousands of years we have this gift from G-d and it's not good enough for some apparently.
 

armedoldhippy

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just as contamination of cocaine & heroin was inevitable in pursuit of higher profits, so too shall rip-offs occur with cannabis. already seeing high-CBD buds being sold as weed here... $24 eighths of CBD buds go as $55 eighths of " it's OG man, no shit!" :moon:
 

CaptainDankness

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Crazy, I knew there was going to be something bad about those cartridges. My state is flooded with knock off vapes that say they are from California but you can buy them packages and cartridges from China.



Seems like half the weed sales have gone to those shitty cartridges. Someone had this one cartridge that tasted like grape soda, definitely not a cannabis terpine. Lol, not too mention a lot of them are probably only like 20% THC. Even seen one that was almost clear.
 

EsterEssence

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I heard on the news that they are trying to link thc to the problem. They just started making these nicotine carts with peg/pg/vg not having a clue about what it would do to your lungs when you inhale large clouds of vapor, and who if anyone is doing the quality control.

Demon, sounds like you are doing the right thing but I have to ask, what are the terps derived from, and what is the carrier are the in.
 

superx

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Do folk vape those carts through e cigs, I didn't think the two was related. I was thinking e cigs was for nicotine..
 
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I have procured a couple of the Dank Vape cartridges locally. I’m not in a legal state but I presume they are legit. I have found out you can buy fake packaging on eBay though. I used it a couple times and wife likes it more sometimes because it seems like it’s got decent levels of THC but the buzz is relatively short to compared to smoking quality weed. In cases where she doesn’t want to have a couple hour long buzz. I’m not a fan but I see the niche.
Now I need to find a way to verify the source as being a original vendor not fake. We have not seen any ill effects.
 

Ringodoggie

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The fakes I have seen don't have any info on them like a bar code and lot number and license number. The legal ones I saw did.


Is that accurate across the board.








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DemonTrich

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Unfortunately that's not a good way to telling it's legit or fake.
I can order direct to the manufacturer the packaging, and include any type of barcode, laser etching on empty carts, or qr codes.

It's too easy to do the fake way. Hopefully ones conscience and morals play a role more than greed.
 

armedoldhippy

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I heard on the news that they are trying to link thc to the problem.

this is what i've been worried about RE these vape cartridges. all it would take to start a counter-revolution & shove the cannabis movement backwards is a real health threat with a bogus link to weed.
 

T_B_M

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I've been following this since I make my own cartridges. They started figuring out that when you "cut" the pure THC distillate with SAFE cutters such as plant based terpenes, etc. the oil turns a little runny when diluting too much. So you can only cut it 6-10% with "safe" thinners, otherwise any more would cause leaks and bad performance. I use "safe" in quotes because nothing is known to be 100% safe due to the lack of knowledge and testing done on vaping.

Well fast forward a couple years, now these greedy black market bastards found vitamin E acetate and who knows what else to use to hide the fact its cut with thinner and appear to be high quality. I witnessed it in my area. The carts looked thicker and not runny, but still not very potent at all. I get a buzz off 1-2 hits of my 90% oil, using the street carts it takes 5 or 6 hits. Ridiculous. Basically they are 75% bad thinners to 25% distillate. GREAT FOR PROFITS!!! I only make my own oil carts since I can't trust the illegal market here. Ethanol wash and an evaporation process will leave you with pure oil, then just thin it out a little with natural terpenes. There are companies that sell hemp derived terpenes even.

So its not vaping that is bad, its the shady mofos that decide making money over quality product is more important to them. Just more ammo for legalizing and regulating the products for safety, unfortunately the media did a good job of confusing the public on the subject, as usual. Now it appears as though THC is the culprit, lmao. Stupid media.
 

Ringodoggie

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Yeah, I make my own vape carts as well. I don't even use THC distillate. I put smack or PCP or crack or whatever is cheap in mine. Toss in some motor oil for that "honey" color look and my customers love them.

Who is to say these carts even have THC in them. I can drum up some PCP or MDA in my lab a lot cheaper and easier than distilling cannabis.

I understand legitimate carts undergo a certain scrutiny. But, the street carts could have anything in them.






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bigAl25

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Anyone have experience with Chronic carts? I have a half finished Bacio Gelato and a full Balaberries marshallows. Boxes look legit with THC CBD percents and barcodes, but I'm in a non legal state and purchased from trusted dealer so far(15 years). Taste great, but I get higher from flower. They claim it's all organic on the box.
 

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